Liberals bending over backwards to pretend they don’t know how to define a woman is not the winning message they think it is. Only lunatics refer to mothers as “birthing people”.
posted by iclfan2Liberals bending over backwards to pretend they don’t know how to define a woman is not the winning message they think it is. Only lunatics refer to mothers as “birthing people”.
Birthing people is a dumb argument. But, it does seem like everyone is confusing sex and gender. They are different.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Birthing people is a dumb argument. But, it does seem like everyone is confusing sex and gender. They are different.
Correct, and people should live how they wish. However, participation in sports should be based on sex, not gender. I'm tired of hearing about how wonderful it is that the 400th best person at a sporting event can "transition" and take a spot from a woman with far more talent but with the natural disparity in physical attributes.
posted by iclfan2Liberals bending over backwards to pretend they don’t know how to define a woman is not the winning message they think it is.
It's pretty ridiculous watching Jackson dodge some of these questions. Sex and gender is, I think, a pretty pertinent question to ask a SCOTUS nominee, and her refusal to answer almost borders on disqualification.
I'm no biologist, but...
posted by gutIt's pretty ridiculous watching Jackson dodge some of these questions. Sex and gender is, I think, a pretty pertinent question to ask a SCOTUS nominee, and her refusal to answer almost borders on disqualification.
Every single nominee dodges questions. Always have, and most likely always will. Each opposing side always says they dodged questions.
posted by queencitybuckeyeCorrect, and people should live how they wish. However, participation in sports should be based on sex, not gender. I'm tired of hearing about how wonderful it is that the 400th best person at a sporting event can "transition" and take a spot from a woman with far more talent but with the natural disparity in physical attributes.
I'd say there are a lot of assumptions built into your statement. It's a complicated issue there usually gets boiled down to political talking points. I think the governor of Utah's veto statement the other day was a pretty good way to address the issue.
posted by ptown_trojans_1I'd say there are a lot of assumptions built into your statement. It's a complicated issue there usually gets boiled down to political talking points. I think the governor of Utah's veto statement the other day was a pretty good way to address the issue.
What was I "assuming"?
posted by queencitybuckeyeWhat was I "assuming"?
Assuming the person transitioned to improve their position in sports. You implied that in your post.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Every single nominee dodges questions. Always have, and most likely always will. Each opposing side always says they dodged questions.
No one has ever so blatantly dodged a question that simple and relevant.
posted by gutNo one has ever so blatantly dodged a question that simple and relevant.
Oh I'm sure some others have recently. Come on.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Assuming the person transitioned to improve their position in sports. You implied that in your post.
The implication is yours, not mine. I don't care why she transitioned, the reasons for doing so have nothing to do with a biological male participating in women's sports being unfair to biological women.
posted by ptown_trojans_1I'd say there are a lot of assumptions built into your statement. It's a complicated issue there usually gets boiled down to political talking points. I think the governor of Utah's veto statement the other day was a pretty good way to address the issue.
It's not complicated.
posted by queencitybuckeyeCorrect, and people should live how they wish. However, participation in sports should be based on sex, not gender. I'm tired of hearing about how wonderful it is that the 400th best person at a sporting event can "transition" and take a spot from a woman with far more talent but with the natural disparity in physical attributes.
Truth -- with no built-in assumptions that I saw, either. I'd say that anyone making the assumption dude became a lady in order to get good at sports is on about the same intellectual level as the people playing the social media outrage card and acting like anyone with any issue to any of this is all about the transphobia. When it comes to athletics, high-level men have strength and speed advantages over high-level women, which was shown when a guy who was college-level, but not exceptional (ranked in the 400s, as I recall) was able to do things like, oh, beat Olympic-tier athletes after transitioning.
Which turns things into an awkward situation where it's obvious that Thomas' current athletic success is determined by the physicality developed when a man while going up against those who didn't exist under those terms. I mean, are female athletes just supposed to work their asses off and hope that the roulette wheel doesn't go against them and all their work means they won't get stuck behind someone who, a couple years ago, wouldn't even be in a woman's race? Or just let everything go and pump themselves up on more steroids than the East Germans back in the day, so they can compete on equal footing?
here are the times for reference.
1650
Lia pre-transition: 14:54.765
Lia post-transition: 15:59.71 (lost 65 seconds)
Male record: 14:12.08 (Kieran Smith)
Female record: 15:03:31 (Katie Ledecky)
She was 40 seconds behind the male record, now she is 56 behind the female
500
Lia's best pre-transition, 4:18:72
Lia's current, 4:34:06
Female record (Katie Ledecky), 4:24:06
Male record (Kieran Smith), 4:06:32
200
Prior to transition 1:39.31
Male record, 1:29.15
After transition 1:41.93
Female record of 1:39.10
posted by geeblockhere are the times for reference.
1650
Lia pre-transition: 14:54.765
Lia post-transition: 15:59.71 (lost 65 seconds)
Male record: 14:12.08 (Kieran Smith)
Female record: 15:03:31 (Katie Ledecky)
She was 40 seconds behind the male record, now she is 56 behind the female
500
Lia's best pre-transition, 4:18:72
Lia's current, 4:34:06
Female record (Katie Ledecky), 4:24:06
Male record (Kieran Smith), 4:06:32
200
Prior to transition 1:39.31
Male record, 1:29.15
After transition 1:41.93
Female record of 1:39.10
Comparing world records is disingenuous, compare to NCAA records and current season’s bests as that is the level she was swimming at.
Biologically she has an advantage over every woman she swam against this year at the NCAA level.
posted by geeblockhere are the times for reference.
1650
Lia pre-transition: 14:54.765
Lia post-transition: 15:59.71 (lost 65 seconds)
Male record: 14:12.08 (Kieran Smith)
Female record: 15:03:31 (Katie Ledecky)
She was 40 seconds behind the male record, now she is 56 behind the female
500
Lia's best pre-transition, 4:18:72
Lia's current, 4:34:06
Female record (Katie Ledecky), 4:24:06
Male record (Kieran Smith), 4:06:32
200
Prior to transition 1:39.31
Male record, 1:29.15
After transition 1:41.93
Female record of 1:39.10
This is like a male track athlete transitioning and winning womens track events and justifying it by saying she still isn’t as fast as Jackie Joyner.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieThis is like a male track athlete transitioning and winning womens track events and justifying it by saying she still isn’t as fast as Jackie Joyner.
Exactly, Geeblock fails again
posted by jmogExactly, Geeblock fails again
Lol I wasn’t trying to say anything just providing data for you lol Jesus
posted by geeblockLol I wasn’t trying to say anything just providing data for you lol Jesus
Sure…🤪
Is this the peak coverage/attention of “women’s” swimming? Y’all are in DEEP.
posted by AutomatikIs this the peak coverage/attention of “women’s” swimming? Y’all are in DEEP.
Perhaps there's a larger issue in play.
posted by jmogSure…🤪
Dude it’s a discussion board not an argument board. Stop trying to argue about everything. How can u have a discussion if you hadn’t seen the times. I hadn’t seen them till the day before yesterday and I assumed many hadn’t. I don’t disagree with what others have already stated on this board, but don’t feel strongly about it as far as my opinion goes on the situation.
Thanks for the information. It would be interesting to see what the times look like for those who she is currently competing against in addition to the all-time best.
Everyone hatin' when it's so obvious a non-aerodynamic penis will slow you down in the water.