posted by geeblockThis is why the what about Chicago is such a bull shit argument.
The government should not be forcing towns to build housing they don’t want. People in the suburbs are not going to be mad about this.
Since we are in this thread, the retards talking to Barr were hilarious, and the media trying to blame violence on the right wing is even funnier. Shit show
posted by iclfan2The government should not be forcing towns to build housing they don’t want. People in the suburbs are not going to be mad about this.
Since we are in this thread, the retards talking to Barr were hilarious, and the media trying to blame violence on the right wing is even funnier. Shit show
That’s fine. Just stop saying what about Chicago/black on black crime
posted by geeblockThat’s fine. Just stop saying what about Chicago/black on black crime
Ok, then don’t complain about police killing like 5 innocent people a year. It’s not the epidemic people are pretending it to be.
posted by iclfan2Ok, then don’t complain about police killing like 5 innocent people a year. It’s not the epidemic people are pretending it to be.
It’s not just about people getting killed but ok
posted by geeblockThat’s fine. Just stop saying what about Chicago/black on black crime
You do realize that “black on black crime” and low cost suburb housing is like comparing apples to a caterpillar right? It’s not even apples to oranges as at least those are both fruits.
posted by geeblockIt’s not just about people getting killed but ok
Ok then what is it about?
posted by iclfan2Ok then what is it about?
If you haven’t figured it out Yet you don’t want to
posted by jmogYou do realize that “black on black crime” and low cost suburb housing is like comparing apples to a caterpillar right? It’s not even apples to oranges as at least those are both fruits.
I’m just saying if you want to actually stop black on black crime blocking people from bettering their lives by getting into better neighborhoods and better schools is the opposite. This is what caused the problem in the first place
posted by geeblockI’m just saying if you want to actually stop black on black crime blocking people from bettering their lives by getting into better neighborhoods and better schools is the opposite. This is what caused the problem in the first place
When poor areas have some remodeling done and higher price homes, which by your definition would raise the level of the schools, the left decries it as gentrification and it’s a terrible thing.
When you build poor housing in a nicer area the right decries it as lowering the value of the area and schools.
Neither are 100% right or wrong in their stance. But they are both hypocritical in their solidarity.
I know if I live in a run down area (have been there) I wouldn’t mind if the houses around me get built up as it raises the value of my home. If I lived in a nicer area I wouldn’t want the opposite. I wouldn’t want section 8 housing right next to me. Not because of race, but due to killing my property value.
posted by jmogWhen poor areas have some remodeling done and higher price homes, which by your definition would raise the level of the schools, the left decries it as gentrification and it’s a terrible thing.
When you build poor housing in a nicer area the right decries it as lowering the value of the area and schools.
Neither are 100% right or wrong in their stance. But they are both hypocritical in their solidarity.
I know if I live in a run down area (have been there) I wouldn’t mind if the houses around me get built up as it raises the value of my home. If I lived in a nicer area I wouldn’t want the opposite. I wouldn’t want section 8 housing right next to me. Not because of race, but due to killing my property value.
I said that’s fine if you read my post.. but then stop bitching about Chicago
posted by geeblockI said that’s fine if you read my post.. but then stop bitching about Chicago
I am willing to be wrong, but I don’t think I personally have bitched about Chicago.
posted by jmogWhen poor areas have some remodeling done and higher price homes, which by your definition would raise the level of the schools, the left decries it as gentrification and it’s a terrible thing.
When you build poor housing in a nicer area the right decries it as lowering the value of the area and schools.
Neither are 100% right or wrong in their stance. But they are both hypocritical in their solidarity.
I know if I live in a run down area (have been there) I wouldn’t mind if the houses around me get built up as it raises the value of my home. If I lived in a nicer area I wouldn’t want the opposite. I wouldn’t want section 8 housing right next to me. Not because of race, but due to killing my property value.
https://ced.sog.unc.edu/does-affordable-housing-negatively-impact-nearby-property-values/
posted by jmogI am willing to be wrong, but I don’t think I personally have bitched about Chicago.
I didn’t make my comment to you .. you commented to me. I was just repeating what my original post said
posted by geeblockI said that’s fine if you read my post.. but then stop bitching about Chicago
DC does the same thing with section 8 housing in affluent/gentrified areas and there are shootings all the time in those areas. I have heard several shootings near the houses I lived in DC, and some were only one block away. These are neighborhood blocks, where row houses are going for $700K-$1M (pre covid). I don't think these policies do what you think they do.
You're fixated on the "black on black" aspect, but the original point of the Chicago argument is to point out strict gun laws do not work. There are other cities that can be used as an example, but Chicago is the go to argument.
Also, it is a little dated now, but 10 years ago a survey was done by Harvard surveying economists on all parts of the political spectrum (left/right/moderate) and 93% agreed that rent control reduces the quantity and quality of housing available.
posted by Fab4Runnerhttps://ced.sog.unc.edu/does-affordable-housing-negatively-impact-nearby-property-values/
I am willing to be wrong, but I doubt putting section 8 housing next to $250,000 homes won’t lower the value of the nicer homes.
posted by like_thatAlso, it is a little dated now, but 10 years ago a survey was done by Harvard surveying economists on all parts of the political spectrum (left/right/moderate) and 93% agreed that rent control reduces the quantity and quality of housing available.
What incentive do landlords have to improve housing if they can't increase rent to help pay for the cost? They're just supposed to do it out of the goodness of their hearts and eat the cost?
I have seen government controlled housing move into small communities, it brings nothing but drugs, violence and general misconduct.
An informative thread that includes Chicago and low income housing.
just wanna talk real quick about how we get to "public housing" as a highly stigmatized, not-so-subtle dog whistle for "low-income Black people," instead of what it could be-- a public good benefitting people of all backgrounds--in the context of Chicago history.
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posted by like_thatDC does the same thing with section 8 housing in affluent/gentrified areas and there are shootings all the time in those areas. I have heard several shootings near the houses I lived in DC, and some were only one block away. These are neighborhood blocks, where row houses are going for $700K-$1M (pre covid). I don't think these policies do what you think they do.
You're fixated on the "black on black" aspect, but the original point of the Chicago argument is to point out strict gun laws do not work. There are other cities that can be used as an example, but Chicago is the go to argument.
I’m not fixated on it but it gets brought up every day here is why I said it
I’d just like to point out, these people are mad at their communities and they’re like vote for change! But the people in charge are already in their party. No change is coming.
posted by iclfan2I’d just like to point out, these people are mad at their communities and they’re like vote for change! But the people in charge are already in their party. No change is coming.
Safe bet most of the protestors don't vote in their local elections (turnout in local elections averages like 20%!!!!).
I think what's more alarming is, despite the complaints about local officials, people don't vote and instead increasingly look to DC to fix their local problems.
Remember, Trump is a fascist - gets a frickin' PANDEMIC which is tailor-made to seize and abuse power....and he ran away from it. Then gets criticized for not trampling all over the Constitution.
posted by gutSafe bet most of the protestors don't vote in their local elections (turnout in local elections averages like 20%!!!!).
I think what's more alarming is, despite the complaints about local officials, people don't vote and instead increasingly look to DC to fix their local problems.
Remember, Trump is a fascist - gets a frickin' PANDEMIC which is tailor-made to seize and abuse power....and he ran away from it. Then gets criticized for not trampling all over the Constitution.
Your last paragraph is dead on correct.
Just a local BLM group terrorizing an immigrant owned business. Demanding local businesses hire black people and buy their inventory from black owned business or they will leave bad reviews on review sites/ mess with your business. Definitely a way to get people on your side.
posted by iclfan2Just a local BLM group terrorizing an immigrant owned business. Demanding local businesses hire black people and buy their inventory from black owned business or they will leave bad reviews on review sites/ mess with your business. Definitely a way to get people on your side.
I dont get why you would protest a business because you dont agree with something you dont like.
Wouldnt you just decide to not shop there? Couldnt you just open your own business and do what you are asking them to do?
