posted by like_that

He was the only one on the front 7 that seemed to be playing in the 4th quarter.  Also, let's not forget the refs stole a strip sack from him. 

posted by SportsAndLady

The defense was trash. Which is why it was “Browns will be browns” game. The defense has looked great for 3 games and the offense not so much. Then we get 42 points out of the offense and the defense decides to suck? That is the textbook definition of “browns will be browns” and then for BR to say it wasn’t because the refs screwed them?! That is ALSO a “browns will be browns” thing. 

lol this.  By definition this was a browns will be browns game.

 

My initial definition was "because Browns" which is different than "Browns will be Browns." I get what you guys are saying with the "Browns will be Browns" which, to me, is just the Browns sucking like they have since 1999. "Because Browns" is something completely out of the realm of possibility that only they could pull out of their asses...it's essentially finding a new/ridiculous way to lose. That wasn't yesterday. That was just poor football.

And Garrett may have seemed like the only one on the front 7 playing but I expected a lot more versus a rookie.

https://waitingfornextyear.com/2018/10/cleveland-browns-not-surprised-by-losing/

posted by BR1986FB

My initial definition was "because Browns" which is different than "Browns will be Browns." I get what you guys are saying with the "Browns will be Browns" which, to me, is just the Browns sucking like they have since 1999. "Because Browns" is something completely out of the realm of possibility that only they could pull out of their asses...it's essentially finding a new/ridiculous way to lose. That wasn't yesterday. That was just poor football.

And Garrett may have seemed like the only one on the front 7 playing but I expected a lot more versus a rookie.

Blowing a 14 4th quarter lead via the correct call on the field being overturned to the wrong call isn’t a Browns will be Browns? Come on BR. You’re only saying this because you said before the game the browns won’t lose this game in a browns fashion. And they did. 

That feeling you usually get after a browns will be browns game...yeah, we all had that yesterday. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Blowing a 14 4th quarter lead via the correct call on the field being overturned to the wrong call isn’t a Browns will be Browns? Come on BR. You’re only saying this because you said before the game the browns won’t lose this game in a browns fashion. And they did. 

 

That feeling you usually get after a browns will be browns game...yeah, we all had that yesterday. 

How does an overturned call have anything to do with the Browns being Browns? Maybe "NFL refs being NFL refs" but that call had nothing to do with the Browns woes. It was a shitty call. Had nothing to do with the Browns play on the field. Now if you want to say "the Browns playing their usual shitty game" I'll buy that.

My understanding of a "browns being browns" loss is the Browns managing to lose a game they otherwise should have won and the other team had no business winning.  This game falls in line with that definition.   Now, if you want to argue there are different tiers of "browns being browns," I am down with that. This loss wasn't the worst tier, but it was definitely in a shitty tier. 

posted by BR1986FB

How does an overturned call have anything to do with the Browns being Browns? Maybe "NFL refs being NFL refs" but that call had nothing to do with the Browns woes. It was a shitty call. Had nothing to do with the Browns play on the field. Now if you want to say "the Browns playing their usual shitty game" I'll buy that.

Browns get a first down to win the game. Booth calls in to review it and actually overturn the correctly called play. Browns then have to punt and give up a TD and 2 point conversion to tie the game. Then throw a pick on the last series to send to OT. Then lay an egg in OT. 

If that’s not browns will be browns, idk what is. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Browns get a first down to win the game. Booth calls in to review it and actually overturn the correctly called play. Browns then have to punt and give up a TD and 2 point conversion to tie the game. Then throw a pick on the last series to send to OT. Then lay an egg in OT. 

If that’s not browns will be browns, idk what is. 

The actions AFTER the refs call, I agree, would be the Browns being the Browns. The refs making a shitty call had nothing to do with the Browns. The refs controlled what happened in that moment. As you said, once that was overturned, you knew they'd drive down, score the TD & the 2 pt conversion and eventually lose. I think this is what we all thought, but the ref determining whether the Browns were to win AT THAT POINT was not on the Browns.

I was at the game about 10 rows behind Browns bench. Mrs. Corbett [his wife and i think his mom, Corbett clan traveled well for this game. Wonder if he's from the area?] was sitting in front of me during the game.

• The Bryant drop was huge, he streaked right by (I was watching him as he was close to the browns bench).
• Hyde looks like he's running with a parachute, Chubb should be our starting RB.
• Landry, Randall, Peppers all look like they're playing with an injury. Noticeable limping on the sidelines.
• Refs this game were fucking horrible on both side. Lynch was called down by whistle and he wasn't even close. The entire stadium was fucking pissed and that would have been a TD.
• Our tackling sucks, esp BBC.
• Peppers is trash at returning, just abysmal.
• Our ST unit HAS to be the worst in the league. They're pitiful.
• Hue should have gone for it on 4th down. EVERYONE in the browns section was screaming to go for it. Made no sense not to, esp considering our Def was gassed and our ST was trash. Also hyde should not have been the runner on 3rd down.
• I have no clue why Avery isn't playing almost every snap. He's a stud
• Greg Robinson is fucking huge.
• Bob Wiley is fucking huge.
• Raiders tail gating was fun.
• I was walking around carrying beer and I'd say I was asked at least 12 times for beer from Raiders fan. Brought teh lulz. Never exp that before.

posted by Commander of Awesome

I was at the game about 10 rows behind Browns bench. Mrs. Corbett [his wife and i think his mom, Corbett clan traveled well for this game. Wonder if he's from the area?] was sitting in front of me during the game.

• The Bryant drop was huge, he streaked right by (I was watching him as he was close to the browns bench).
• Hyde looks like he's running with a parachute, Chubb should be our starting RB.
• Landry, Randall, Peppers all look like they're playing with an injury. Noticeable limping on the sidelines.
• Refs this game were fucking horrible on both side. Lynch was called down by whistle and he wasn't even close. The entire stadium was fucking pissed and that would have been a TD.
• Our tackling sucks, esp BBC.
• Peppers is trash at returning, just abysmal.
• Our ST unit HAS to be the worst in the league. They're pitiful.
• Hue should have gone for it on 4th down. EVERYONE in the browns section was screaming to go for it. Made no sense not to, esp considering our Def was gassed and our ST was trash. Also hyde should not have been the runner on 3rd down.
• I have no clue why Avery isn't playing almost every snap. He's a stud
• Greg Robinson is fucking huge.
• Bob Wiley is fucking huge.
• Raiders tail gating was fun.
• I was walking around carrying beer and I'd say I was asked at least 12 times for beer from Raiders fan. Brought teh lulz. Never exp that before.

 

A few points on your bolded:

-That was a terrible call and the Browns got lucky, but I don't think that turns into a TD for lynch.  Perhaps a significant gain, but def not a TD.

-ST is the worst.  We have the worst HC in the league and the worst ST coordinator. 

-I disagree with going for it.  It should have been a first down for starters, but even then I don't think it's too much to ask for your defense to prevent the opposing team from scoring a td and 2 pt conversion with around 1:30 to go.  Everyone knows it's going to be a pass; make a fucking play.  That's why we drafted a CB #4 overall and a DE the year before #1 overall. 

Which CB gave up the TD? Was it Gaines? He looked out of position on almost every play.

posted by Commander of Awesome

I was at the game about 10 rows behind Browns bench. Mrs. Corbett [his wife and i think his mom, Corbett clan traveled well for this game. Wonder if he's from the area?] was sitting in front of me during the game.

• The Bryant drop was huge, he streaked right by (I was watching him as he was close to the browns bench).
• Hyde looks like he's running with a parachute, Chubb should be our starting RB.
• Landry, Randall, Peppers all look like they're playing with an injury. Noticeable limping on the sidelines.
• Refs this game were fucking horrible on both side. Lynch was called down by whistle and he wasn't even close. The entire stadium was fucking pissed and that would have been a TD.
• Our tackling sucks, esp BBC.
• Peppers is trash at returning, just abysmal.
• Our ST unit HAS to be the worst in the league. They're pitiful.
• Hue should have gone for it on 4th down. EVERYONE in the browns section was screaming to go for it. Made no sense not to, esp considering our Def was gassed and our ST was trash. Also hyde should not have been the runner on 3rd down.
• I have no clue why Avery isn't playing almost every snap. He's a stud
• Greg Robinson is fucking huge.
• Bob Wiley is fucking huge.
• Raiders tail gating was fun.
• I was walking around carrying beer and I'd say I was asked at least 12 times for beer from Raiders fan. Brought teh lulz. Never exp that before.

 

Haha i was wondering where you were. I remembered you were going to this game and thought, "god damn that would suck to watch that shitshow live."

Gaines played awful. Randall too. They were getting beat all day. 

BR mentioned something about not hearing Ward's name mentioned...uhh, isn't that a good thing for a DB? I don't know the stats, but I don't think he played horrible.

posted by SportsAndLady

Gaines played awful. Randall too. They were getting beat all day. 

BR mentioned something about not hearing Ward's name mentioned...uhh, isn't that a good thing for a DB? I don't know the stats, but I don't think he played horrible.

They didn't throw his way that much.  I like that teams are already respecting a rookie CB. 

Going for it on 4th down was the only play. By punting, they had to have lowered their win expectancy significantly. That didn’t make any sense to me. I don’t understand the overturn, but still gotta go for it.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/1046811818847559680

Great read, highlights many of the missed calls including Myles being held on almost every play in the 4th quarter.

posted by SportsAndLady

Haha i was wondering where you were. I remembered you were going to this game and thought, "god damn that would suck to watch that shitshow live."

It was a shit show. With like 2 min left in the game, Raiders fans starting pouring out of the stadium, and my buddy turned towards me and said, "Why are they leaving? Don't they know it's against the browns and the Browns will find a way to lose?"

I told him to STFU but goddamnit if he wasn't right.

99.9% chance I’m a conspiracy theorist. But Vegas made the call to overturn that spot. 

Not that I think he'll be a huge factor but Bell is supposed to report to Pittsburgh during their bye week 7. Guess who the Browns play in week 8?

posted by BR1986FB

Not that I think he'll be a huge factor but Bell is supposed to report to Pittsburgh during their bye week 7. Guess who the Browns play in week 8?

Bell is an awful LB/DB....

For you PFF guys...

@PFF_Browns 
#Browns LT Desmond Harrison had the 11th best offensive (72.9) and pass-blocking (84.5) grades among all tackles in Week 4 with qualifying snaps, allowing just 1 pressure in 48 pass-blocking snaps

I don't think LT is going to be a high priority in the coming draft. This kid is getting better & better as he plays more.

posted by BR1986FB

For you PFF guys...

@PFF_Browns 
#Browns LT Desmond Harrison had the 11th best offensive (72.9) and pass-blocking (84.5) grades among all tackles in Week 4 with qualifying snaps, allowing just 1 pressure in 48 pass-blocking snaps

I don't think LT is going to be a high priority in the coming draft. This kid is getting better & better as he plays more.

That would be great, and quite the steal if he keeps improving.

Edit:  You also have to think, that Mayfield getting the ball out quicker helps the line immensely. 

posted by like_that

That would be great, and quite the steal if he keeps improving.

 

Edit:  You also have to think, that Mayfield getting the ball out quicker helps the line immensely. 

I got that info from a poster on the OBR. On that same thread, it's stated that the O-Line's numbers have gone up, as a unit, since Baker came in. I also firmly believe that there's no way the RB's go for 200+ yards against Oakland had TT still been in there. Haley can open up the offense with Baker in there and it's keeping the secondary honest (can't cheat up into the box).

Heading over for the Ravens game Sunday--heart says W, head says 'not so fast my friend'...hopefully they can get it done.

posted by vball10set

Heading over for the Ravens game Sunday--heart says W, head says 'not so fast my friend'...hopefully they can get it done.

After what happened Sunday I'm confident they will be fun to watch and not much more. Until Hue is gone this team will never know how to finish. Watching Myles Garrett sitting on his helmet with the disgusted "what do we got to do to win" look on his face said everything to me.

I do think the defense will look a lot better "because Flacco" (see what I did there). Browns always have a punchers chance against QB's like Flacco & Dalton because they are middle of the road QB's.

posted by BR1986FB

After what happened Sunday I'm confident they will be fun to watch and not much more. Until Hue is gone this team will never know how to finish. Watching Myles Garrett sitting on his helmet with the disgusted "what do we got to do to win" look on his face said everything to me.

I do think the defense will look a lot better "because Flacco" (see what I did there). Browns always have a punchers chance against QB's like Flacco & Dalton because they are middle of the road QB's.

They so far have the looks of a young, "fun," and frisky 6 win team that will build some hope/hype into next season.  I just hope Hue isn't around for it.