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Senate Bill 5 Targets Collective Bargaining for Elimination!

  • O-Trap
    Gblock;690100 wrote:well it was a litte more than a masters...it is a principal liscence. 15 classes at 1200 a class plus books\

    it broke down as 10 classes gets u the masters
    5 more classes if you want the principal liscence

    i am taking the praxis this summer which is over 300 dollars to take.

    Liscence?

    License?

    I would have chalked it up to fat fingers, but you did it twice. :D
  • Gblock
    O-Trap;690119 wrote:Liscence?

    License?

    I would have chalked it up to fat fingers, but you did it twice. :D
    woops sorry
  • O-Trap
    Gblock;690132 wrote:woops sorry

    I'm just teasing you. ;)
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    derek bomar;690037 wrote:One of my best friends has been out of law school for 2 years and is right now clerking...he's I think about ready to give up and just try and do something else. Luckily, his gf is one of the lucky law students who has a six-figure income to start, but they both have over 100k in debt, so it's not like they're rolling in cash.

    Also, my sisters dbag ex bf is in law school now and I couldn't be happier knowing he's going to have a shit load of debt and no way to pay it back (my money is on him not getting his dream Sports Agent Job)

    Sounds like your buddy's girlfriend has a nice opportunity, hope she makes the most of it. But aside from the total bullshit salary reports in US News (which was BS when I graduated, and that was when the economy was great), it is misleading to young people who see that and think it is a job for life. They see the average starting salary of $85,000 and think that this is the lowest they will ever make - assuming they find an employer, but in reality it is a short-term gig if you get "Lathamed" or "perma-deferred" which has happened to a lot of people in the '08-'10 classes.

    Not to completely hijack the thread, but our collective debt burden is unsustainable, and one of the biggest culprits is higher education. I graduated in '99 paying out of state tuition of approximately $19,800 and lived in a farmhouse with 3 roommates with $250/month rent each. Currently it is $47,500 for tuition alone and $67,700 estimated for books and living expenses.

    This will turn into a crisis, it isn't a question of "if" but one of "when".
  • Gblock
    Manhattan Buckeye;690153 wrote:Sounds like your buddy's girlfriend has a nice opportunity, hope she makes the most of it. But aside from the total bullshit salary reports in US News (which was BS when I graduated, and that was when the economy was great), it is misleading to young people who see that and think it is a job for life. They see the average starting salary of $85,000 and think that this is the lowest they will ever make - assuming they find an employer, but in reality it is a short-term gig if you get "Lathamed" or "perma-deferred" which has happened to a lot of people in the '08-'10 classes.

    Not to completely hijack the thread, but our collective debt burden is unsustainable, and one of the biggest culprits is higher education. I graduated in '99 paying out of state tuition of approximately $19,800 and lived in a farmhouse with 3 roommates with $250/month rent each. Currently it is $47,500 for tuition alone and $67,700 estimated for books and living expenses.

    This will turn into a crisis, it isn't a question of "if" but one of "when".
    and the real tragedy is these basically fake @ss for profit colleges that take anyone, charge a rediculous tuition and give you a degree that isn't worth the paper its printed on. they leave people with thousands in debt with no way to pay it back and they evenually default
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    I'm not referring to the University of Phoenix or any other "for profit" colleges, I'm referring to non-profits that are just as bad. To my knowledge there are no "for profit" law schools accredited by the ABA. But non-profits like Golden Gate or New York Law School (not to be confused with New York University Law School) have degrees that are just as worthless. The "for profit" angle is a smokescreen IMO....just another boogeyman that traditional education attempts to make into a villain when the are just as bad.
  • Gblock
    Manhattan Buckeye;690170 wrote:I'm not referring to the University of Phoenix or any other "for profit" colleges, I'm referring to non-profits that are just as bad. To my knowledge there are no "for profit" law schools accredited by the ABA. But non-profits like Golden Gate or New York Law School (not to be confused with New York University Law School) have degrees that are just as worthless. The "for profit" angle is a smokescreen IMO....just another boogeyman that traditional education attempts to make into a villain when the are just as bad.

    there are some good ones devry comes to mind but there are also some sham colleges that are making a mint on certain people and leaving them with 50000 dollars in debt and a degree thats worthless
  • CenterBHSFan
    imex99;689982 wrote:State employee here...

    No raise, no step raise(not at top pay for my position), no personal leave accrual since 2009.
    We've taken cost saving days (furloghs) for 2 of 3 years of our contract. The BS about furloghs, only the executive branch under the governor received furlogh days. The legislative and judicial branch didn't furlogh there employees.
    Of course union dues, cost of family health insurance have risen.

    Sent from my Sprint HTC EVO 4G using Tapatalk

    Why have your union dues gone up? What extra service are you getting out of the union to warrant their dues going up?
  • Gblock
    a few examples

    http://www.alliedschools.com/ their degree in medical billing from home program is basically a keyboarding program.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/09/education/09colleges.html?_r=1

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/09/forprofit-colleges-cashin_n_794398.html
  • CenterBHSFan
    As an aside, Gblock, medical coding/billing used to be a pretty decent parttime or fulltime job IF you had the right contacts, at least in my part of the O.V. The problem(s) with that is that nowdays it's not like your only doing coding/billing, they want you to bundle the jobs into other micro-jobs. Another problem is the encroachment of "warehouses", in which it's a group of people and that's all they do; usually not even in the local area.

    All in all, when you total all the deciding factors, it can be a very worthless job. That career is just continuously morphing, alongside of the insurance companies adding/subtracting/changing codes everyday - alot of people just don't want to mess with it once that realize everything that it involves.
  • Gblock
    CenterBHSFan;690206 wrote:As an aside, Gblock, medical coding/billing used to be a pretty decent parttime or fulltime job IF you had the right contacts, at least in my part of the O.V. The problem(s) with that is that nowdays it's not like your only doing coding/billing, they want you to bundle the jobs into other micro-jobs. Another problem is the encroachment of "warehouses", in which it's a group of people and that's all they do; usually not even in the local area.

    All in all, when you total all the deciding factors, it can be a very worthless job. That career is just continuously morphing, alongside of the insurance companies adding/subtracting/changing codes everyday - alot of people just don't want to mess with it once that realize everything that it involves.
    not really talking about the carreer. but the program only teaches basic keyboarding at this college is what i gleaned from another article. that should not cost someone the same price as someone taking a college class

    http://www.slate.com/id/2130516/
  • CenterBHSFan
    ^^Agreed
  • bonelizzard
    sleeper;689327 wrote:It's really embarrassing that someone is educating the "future leaders of tomorrow" and they don't even know what Google is. It may even be worse than you not knowing how to capitalize or complete a proper sentence. Please, I beg for this bill to pass, and I now understand why you're against it as you would be the first one out on the street flipping burgers for a living.



    I lol'd.

    that's funny. yes, didn't say I didn't know what google was did I? How I know how to capitalize and punctuate properly, I just use my texting type of typing I guess. I feel it's more concise. But I'm glad you got a laugh out of it.. laughing is good.
  • O-Trap
    bonelizzard;690435 wrote:that's funny. yes, didn't say I didn't know what google was did I? How I know how to capitalize and punctuate properly, I just use my texting type of typing I guess. I feel it's more concise. But I'm glad you got a laugh out of it.. laughing is good.
    Picking up on that "lol" language! Nice! :D
  • bonelizzard
    off topic somewhat but I feel relevant.

    Would one be a more productive private sector employee or worker if he/she didn't spend working hours on the computer in forums chatting, arguing, discussing, debating subject matters?

    open for anyone who wants to answer.

    Oh, just a small portion of success today for the public sector worker by getting back collective bargaining rights toward wages.
    Much more work to do, but we're on our way.
  • FatHobbit
    bonelizzard;690443 wrote:off topic somewhat but I feel relevant.

    Would one be a more productive private sector employee or worker if he/she didn't spend working hours on the computer in forums chatting, arguing, discussing, debating subject matters?

    open for anyone who wants to answer.

    Hasn't this already been discussed?
  • WebFire
    bonelizzard;690443 wrote:off topic somewhat but I feel relevant.

    Would one be a more productive private sector employee or worker if he/she didn't spend working hours on the computer in forums chatting, arguing, discussing, debating subject matters?

    open for anyone who wants to answer.

    Oh, just a small portion of success today for the public sector worker by getting back collective bargaining rights toward wages.
    Much more work to do, but we're on our way.

    Probably, yes. But it would be more productive for public employees too.
  • LJ
    bonelizzard;690443 wrote:off topic somewhat but I feel relevant.

    Would one be a more productive private sector employee or worker if he/she didn't spend working hours on the computer in forums chatting, arguing, discussing, debating subject matters?

    open for anyone who wants to answer.
    no
  • I Wear Pants
    bonelizzard;690443 wrote:off topic somewhat but I feel relevant.

    Would one be a more productive private sector employee or worker if he/she didn't spend working hours on the computer in forums chatting, arguing, discussing, debating subject matters?

    open for anyone who wants to answer.
    Yeah it would, and maybe if the chatterers who get on at work did only work at work they'd become valuable enough to their employers that they'll get a raise. Or inversely if they're on here so much that it makes their performance worse maybe they'll get a pay cut or be fired. That's how that works.
  • fan_from_texas
    bonelizzard;690443 wrote:Would one be a more productive private sector employee or worker if he/she didn't spend working hours on the computer in forums chatting, arguing, discussing, debating subject matters?
    I don't bill when I'm on here, so it doesn't affect my productivity, just the amount of free time I have in the evening.
  • O-Trap
    bonelizzard;690443 wrote:off topic somewhat but I feel relevant.

    Would one be a more productive private sector employee or worker if he/she didn't spend working hours on the computer in forums chatting, arguing, discussing, debating subject matters?

    open for anyone who wants to answer.

    Oh, just a small portion of success today for the public sector worker by getting back collective bargaining rights toward wages.
    Much more work to do, but we're on our way.

    My job is a lot of "hurry up and wait." It leaves me with pockets of kill time.

    Otherwise, yes.
  • mvred
    My editorial in today's YSU Jambar:
  • ernest_t_bass
    ^^^
    Are you 100% certain that private school employees don't get a pension match, or anything like that. I don't like the fact that this bill PROHIBITS a district from contributing. If a district can do it, let them do it. Same with health care.
  • QuakerOats
    bonelizzard;690443 wrote:Would one be a more productive private sector employee or worker if he/she didn't spend working hours on the computer in forums chatting, arguing, discussing, debating subject matters?
    I do it as a public service.


    :)
  • ptown_trojans_1
    mvred;690532 wrote:My editorial in today's YSU Jambar:
    I'd also stay away from the whole mandate thing. One thing the 2006 and 2008 election results taught us is that new people in power may overreach and take on too much due to their own view of a mandate.
    D's said up and down in 06 and 08 they had a mandate from the people, which R's said they did not. Now it seems the shoe is on the other foot.
    Just a thought.