Remember when people were upset Trump wasn't impeached over trying to get the DOJ to investigate Biden?  The irony is maybe he was right...

It's funny watching the TDS crowd twist themselves in knots pretending like they actually care and "reserving judgement until we see evidence".  LMFAO some of them are still railing about things they believe on collusion that were long since disproven.

Lol what a headline

“Trans woman is cleared of flashing her penis at Ohio YMCA after judge ruled she's too FAT for her genitals to be visible”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12054769/Trans-woman-cleared-flashing-penis-YMCA-shes-FAT-genitals-visible.html

This is quite the tweet. 

Jews were disarmed. Their German neighbors were not. Yet all those armed Germans didn’t do a thing to stop Hitler—in fact they helped keep order.

Same with the South. Armed Southerners didn’t free black slaves. In fact, they helped keep order.

Guns help tyrants.

— Rep. Steven Woodrow (@WoodrowForCO) May 8, 2023

posted by justincredible

This is quite the tweet.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12056673/How-woke-mob-Nebraska-drove-white-military-vet-suicide-killing-black-man.html

So the reparations panel in California has approved up to $1.2mil per black residents. This makes me wonder about a few things.

- "up to" is a curious phrase. I'm wondering what will be the qualifier between getting $100 or $1.2mil. How are they going to determine that and who will determine it? Will it be determined on annual income, address or perhaps education level?

- Will interracial people be excluded from this or will the One Drop Rule be in play?

- How will they determine if the person's ancestry was from an African region/tribe that was selling the slaves to Europeans or if they were from the region/tribe that was being sold?

- Moving forward in time, will the people who are descended from the Les Gens de Couleur be excluded?

- Based on what you look like, you will get money?

My point in raising these types of questions all goes back to the way it was phrased: "up to". My guess is that there will be perimeters set up to largely avoid paying out anything. People might have to pay to have things things researched and will cost them more money than whatever the check amount is worth.

California has changed so drastically since I lived there, that I have a hard time trying to imagine how this will play out if it actually comes to fruition. It currently is a shithole. If this actually happens, I'm extremely curious, and even anticipatory, to see how this will translate to further decay of the state of things.

Setting aside the obvious questions about who should qualify and who should pay (I'm 4th generation American - why should I pay anything?), the amount is an interesting debate.

On one hand, punitive damages are typical, up to about 3X, but in this case both the offenders and victims are long gone, and society has already move to correct inequities.

And one of the arguments is about "generational or inherited wealth".  Ummm, OK.  The median value of estates for men is about $70k.  So it's REALLY hard to get to $1.2M, especially when you consider those jobs would have been unskilled, low wage jobs.

You can talk about redlining and some other things. I tend to think $100k would be about the max.  But as with most windfalls, that money will be wasted unless you only grant it for home equity, student loans, etc..

I don't care what California decides to do about or with reparations. I'm more curious as to, now that they've laid out the bait, how they will get out of paying. There's going to be some sort of fine print to stifle check cutting. Government always finds a way to make something cost prohibitive to carrying out promises and usually the cost isn't worth the promise.

I suppose some sort of "moral victory" will be enough of a satisfier for votes. 

posted by CenterBHSFan

I suppose some sort of "moral victory" will be enough of a satisfier for votes. 

It's almost like they didn't really think this through.  They just keep stringing it along dangling that carrot....until you realize "shit, there's no going back from here".

It's going to be a complete shit show when people get 10% of that (likely much less), or nothing at all. And then the next generation gets nothing, but will still be very much aggrieved.  Then what?

Historically reparations paid by those not directly responsible for the wrong to those not directly affected by the wrong breeds resentment that inevitably results in violence.

As expected, the mind virus is spreading.

https://twitter.com/DCAttorneyGen/status/1655656702614577167?s=20

posted by CenterBHSFan

As expected, the mind virus is spreading.

Wouldn't be the first time regulation/policy just completely ignores the level of exposure, which should be kind of like THE main criteria.

Just declare something you don't like to be "bad", and then find some junk science so you can say "I believe the experts!"

Looks like it's fair game if you'd like to rob this dude's house...

Today, I’m announcing legislation to limit use of guns by security guards. We must amend local law to prohibit guards from drawing weapons just to protect property. Human life is more important than property. pic.twitter.com/A3KsOp8yTd

— Dean Preston (@DeanPreston) May 9, 2023

LOL  - went to CNN and MSN this afternoon and both had at least half a dozen articles on Trump's liable judgement.  Scroll WAY down both and there's one article about the Repub conference on Biden's influence peddling scheme.

I also don't think it's a coincidence that the Santos indictment was announced this morning.

C'mon, make A LITTLE effort media.

Funny watching the legacy media whine about Elon turning Twitter into a "right-wing" site after Tucker announced he was bringing his show to the platform. Meanwhile, in the real world:

Have you considered doing your show on this platform? Maybe worth a try. Audience is much bigger.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) May 10, 2023

I've always been a little skeptical of Musk's business sense, but hearing what a leftwing cesspool Twitter had become it's easy to see how he can chop 1/2 the workforce with no impact.

Now you could call this luck with Tucker and Lemon (not sure anyone will watch him on Twitter, either)....but I suppose anyone paying a little attention predicted something like this would happen soon (and has been happening for some time).

There is obviously a lot of problems with the internet and how people get their news.  But that doesn't justify censorship.  I feel like 30 years ago if you were losing the debate, then you worked on your messaging.  But now they just do everything they can to silence the opposition, including lawsuits.

Ironically enough, it might be Trump that is keeping the Dems from getting absolutely shellacked in elections.  Your media blew all its credibility and lost its ability to influence...fortunately for them most of their voters are still willing to turn out to vote against Trump and MAGA.  I think Desantis election proves this, although not sure he can beat Trump in the primary.  But FLA didn't become overwhelmingly Republican overnight - media attempts to make Desantis "scarier than Trump" failed ginormously.

posted by gut

LOL  - went to CNN and MSN this afternoon and both had at least half a dozen articles on Trump's liable judgement.  Scroll WAY down both and there's one article about the Repub conference on Biden's influence peddling scheme.

I also don't think it's a coincidence that the Santos indictment was announced this morning.

C'mon, make A LITTLE effort media.

Well, I think we all know that the media will be almost completely in lockstep for Biden.  Even the most die hard vote blue no matter who types can't use the trusty deflection of muh FOX news!, anymore. 

*Edit to add*

They are still somewhat hiding it hahaha! Below is from CNN.com (ignore my internet being slow right now and taking forever to load pics)

posted by justincredible

Looks like it's fair game if you'd like to rob this dude's house...

Today, I’m announcing legislation to limit use of guns by security guards. We must amend local law to prohibit guards from drawing weapons just to protect property. Human life is more important than property. pic.twitter.com/A3KsOp8yTd

— Dean Preston (@DeanPreston) May 9, 2023

Fact-check: your life is worth much less than my property. 

To further the Biden allegations news:

MSNBC - top 9 stories are all about Trump

posted by CenterBHSFan

To further the Biden allegations news:

MSNBC - top 9 stories are all about Trump

Well, to be fair after 6+ years they finally got themselves a little piece of Trump's scalp.

I think he will, and should, be indicted over Georgia.  But I'm still laughing that after dozens and dozens of investigations they've only managed a single BS charge that very likely could be thrown out.

Well, CNN is now on The Shit List. How dare they let political opposition be heard!

There is simply no way CNN can feign ignorance about the fact that they set up a sexual assault victim to be targeted and attacked on national television a day after the verdict.

People were sounding the alarm about this exact scenario. They let it happen anyway without a plan.

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) May 11, 2023

CNN should be ashamed of themselves.

They have lost total control of this “town hall” to again be manipulated into platforming election disinformation, defenses of Jan 6th, and a public attack on a sexual abuse victim.

The audience is cheering him on and laughing at the host.

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) May 11, 2023

posted by gut

LOL  - went to CNN and MSN this afternoon and both had at least half a dozen articles on Trump's liable judgement.  Scroll WAY down both and there's one article about the Repub conference on Biden's influence peddling scheme.

I also don't think it's a coincidence that the Santos indictment was announced this morning.

C'mon, make A LITTLE effort media.

The Santos indictment occurred right on queue ..................anything to deflect from the millions and millions everyone in the biden family skimmed in their bribery/extortion scheme. 

And of course, the debt ceiling bullshit is getting far more play than it would otherwise.  

posted by gut

LOL  - went to CNN and MSN this afternoon and both had at least half a dozen articles on Trump's liable judgement.  Scroll WAY down both and there's one article about the Repub conference on Biden's influence peddling scheme.

I also don't think it's a coincidence that the Santos indictment was announced this morning.

C'mon, make A LITTLE effort media.

I mean, on the flip side, out of curiosity, I just went on Fox News and after scrolling down a good ways, I hadn't seen anything on Santos and the only Trump stuff involved last night's CNN Town Hall (three articles that I saw -- one about the deal, one about a Pub representative sparring with CNN hosts after it and one about Libs Mad because it was CNN hosting it), but Biden stuff (border, family getting paid) was pretty prominent.

We live in a day now where national news media outlets focus on what will rile up their core base. Much like how politicians are more focused on firing up their base than actually doing anything that people in general care about because it's apparently more useful for them to have 10% of the people fired up than 50+% reasonably satisfied. It's all a clusterfuck where if you're not one of the loud "useful idiots" in the bag for either the hard right or hard left, it's frustrating to even pay attention to most anything because you can read/hear about one particular event from two or more sources and get such wildly differing stories that you're actually kind of astounded that they're about the same thing.

posted by Heretic

I mean, on the flip side, out of curiosity, I just went on Fox News and after scrolling down a good ways, I hadn't seen anything on Santos and the only Trump stuff involved last night's CNN Town Hall

Working from home and watched Fox in the afternoon (the only real news left)...multiple stories on Santos. Generally I find the website of CNN to be much better than their network, and the opposite for Fox (their afternoon news is much better than the web coverage).

Granted, it's a window most people don't watch, but Fox still has a handful of actual journalist who have been much, much better than the folks on CNN and elsewhere.  To be fair, those are the same journos causing people like Quaker to leave Fox.

posted by gut

Working from home and watched Fox in the afternoon (the only real news left)...multiple stories on Santos. Generally I find the website of CNN to be much better than their network, and the opposite for Fox (their afternoon news is much better than the web coverage).

Granted, it's a window most people don't watch, but Fox still has a handful of actual journalist who have been much, much better than the folks on CNN and elsewhere.  To be fair, those are the same journos causing people like Quaker to leave Fox.

I can see that. If anything, I was a bit surprised by just how "tabloid" the Fox site looked in its presentation, even including a few nothingburger stories that included little quip one-liners over the picture near the top ("Angry vegan pens irate letter after neighbor holds backyard BBQ party" with "Take a grill pill" superimposed over the pic as one of the top stories). But that also was the first time I've visited any of the major news network sites (or looked at anything put out by said news groups since I tend to avoid any of those channels like the plague) in forever, so they all could be that way. 

I believe that Fox does have real TV journalists, though. The whole voting machine lawsuit kind of brought out how the late-night hosts and some of the suits were pissed off at some of their news people due to them refusing to buy into the stolen election lies they were trying to peddle for ratings even if they also didn't actually believe them. Of course, like you said, those people not buying in are why a certain demo is dumping Fox because way too many people are only interesting in hearing what they want to hear and anything contrary to that obviously has to be a lie.