not trying to make people shun free thinking, I don't necessarily disagree with the message of this man, but i do think it's worth pointing out some of the science him and his collective have backed in the past. after all the more informed we all are the better we are at forming our opinions and entrenching our beliefs.

 but here are just a few things McCollough's AAPS group has sponsored in the past:

HIV doesn't cause AIDS

There are links between vaccines and autism.

Nicotine isn't addictive. Philip Morris executives worked with AAPS executive director Jane Orient to help oppose growing support for indoor smoking bans in the early 2000s.^[16] In the fall of 2009, economist Michael Marlow published an article in AAPS' journal arguing that tobacco tax would decrease public health when people "switch to higher tar and nicotine brands as they smoke less."^[76]

AAPS opposes abortion and over-the-counter access to emergency contraception. The group claims there is a link between abortion and breast cancer. In the fall 2007 Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Patrick Carroll hypothesized that abortion for women who have never previously given birth to a child is a risk factor that most predicts the likelihood of breast cancer.

Leading up to the 2008 presidential election, AAPS published an article claiming that then-candidate Barack Obama was captivating his audiences through hypnosis. The article was based on an unsigned 67-page paper anonymously published online in Arizona. Obama's speeches were analyzed for neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) techniques, based on the work of 20th century American psychologist Milton Erickson, including "extra slow speech, rhythm, tonalities, vagueness, visual imagery, metaphor, and raising of emotion", as well as the use of the "O" in Obama's logo as a "point of visual fixation".

posted by j_crazy

not trying to make people shun free thinking, I don't necessarily disagree with the message of this man, but i do think it's worth pointing out some of the science him and his collective have backed in the past. after all the more informed we all are the better we are at forming our opinions and entrenching our beliefs.

 but here are just a few things McCollough's AAPS group has sponsored in the past:

HIV doesn't cause AIDS

There are links between vaccines and autism.

Nicotine isn't addictive. Philip Morris executives worked with AAPS executive director Jane Orient to help oppose growing support for indoor smoking bans in the early 2000s.^[16] In the fall of 2009, economist Michael Marlow published an article in AAPS' journal arguing that tobacco tax would decrease public health when people "switch to higher tar and nicotine brands as they smoke less."^[76]

AAPS opposes abortion and over-the-counter access to emergency contraception. The group claims there is a link between abortion and breast cancer. In the fall 2007 Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Patrick Carroll hypothesized that abortion for women who have never previously given birth to a child is a risk factor that most predicts the likelihood of breast cancer.

Leading up to the 2008 presidential election, AAPS published an article claiming that then-candidate Barack Obama was captivating his audiences through hypnosis. The article was based on an unsigned 67-page paper anonymously published online in Arizona. Obama's speeches were analyzed for neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) techniques, based on the work of 20th century American psychologist Milton Erickson, including "extra slow speech, rhythm, tonalities, vagueness, visual imagery, metaphor, and raising of emotion", as well as the use of the "O" in Obama's logo as a "point of visual fixation".

I can definitely envision CC deciding this dude was worth following after the whole "Obammy won because he hypnotized people" deal. Always good to know that his 1000th "Gonna get people to see my POV on Teh Rona" post is about as intellectually sound as any of the past 999.

posted by j_crazy

not trying to make people shun free thinking, I don't necessarily disagree with the message of this man, but i do think it's worth pointing out some of the science him and his collective have backed in the past. after all the more informed we all are the better we are at forming our opinions and entrenching our beliefs.

 but here are just a few things McCollough's AAPS group has sponsored in the past:

HIV doesn't cause AIDS

There are links between vaccines and autism.

Nicotine isn't addictive. Philip Morris executives worked with AAPS executive director Jane Orient to help oppose growing support for indoor smoking bans in the early 2000s.^[16] In the fall of 2009, economist Michael Marlow published an article in AAPS' journal arguing that tobacco tax would decrease public health when people "switch to higher tar and nicotine brands as they smoke less."^[76]

AAPS opposes abortion and over-the-counter access to emergency contraception. The group claims there is a link between abortion and breast cancer. In the fall 2007 Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Patrick Carroll hypothesized that abortion for women who have never previously given birth to a child is a risk factor that most predicts the likelihood of breast cancer.

Leading up to the 2008 presidential election, AAPS published an article claiming that then-candidate Barack Obama was captivating his audiences through hypnosis. The article was based on an unsigned 67-page paper anonymously published online in Arizona. Obama's speeches were analyzed for neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) techniques, based on the work of 20th century American psychologist Milton Erickson, including "extra slow speech, rhythm, tonalities, vagueness, visual imagery, metaphor, and raising of emotion", as well as the use of the "O" in Obama's logo as a "point of visual fixation".

Never really heard of this group until today, but they sound like real sound logical thinking/reasoning scientific bunch.....

/endsarcasm

posted by j_crazy

not trying to make people shun free thinking, I don't necessarily disagree with the message of this man, but i do think it's worth pointing out some of the science him and his collective have backed in the past. after all the more informed we all are the better we are at forming our opinions and entrenching our beliefs.

 but here are just a few things McCollough's AAPS group has sponsored in the past:

HIV doesn't cause AIDS

There are links between vaccines and autism.

Nicotine isn't addictive. Philip Morris executives worked with AAPS executive director Jane Orient to help oppose growing support for indoor smoking bans in the early 2000s.^[16] In the fall of 2009, economist Michael Marlow published an article in AAPS' journal arguing that tobacco tax would decrease public health when people "switch to higher tar and nicotine brands as they smoke less."^[76]

AAPS opposes abortion and over-the-counter access to emergency contraception. The group claims there is a link between abortion and breast cancer. In the fall 2007 Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Patrick Carroll hypothesized that abortion for women who have never previously given birth to a child is a risk factor that most predicts the likelihood of breast cancer.

Leading up to the 2008 presidential election, AAPS published an article claiming that then-candidate Barack Obama was captivating his audiences through hypnosis. The article was based on an unsigned 67-page paper anonymously published online in Arizona. Obama's speeches were analyzed for neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) techniques, based on the work of 20th century American psychologist Milton Erickson, including "extra slow speech, rhythm, tonalities, vagueness, visual imagery, metaphor, and raising of emotion", as well as the use of the "O" in Obama's logo as a "point of visual fixation".

A few things:

1.  You do realize that Doctors join and affiliate themselves with as much as possible to bolster their resume?

2.  So with your logic, since I am a member of the OEA (which is a sub member of the NEA)....I must be a die hard liberal.  

Counterpoints:

1. If you're a doctor who is affiliating yourself with whack-job organizations to bolster your resume, that probably says a lot about you and your stances.

2. If you actually think that being a random educator who is part of a teacher's union says anything about your personal political beliefs because said union leans one way – especially as a comparison to a so-called medical professional being affiliated with a whack-job organization — well, uh, to best put it, you suck at making arguments that actually support anything you're trying to say.

posted by Fletch

A few things:

1.  You do realize that Doctors join and affiliate themselves with as much as possible to bolster their resume?

2.  So with your logic, since I am a member of the OEA (which is a sub member of the NEA)....I must be a die hard liberal.  

I don't think you read my post. I also don't think you researched who that man is. Which is why i posted what i posted. All i'm saying is you can agree with his endgame message (personally i do) but i'm not married to the science he's using to come to that conclusion because it seems married to a specific result and inflating any minute finding that correlates to that result in any roundabout way. 

posted by j_crazy

I don't think you read my post. I also don't think you researched who that man is. Which is why i posted what i posted. All i'm saying is you can agree with his endgame message (personally i do) but i'm not married to the science he's using to come to that conclusion because it seems married to a specific result and inflating any minute finding that correlates to that result in any roundabout way. 

The science he is using is coming from large pools of data from other countries that point to the fact that our medical environment here in the US totally fucked this up.  

posted by Fletch

The science he is using is coming from large pools of data from other countries that point to the fact that our medical environment here in the US totally fucked this up.  

The specific results are specific to the results, not what he wants the outcome to be based on other factors

Our actions in the US are not dissimilar to elsewhere.  Why did our actions "fuck this up"?

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Our actions in the US are not dissimilar to elsewhere.  Why did our actions "fuck this up"?

Multiple reasons but the political positions made on therapeutics is #1.  We are at year 2 and have plenty of evidence about meds that keep people from the ICU and we aren’t using them in mass

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/16/politics/medication-abortion-fda-supreme-court/index.html

We can now get abortion pills in the mail but I can’t get anti virals from my doctor

posted by Fletch

Multiple reasons but the political positions made on therapeutics is #1.  We are at year 2 and have plenty of evidence about meds that keep people from the ICU and we aren’t using them in mass

What do you care? The people in ICUs are fat POS (your words) anyways. Now you're upset they aren't given "meds" but you're fine with them being unvaccinated in the first place. 

posted by friendfromlowry

What do you care? The people in ICUs are fat POS (your words) anyways. Now you're upset they aren't given "meds" but you're fine with them being unvaccinated in the first place. 

1.  The unhealthy population in this country is keeping healthy people from living their lives.

2.  I dont need a vaccine, I have natural immunity.

3.  I will use your take, why do you care that I am not vaccinated?  You just wear your mask everywhere, they work right?

posted by Fletch

1.  The unhealthy population in this country is keeping healthy people from living their lives.

2.  I dont need a vaccine, I have natural immunity.

3.  I will use your take, why do you care that I am not vaccinated?  You just wear your mask everywhere, they work right?

I don’t care about your vaccine status or your natural immunity. This isn’t about you or I so quit being completely irrelevant.

You’re upset an unhealthy part of the population is keeping you from living your life. You’re also frustrated they’re being denied meds which would keep them from getting significantly sick. However, if they’d just got the fucking vaccine in the first place, neither of those problems would exist and you’d be happy again. Are you pro medicine or not? You’ve mocked the vaccine for months but question why other meds aren’t given. 

posted by friendfromlowry

Are you pro medicine or not? You’ve mocked the vaccine for months but question why other meds aren’t given.

LOL, I never really noticed until you brought it up, but yeah funny how the rightwing crazies rail about vaccine mandates and then cry about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.

Horse paste aficionados. 

posted by Fletch

1.  The unhealthy population in this country is keeping healthy people from living their lives.

posted by friendfromlowry

I don’t care about your vaccine status or your natural immunity. This isn’t about you or I so quit being completely irrelevant.

You’re upset an unhealthy part of the population is keeping you from living your life. You’re also frustrated they’re being denied meds which would keep them from getting significantly sick. However, if they’d just got the fucking vaccine in the first place, neither of those problems would exist and you’d be happy again. Are you pro medicine or not? You’ve mocked the vaccine for months but question why other meds aren’t given. 

1.  You don’t care about my vaccine status?  Quit bringing it up.  

2.  Everyone should be upset that our medical “professionals “  don’t know what the fuck they are doing.

3.  You are implying that the vaccine is working.  It’s not,  something like 45% of all new cases are people vaccinated.  Why would I get it when natural T-cells prevent me from getting it at all.

posted by queencitybuckeye

The stupid do the same to the smart. I'll drop a pound for every IQ point you gain and we'll call it even.

Well, looks like you'll be gaining weight instead of losing it, since he seems to get less intelligent by the year...month...day...post.

I loved the natural immunity argument. Especially since I just got on ESPN's site and saw that New Orleans coach Sean Payton got it for the second time. And seem to recall hearing that Cleveland's coach also is a two-time recipient of COVID. So,  yeah, unless ignorance is a natural antibody, I don't think he has actual immunity.

posted by Heretic

Well, looks like you'll be gaining weight instead of losing it, since he seems to get less intelligent by the year...month...day...post.

I loved the natural immunity argument. Especially since I just got on ESPN's site and saw that New Orleans coach Sean Payton got it for the second time. And seem to recall hearing that Cleveland's coach also is a two-time recipient of COVID. So,  yeah, unless ignorance is a natural antibody, I don't think he has actual immunity.

1.  There has not been one actual case of a person catching Covid 2 timres.

2.  Antibodies arent the same as T cell immunity.  For some reason the FDA wont approve T cell tests for covid.  Wonder why?

posted by Fletch

1.  You don’t care about my vaccine status?  Quit bringing it up.  

2.  Everyone should be upset that our medical “professionals “  don’t know what the fuck they are doing.

3.  You are implying that the vaccine is working.  It’s not,  something like 45% of all new cases are people vaccinated.  Why would I get it when natural T-cells prevent me from getting it at all.

Where did I ever bring up your vaccination status? I've barely said shit on this thread in months but idk every once in a while I have to step in remind you dont know what you're talking about. I wouldn't waste any time discussing your vaccination status, because you've been an insufferable dickhead about it since the beginning. Please reference the post where I brought up your vaccination status. 

"45% Of aLl NeW cAseS aRE VacCinateD" You know how many of those are sick requiring lots of oxygen or in the ICU? None. This really isn't that hard to understand but people like you seem to struggle. (Everyone else here seems to grasp that concept except you. Maybe you should reflect on that). Every single sick patient in the ICU is unvaccinated. The vaccine is what makes getting the virus much easier to handle. I see this stuff every day in person, you read about it on Breitbart. 

Can you offer any clarification on your contradicting views on medicine? If it's just going to be more nonsense about your T-cells - which, again, no one asked about - then I'll tell you to save it and let you get back to (checks notes) teaching 4th graders volleyball. 

posted by Fletch

3.  You are implying that the vaccine is working.  It’s not,  something like 45% of all new cases are people vaccinated.  Why would I get it when natural T-cells prevent me from getting it at all.

posted by Fletch

1.  There has not been one actual case of a person catching Covid 2 timres.

https://www.science.org/content/article/more-people-are-getting-covid-19-twice-suggesting-immunity-wanes-quickly-some

Christ you're dumb.

posted by Fletch

1.  There has not been one actual case of a person catching Covid 2 timres.

2.  Antibodies arent the same as T cell immunity.  For some reason the FDA wont approve T cell tests for covid.  Wonder why?

Come on, I am actually against all mandates but don’t be that stupid.

People have got it twice, my own son has got it twice. Once April 2020 and once just last month.

Both cases were mild but still, don’t be stupid.

posted by friendfromlowry

Where did I ever bring up your vaccination status? I've barely said shit on this thread in months but idk every once in a while I have to step in remind you dont know what you're talking about. I wouldn't waste any time discussing your vaccination status, because you've been an insufferable dickhead about it since the beginning. Please reference the post where I brought up your vaccination status. 

"45% Of aLl NeW cAseS aRE VacCinateD" You know how many of those are sick requiring lots of oxygen or in the ICU? None. This really isn't that hard to understand but people like you seem to struggle. (Everyone else here seems to grasp that concept except you. Maybe you should reflect on that). Every single sick patient in the ICU is unvaccinated. The vaccine is what makes getting the virus much easier to handle. I see this stuff every day in person, you read about it on Breitbart. 

Can you offer any clarification on your contradicting views on medicine? If it's just going to be more nonsense about your T-cells - which, again, no one asked about - then I'll tell you to save it and let you get back to (checks notes) teaching 4th graders volleyball. 

Quite frankly your statement that none of the really sick are vaccinated is just as dumb as CCs statement that no one has got it twice.

Yes, the vaccinated deaths/ICU are lower but they aren’t zero.