Senate Bill 5 Targets Collective Bargaining for Elimination!

• imex99

  

  CenterBHSFan;690187 wrote:Why have your union dues gone up? What extra service are you getting out of the union to warrant their dues going up?

  
  Getting raped by the state.... Allowing them to keep taking benefits and nothing in return! Once you lose it, your never getting in back!
• O-Trap

  

  imex99;690592 wrote:Getting raped by the state.... Allowing them to keep taking benefits and nothing in return! Once you lose it, your never getting in back!

  
  If the state were to do that, they'd be losing teachers by the hundreds every month. They'd eventually have to shut down schools. They'd get their own funding cut. They'd lose their jobs.
  
  And they know this. They know it's not AT ALL in their best interest to strip all compensation away to the bare bones. If they did what you're afraid of, they'd be committing occupational and financial suicide ... and they know it.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  O-Trap;690605 wrote:If the state were to do that, they'd be losing teachers by the hundreds every month. They'd eventually have to shut down schools. They'd get their own funding cut. They'd lose their jobs.
  
  And they know this. They know it's not AT ALL in their best interest to strip all compensation away to the bare bones. If they did what you're afraid of, they'd be committing occupational and financial suicide ... and they know it.

  But hey! The "higher ups" in the union are getting more money in their pocket! The more money they have, the better off the public union worker is, eh?
  
  ::: SHM :::
• bonelizzard

  WebFire;690456 wrote:Probably, yes. But it would be more productive for public employees too.

  Yes it would. But you won't catch this public employee doing it.
• bonelizzard

  no comments on my collective bargaining piece on my post?
• Fab4Runner

  

  bonelizzard;690689 wrote:Yes it would. But you won't catch this public employee doing it.

  Lol! ernest and gblock post during the day on here (which I have no problem with since I am sure it's during their free time) and they are public employees. Likewise, I post during my free time. My work does not suffer and my boss has no complaints.
• LJ

  

  bonelizzard;690698 wrote:no comments on my collective bargaining piece on my post?

  
  Why are you so scared of having to negotiate things yourself? Is it because the union is the only thing you have known your whole professional life?
• mvred

  

  Private school teachers have their own retirement system set up and it is definitely not thru the State of Ohio.
• fan_from_texas

  imex99;690592 wrote:Getting raped by the state.... Allowing them to keep taking benefits and nothing in return! Once you lose it, your never getting in back!

  
  Getting raped?
• O-Trap

  

  fan_from_texas;690852 wrote:Getting raped?

  
  I don't know why, but I lulzd.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  mvred;690814 wrote:Private school teachers have their own retirement system set up and it is definitely not thru the State of Ohio.

  
  What is it called? Is STRS through the state? I feel stoopid asking that.
• LJ

  

  ernest_t_bass;690872 wrote:What is it called? Is STRS through the state? I feel stoopid asking that.

  
  State Teachers Retirement System
• dwccrew

  

  wkfan;689959 wrote:I understand the differences in terms of hours....again, it is all relative.
  
  As far as school debt, that is a choice that a law student makes. If they don't want to incur the debt, then either choose another field or find another way to pay for it.

  My point wasn't that they don't want to incur debt; my point was the reason they make large starting salaries (which you made a point to compare teching salary with an attorney salary) is because they go to school and have massive amounts of student loan debt. If firms didn't offer large salaries, they wouldn't attract the best lawyers from the best schools (which are expensive). Teachers don't make as much because they are not in as high demand apparently. Simple economics.
  

  wkfan;689959 wrote:BTW....very few districts offer tuition assistance. My wife, son, daughter-in-law, 3 nieces, sister-in-law and son's girlfriend all paid for their master's degree out of pocket. Not one taxpayer dollar went toward their tuition, supplies, etc. Very comparable.

  I could list all the teachers I know that HAVE had their Master's paid for by the district they work in, it is anecdotal evidence. Just because the people you know haven't had it paid for doesn't mean it still doesn't occur in many districts.
  
  All you need to do is a little research through Google and you can find a lot of Ohio school districts that reimburse. It's unfortunate that your relatives didn't work in districts that didn't offer this, but I guess that was their choice to work in those districts. Here is a few articles related to tuition assistance that I found just by googling:
  
  http://www.ohio.edu/careers/students/manage/images/TRC-Org-List-1-28.pdf
  
  http://www.springboro.k12.oh.us/files/resources/tuition.pdf
  
  http://www.das.ohio.gov/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=WNVmTUL6jrI%3D&tabid=462
  
  http://www.das.ohio.gov/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=A%2B7kGW7LCe8%3D&tabid=427
  
  http://www.tygerpride.com/page.cfm?p=1797
• ernest_t_bass

  

  LJ;690934 wrote:State Teachers Retirement System

  
  eye is stoopid.
• Con_Alma

  mvred wrote:Private school teachers have their own retirement system set up and it is definitely not thru the State of Ohio.

  ernest_t_bass wrote:What is it called? Is STRS through the state? I feel stoopid asking that.

  LJ;690934 wrote:State Teachers Retirement System

  
  Wasn't he asking what the retirement system the private schools have is called along with whether STRS is provided through the State?
• ernest_t_bass

  

  DW - Our district has a $24,000 pool each year for teacher education (Masters). It is distributed amongst 50-60 teachers (don't know exact number). District will reimburse up to 9 credit hours, but it is all divided equally. Your reimbursement amount depends on how many teachers are in the pool at any given year. I've been lucky the past few years, as there are few teachers taking Masters right now.
  
  The administrators, however... They have a pool of like $50,000 (don't quote me) for 5 administrators to further their education.
  
  Statement: The problem with paying for education is that it is EXTREMELY top heavy!
• Con_Alma

  ernest_t_bass;691153 wrote:...
  The problem with paying for education is that it is EXTREMELY top heavy!

  I tend to agree with this. I don't believe there needs to be administration at each school system. I think regions could be established and administered from that perspective. Even a county wide system could be run more efficiently. City and local school systems are not necessary to be ultimately efficient.
• Gblock

  if they go to merit pay imagine the cost of evaluating each teacher each year and who would be responsible....the principal hardly has time to do the evaluations of about 1/3 of the teachers now. imagine if they have to evaluate everyone. they could spend the whole year doing evaluations easily. and how much would that cost
• LJ

  

  Con_Alma;691152 wrote:Wasn't he asking what the retirement system the private schools have is called along with whether STRS is provided through the State?

  
  It's pretty obvious that stating that STRS stands for State Teachers Retirement System is answering the question of if STRS is through the state.
• Con_Alma

  LJ;691194 wrote:It's pretty obvious that stating that STRS stands for State Teachers Retirement System is answering the question of if STRS is through the state.

  
  Uhhhh, so obvious that it wasn't the point of my post. It's the first part of the sentence that has the emphasis on it.
  

  Wasn't he asking what the retirement system the private schools have is called...

• LJ

  

  Con_Alma;691199 wrote:Uhhhh, so obvious that it wasn't the point of my post. It's the first part of the sentence that has the emphasis on it.

  
  and I was obviously answering his question about STRS.
  
  State Teachers Retirement System
• Con_Alma

  Yes, we can see that. Why further clarify that based on my solicitation of whether you or anyone knows the name of the retirement plan for the private school teachers as has been claimed?
• LJ

  

  Con_Alma;691207 wrote:Yes, we can see that. Why further clarify that based on my solicitation of whether you or anyone knows the name of the retirement plan for the private school teachers as has been claimed?

  
  Why do you keep directing it towards me when I have no idea?
• bonelizzard

  LJ;690715 wrote:Why are you so scared of having to negotiate things yourself? Is it because the union is the only thing you have known your whole professional life?

  
  no school today. just thought I'd fire that in there. not scared to negotiate things myself. I've been a team player all my life and thoroughly enjoy strength in numbers.
• Con_Alma

  LJ;691209 wrote:Why do you keep directing it towards me when I have no idea?

  
  Since you responded to part of ernest's question I thought there may be a chance you knew the rest or maybe you were just jumping at pointing out the "obvious" part first. Thanks for letting me know you don't. I thought it was worth a shot.
  
  It isn't limited to just you but anyone. Maybe mvred can answer it since he initially stated they have their own retirement system.
  
  I don't believe there is such a system in place but I don't know. I believe each private school teacher has the ability to contribute to a 403b if the private school is non*-profit but I don't believe that there is a retirement system in place for said employees. It would be interesting to know.