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posted by Ironman92
Just watched the Chinese guys just dominate the spring board diving in the prelims….then watched a Canadian score straight 0’s. No clue what went through his mind on take off.
I think it was a female diver. She said she just froze.
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Being cynical here - don't you assume all these guys dope? It works and I think it's a case where you wouldn't be competitive without it. But even if that's the case, the guy still wins the event.
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posted by Laley23
They are all cheating. Some just use stuff that occasionally gets caught by the test. Lets not pretend the American sprinters and swimmers are God's Angels while the rest of the world are the scum of the earth cheaters.
If you're a competitor and everyone else does it (or even if some do it), you have to do it to have a chance. I've come to see it as similar to diet, recovery and rest - some may have a better program than others. If most or all are doing it, the baseline moves up, but the elite and winners still set themselves apart from this new baseline. This is why I didn't understand the attitude that Lance Armstrong was not the greatest cyclist ever. He was/is a dick - I get that. But there is no way every competitor he was up against did not dope as well. So he was still the best among that baseline.
With sprinters or strength athletes, I just don't see how you can't assume they dope. I have a feeling those that don't have no shot, so we've never heard of them. I think this whole topic just needs to be an accepted part of sports.
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posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie
If you're a competitor and everyone else does it (or even if some do it), you have to do it to have a chance. I've come to see it as similar to diet, recovery and rest - some may have a better program than others. If most or all are doing it, the baseline moves up, but the elite and winners still set themselves apart from this new baseline. This is why I didn't understand the attitude that Lance Armstrong was not the greatest cyclist ever. He was/is a dick - I get that. But there is no way every competitor he was up against did not dope as well. So he was still the best among that baseline.
With sprinters or strength athletes, I just don't see how you can't assume they dope. I have a feeling those that don't have no shot, so we've never heard of them. I think this whole topic just needs to be an accepted part of sports.
I like how Calvin Smith thinks that the gold in '88 Seoul should be his because he never tested positive
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posted by gut
Maybe the best TdF rider, but never really in the conversation for GOAT in cycling.
But all drugs aren't equal. People who are better financed (certainly true of Armstrong's team) have better drugs, and that gives them a real advantage.
Yes, but they also have better coaches, better equipment, better facilities, better doctors, etc. There's no way to even the playing field.
Yes, best tour de france rider. I don't know shit about riding, so that's all I know about him. Maybe in the world of cycling he wasn't that great - only in that race.
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Even in that race, he was "GOAT" on the basis of 7 straight being a record, but Eddie Merckx (inarguably the GOAT in cycling, and in the conversation for GOAT of GOATs) won all the jerseys in the TdF at least once, to go with his 5 yellow.
Fair enough. But he was pretty good those 7 years. My point is that he was he best juiced guy racing against other juiced guys.
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Mijain Lopez……good lord that’s a big man.
4 Olympic Golds (wrestling)….won easily and then picked up a 260 lb man that was one of his coaches and with one arm carried him while jogging around the ring. Lol
Somewhere between the strength of a black bear and a grizzly bear
He is a monster. He would have been a pro bowl DE if he grew up in the US.