Two Muslims know real reason behind mosque proposal near Ground Zero

• BGFalcons82

  

  I Wear Pants;520312 wrote:Here's my problem with the "significant majority of the country doesn't want it" argument. It has no place in the discussion. There are tons of things where a majority of the country would disapprove of if polled on. But it doesn't matter. A majority of people don't have to approve of something for it to be allowed, thank god.

  
  Here's the CNN poll Bill O was referencing - http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/11/overwhelming-majority-oppose-mosque-near-ground-zero/
• I Wear Pants

  I wasn't disputing the poll. I don't care if 90% didn't want it. It has no bearing on whether it is allowed to go or should be put there.
  
  If you'd use public opinion polls there would be a lot of things that are illegal now or that would never get built. There's probably never been a porn store or strip club that a majority of people wanted. But they don't have a say in it.
• fish82

  

  I Wear Pants;520312 wrote:Here's my problem with the "significant majority of the country doesn't want it" argument. It has no place in the discussion. There are tons of things where a majority of the country would disapprove of if polled on. But it doesn't matter. A majority of people don't have to approve of something for it to be allowed, thank god.

  
  You miss the point. The people aren't saying "don't allow them to build it there," they're saying "I don't think it should be built there." I'm not aware of any significant legal movement to block the construction. The point of the poll is for this stupid Imam to realize that if he's really about "building bridges" and not just pushing buttons, he'd find a new spot.
  
  The poll merely illustrates that if he goes ahead in that spot against those numbers, then his agenda becomes painfully apparent.
• dwccrew

  

  CenterBHSFan;517677 wrote:I had chicken salad on a croissant today for lunch! Very tasty

  
  Muslims hate chicken salad and croissants, but they do like hummus and pita.
• jhay78

  

  Not about the GZ mosque in particular, but a great article by A. McCarthy about Islam and its philosophy of government.
  
  http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/250189/who-says-islam-totalitarian-andrew-c-mccarthy?page=1
  
  He makes an interesting point that one doesn't have to be a violent terrorist to be an "extremist" who supports Islamic rule over all areas of Western society:
  

  Spencer echoes Lewis when he elaborates that “all the mainstream sects and schools of Islamic jurisprudence teach as a matter of faith that Islam is intrinsically political and that Muslims must wage war against unbelievers and subjugate them under the rule of Islamic law.” The fact that most Muslims do not engage in violent jihad, whether out of practicality, indifference, or what have you, does not change what Islamic doctrine says. Nor does it mean these Muslims are “rejecting” that mandate. They are ignoring it.
  
  Moreover, as I’ve noted on several occasions, the point of jihad is to spread sharia, the Islamic legal system whose installation is the necessary precondition to creating an Islamic society. That need not be done by violent means. In fact, the Muslim Brotherhood, the world’s most influential Islamist organization, maintains that America and Europe will be “conquered” not by violence but by dawa* – the proselytism of Islam by non-violent (or, more accurate, pre-violent) means, such as infiltration of our institutions. Spencer calls this phenomenon “stealth jihad.”
  
  Consequently, one can be an Islamist without engaging in violent jihad, which is precisely the case with the vast majority of Islamists. The fact that they are not terrorists does not mean — as we wish it would mean — that they are not extremists. While they abstain from the use of force (particularly against other Muslims), staggering majorities of Muslims throughout the world favor the implementation and strict application of sharia. Andrew Bostom’s essay demonstrates this, citing polling done in 2009 by World Public Opinion in conjunction with the University of Maryland.

• CenterBHSFan

  

  I Wear Pants;520312 wrote:Here's my problem with the "significant majority of the country doesn't want it" argument. It has no place in the discussion. There are tons of things where a majority of the country would disapprove of if polled on. But it doesn't matter. A majority of people don't have to approve of something for it to be allowed, thank god.

  
  
  I get what you're saying and even agree to a certain extent. The problem with where you're going with that is that line of thinking has gotten us to where we are today. The latest 7 kinds of hell being Obamakare. The majority of Americans didn't want that particular kind of bill but we'll be recycling it in the toilet forever (unless it gets fully or partially repealed).
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  In response to some of the other posts:
  
  Listen, I'm all for trying to be sensitive to other people's feelings, but DAYUM, I'm not going to tuck my ankles behind my ears to do it!
• I Wear Pants

  But a community center isn't one of those things in which anyone is tucking their ankles behind their ears for. It's a community center. Hell, even if it was actually a mosque it still wouldn't be one of those things.
  
  I can understand being upset over the health care bill and other things, but this community center/mosque/whatever isn't something that should be a sticking point for people. Especially when there are all kinds of other things that we should be arguing about instead (like health care, or the war in Afghanistan, or something like that).
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Pants, ooops, that was my bad. I meant to separate that last sentence and clarify why I said it, but I'm tired and didn't do it.
  I have cleaned up my original post to make it more sensible.