Senate Bill 5 Targets Collective Bargaining for Elimination!

• sleeper

  

  Bigdogg;693361 wrote:I work in the 3rd sector douchebag. So you think that there are no doctors, lawyers, investment bankers, and engineers in the public sector? Shows how much you know. There are as probably as many lawyers in the public sector as there are in the private. Ever heard of a public hospital?

  
  I guess there are exceptions to every rule. I will admit that I am wrong, will you?
• QuakerOats

  LJ;693435 wrote:Rule #1
  
  1. No personal attacks (including name calling) on other posters.

  
  
  But what if they really ARE one .... like Ty Webb for instance .........
• Prescott

  If you want to see what teachers make in your area, click this link and search.
  
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• Bigdogg

  LJ;693434 wrote:How can it be selective when you straight up call someone a douchebag?

  
  Definition:
  Douche bag, or simply douche, is considered to be a pejorative term. The slang usage of the term originated in the 1960s.[5] The term usually refers to a person, usually male, with a variety of negative qualities, specifically arrogance and engaging in obnoxious and/or irritating actions, most often without malicious intent.
  
  I have sent examples of others doing the same on here to Justin several times. Nothing is ever done. It's all a big game to you. I may as well play along
• LJ

  

  Bigdogg;693472 wrote:Definition:
  Douche bag, or simply douche, is considered to be a pejorative term. The slang usage of the term originated in the 1960s.[5] The term usually refers to a person, usually male, with a variety of negative qualities, specifically arrogance and engaging in obnoxious and/or irritating actions, most often without malicious intent.
  
  I have sent examples of others doing the same on here to Justin several times. Nothing is ever done. It's all a big game to you. I may as well play along

  
  No you haven't. And if you want you can just get banned. I don't really care either way. Not many other people seem to have this problem, yet you have since the site came online. Interesting
• LJ

  

  I think Public employees should start researching the defunct NSPS that the DoD was going to use if they want a feel on how things would most likely work
• Bigdogg

  LJ;693478 wrote:No you haven't. And if you want you can just get banned. I don't really care either way. Not many other people seem to have this problem, yet you have since the site came online. Interesting

  
  Not going to argue but I have and really don't care either way. You seem to be on some power trip with this whole thing. You want to make this forum a conservative circle jerk go ahead. I told you once you want to ban me do it. Lots of other places to go.
• LJ

  

  Bigdogg;693748 wrote:Not going to argue but I have and really don't care either way. You seem to be on some power trip with this whole thing. You want to make this forum a conservative circle jerk go ahead. I told you once you want to ban me do it. Lots of other places to go.

  
  Yep, I'm on a power trip by enforcing the rules that have been in place since Nov 2009
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Bigdogg;693748 wrote:Not going to argue but I have and really don't care either way. You seem to be on some power trip with this whole thing. You want to make this forum a conservative circle jerk go ahead. I told you once you want to ban me do it. Lots of other places to go.

  
  Don't cry to the mods if you can't hold your own intellectually on here. This isn't Kos or the DU -- people actually have brains here and use them to logically refute the kool aid you've been slurping.
• Bigdogg

  Writerbuckeye;693945 wrote:Don't cry to the mods if you can't hold your own intellectually on here. This isn't Kos or the DU -- people actually have brains here and use them to logically refute the kool aid you've been slurping.

  
  Good example here LJ
• LJ

  

  Bigdogg;693986 wrote:Good example here LJ

  
  Where did he call you a name?
• Bigdogg

  LJ;693989 wrote:Where did he call you a name?

  
  People who think this is not a personal attack must be idiots
• LJ

  

  Bigdogg;694003 wrote:People who think this is not a personal attack must be idiots

  
  Why don't you just follow the rules that are set or go somewhere else? They aren't going to change, my modding style has been the same since I became a mod on this site and it isn't going to change either/
• bigkahuna

  I think it would be interesting to know how many anti-union people on here who are saying that etb,Gblock,... have been brain washed by the OTA "Liberal Propaganda" drive around or agree with the bumper sticker from the UAW about Foreign Vehicles.
  
  Is this more of a personal vendetta of sorts or are you truly anti-union in both working sectors because of ideological differences?
• CenterBHSFan

  

  bigkahuna;694012 wrote:I think it would be interesting to know how many anti-union people on here who are saying that etb,Gblock,... have been brain washed by the OTA "Liberal Propaganda" drive around or agree with the bumper sticker from the UAW about Foreign Vehicles.
  
  Is this more of a personal vendetta of sorts or are you truly anti-union in both working sectors because of ideological differences?

  For myself, I used to belong to a union - AFL-CIO. I know firsthand that they can hurt you just as much as they ever could help you. The union(s) tend to cut their nose off to spite their own faces too many times. I also think that they have outlived their usefulness, as I and many others have stated repeatedly.
  I don't know if ideology (I'm guessing you mean political ideology) has so much to do with it. I mean, I'm sure it could for SOME people, but in the main... nah. After all, there are even liberals for this bill, not just conservatives.
  
  I mean, it's kinda ballsy at this point to ask for job security (among other things) when the people who have to pay for it have none of their own and are barely scraping by, don't ya think? That has nothing to do with political affiliation.
  
  I don't know why unionization was even brought into the public sector to begin with, but I guess somebody thought it was a good idea.
• jmog

  bigkahuna;694012 wrote:I think it would be interesting to know how many anti-union people on here who are saying that etb,Gblock,... have been brain washed by the OTA "Liberal Propaganda" drive around or agree with the bumper sticker from the UAW about Foreign Vehicles.
  
  Is this more of a personal vendetta of sorts or are you truly anti-union in both working sectors because of ideological differences?

  I have many family members who were/are in the UAW. Even so I will tell you that its the uaw in the last decade that has drove GM and Chrysler and nearly Ford into the ground. So yes I am anti most unions (I hate to say all or never about anything )
• QuakerOats

  What is fact is that everywhere unions have been, there is now wreckage and desolation ......... it took about 60 years for the dismantling of the steel industry, 50 years to buckle the auto industry, 40 years to cripple airlines, 30 years to ruin education, and now 20 years to break municipal and state governments.
  
  How any leader from any union could ever hoodwink another group of workers is a God damn mystery to me.
• bigkahuna

  I'm not saying that I am pro or anti-union.
  
  I think it would go a long way to remove the forced thing. I don't think it's right to pay union dues if you don't want to be apart of it/receive the benefits of it.
  
  The unions still have a place in the work force I believe to an extent but not for the same reasons as they originally created. I agree a lot of them bully employers today. I have family that works for Ford in Detroit. They enjoy the benefits of the union but tell me horror stories of people clocking in and leaving for 1/2 the shift to go to the local bar and come back at the end of the shift to clock out or playing video games in the office when there were labor disputes....
• Writerbuckeye

  

  QuakerOats;694073 wrote:What is fact is that everywhere unions have been, there is now wreckage and desolation ......... it took about 60 years for the dismantling of the steel industry, 50 years to buckle the auto industry, 40 years to cripple airlines, 30 years to ruin education, and now 20 years to break municipal and state governments.
  
  How any leader from any union could ever hoodwink another group of workers is a God damn mystery to me.

  
  Just because it needs repeating.
  
  Seriously, how many organizations can claim the ruination of so much?
• pinstriper

  bigkahuna;694012 wrote:I think it would be interesting to know how many anti-union people on here who are saying that etb,Gblock,... have been brain washed by the OTA "Liberal Propaganda" drive around or agree with the bumper sticker from the UAW about Foreign Vehicles.
  
  Is this more of a personal vendetta of sorts or are you truly anti-union in both working sectors because of ideological differences?

  I am anti-union as a whole, and I am conservative. However, I can understand how/why private unions exist and accept that they have the right to bargain with a private company that choose to use thier labor. I am totally against Public unions because it's just not logical to have them. You shouldn't be able to negotiate any kind of wage/benefit with polititians that your union dues help to elect, and the money agreed to pay for these negotiations is coming from someone other than the one negotiating (which in lamens terms means the taxpayer, not the polititian that's agreeing to the the deal). Public Unions go against all reasoning as to why they even exist...I guess that's why FDR warned way back when that they shouldn't be legal/allowable...and he was the biggest social engineer out there.
• mella

  I think it is obvious that for the same reasons unions were started, now they are becoming as bad. Capitalism originally exploited the workers, unions formed, and now many unions have squeezed out too much from the Capitalists (or taxpayers).
  
  The market will adjust to new rules for teachers, police, firemen, etc.....It might take a few years, but it will happen. Not surprisingly we have gone beyond moderation.
  
  A good point was brought up, should anti-union people buy from only non-union stores and companies? Let your dollars speak for you in places where your political vote cannot.
• pinstriper

  mella;694199 wrote:I think it is obvious that for the same reasons unions were started, now they are becoming as bad. Capitalism originally exploited the workers, unions formed, and now many unions have squeezed out too much from the Capitalists (or taxpayers).
  
  The market will adjust to new rules for teachers, police, firemen, etc.....It might take a few years, but it will happen. Not surprisingly we have gone beyond moderation.
  
  A good point was brought up, should anti-union people buy from only non-union stores and companies? Let your dollars speak for you in places where your political vote cannot.

  
  To answer your last question, yes. An example is my father. He is retired now, but was a manager for P&G in the early 90s out west. He went through labor negotiations with the Long Shoremans Union. They brought in the national head of the union to do the talking and the guy sat across the table from my dad and told him "You guys have it all wrong...you come in here thinking these guys work for you...no, they work for us (the union), we just assign them to your business." He was speaking of P&G employees at my dad's plant. WHat the hell kind of thing is that for a Union Boss to say? But that's how they view it. My Dad always bought American - cars, electronics, everything. A week after that meeting his eyes were opened and he sold his Corvette, my mom's Chevy and the family Dodge van...bought a Toyota Camry, and an Infiniti and never looked back.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  I tend to buy the best/cheapest I can find. That almost guarantees it won't be union made.
  
  As far as cars go, I support my home state and have been buying Hondas for over 20 years.
• bigkahuna

  ^^^My family thanks you.
• centralbucksfan

  LJ;691784 wrote:How are they protected in the private sector? They get fired. they get sued. Not quite sure what you think happens in the private sector, but I have a friend that is a manager at Chase and tells me all the time about people getting fired for bad performance all the time.

  
  And I personally know of teachers who have been fired as well. When the administrators do their jobs correctly, the union cannot, nor do they "protect" bad teachers. You like many are buying into the bullshit that is out there.