posted by ptown_trojans_1

Not accepting, but at the very least understanding, which you seem do not want to even do. Just saying nope, not normal is a closed off way to think of it. 

Normal changes. Gay wasn't normal 10-15 years ago and is considered normal now by most of the country. 

You also are assuming the worst with the school, that they are trying to push an agenda, when we don't know that for sure. Maybe they are, maybe not. We don't know. 

If you think a 7th grader isn't ready or thinking about that or anything else going on with their body,  wow you are sheltered. 

Gay wasnt normal 10 years ago?  Jesus you arent bright

posted by jmog

Its a fact that the suicide rates are insanely high for teens that are questioning their gender, its north of 50%. So saying that as a parent, he wants to KNOW if their kid is expressing these statements and get them to a therapist/psychiatrist to make sure everything is "ok" is the DEFINITION of a good parent.

You calling him transphobic for having these beliefs once again shows you are no where near a moderate like you claim to be. You keep proving us all right. Being a moderate in San Fran or DC is still a left wing liberal.

Oh I'm not questioning that 1st part. I would agree that is a good parent. There is also a lot about this case we do not know, so we are projecting our own bias on the story. 

 I'm questioning the fact that he will not or cannot accept or understand someone that is different. 

Also, yes we keep stating that high suicide rate and maybe by accepting and understanding those kids can we reduce it. Yet, the constant I don't want my kid to even be exposed to do it does nothing by shoving it to the darkness. 

I'll admit to be very liberal on this topic. But then I will admit I have been exposed to a lot over the years and lived and worked with that community. 

You also do know it is possible to have different views on topics on the political spectrum right? 

My overall view on this can be applied to this thread as a whole. It is a lot of assumptions and worst case thinking and jumping to conclusions. Oh my thus school districts or progressive is doing something evil, they want to do it here! 

The left is guilty of the same thing, I think we all can agree to that. 

I think a lot of this is just simply not understanding or being able to see any common ground on issues. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Oh hey, welcome back, got anything else to add? 

I have been around. Yes, I am legitimately curious if this is a new schtick, because you’re bored.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Oh I'm not questioning that 1st part. I would agree that is a good parent. There is also a lot about this case we do not know, so we are projecting our own bias on the story. 

 I'm questioning the fact that he will not or cannot accept or understand someone that is different. 

Also, yes we keep stating that high suicide rate and maybe by accepting and understanding those kids can we reduce it. Yet, the constant I don't want my kid to even be exposed to do it does nothing by shoving it to the darkness. 

I'll admit to be very liberal on this topic. But then I will admit I have been exposed to a lot over the years and lived and worked with that community. 

You also do know it is possible to have different views on topics on the political spectrum right? 

My overall view on this can be applied to this thread as a whole. It is a lot of assumptions and worst case thinking and jumping to conclusions. Oh my thus school districts or progressive is doing something evil, they want to do it here! 

The left is guilty of the same thing, I think we all can agree to that. 

I think a lot of this is just simply not understanding or being able to see any common ground on issues. 

Studies have shown that the suicide rates of transgenders doesn’t change if they are in an “accepting” home or not. It doesn’t even change after they have the surgery.

The liberal excuse for the insanely high suicide rate is completely illogical “well if they weren’t bullied”. Jews under Nazi Germany is the epitome of “oppressed” and “bullied” and their suicide rates were lower than transgender people. 

There is a reason that until like 5 minutes ago it was considered by the American psychiatric association and their DSM as a mental disorder in the same “body dismorphia” categories as anorexia is. Their brain is “lying” to them about the reality of their body.

I don’t know when the last time you have been in a school but teachers aren’t pushing kids to be trans 

posted by geeblock

I don’t know when the last time you have been in a school but teachers aren’t pushing kids to be trans 

No body is saying they are pushing kids to be trans.

They are saying that they are teaching kids about questioning your gender and how gender is “fluid” which in a developing brain can cause confusion.

No issues with adults doing and living however they want. But school is supposed to be about reading, math, history, etc, not gender psychological issues. Let kids learn about psychology of gender in college if they wish.

If and how much children are taught about such subjects should be 100% up to the parents.

posted by geeblock

I don’t know when the last time you have been in a school but teachers aren’t pushing kids to be trans 

There are some rotten apples, but I wouldn't say it's going on at every school in the nation.  Just like teachers having sexual relationships with their students.  A few rotten apples, but not all teachers are doing it.  The bigger issue (at least for me) is there a growing trend of people, who seem to believe that parents should not be informed nor make decisions regarding their children's lives.  

posted by like_that

There are some rotten apples, but I wouldn't say it's going on at every school in the nation.  Just like teachers having sexual relationships with their students.  A few rotten apples, but not all teachers are doing it.  The bigger issue (at least for me) is there a growing trend of people, who seem to believe that parents should not be informed nor make decisions regarding their children's lives.  

I agree with everything you said. Not even most teachers, just a few are pushing this political agenda. If anyone wants to say "it isn't happening" then they are not paying attention to what actual teachers are saying they teach on TikTok , Instagram, and Twitter. Its out there as proof they are pushing this agenda.

But I am also with you, the bigger problem is the growing sentament that "parents shouldn't know" what is being taught to THEIR children. The children are not the government's children.

I hate some of this stuff that goes on. But I am of the opinion that it isn’t new - bad apples with agendas have always been around.  But social media makes it way easier to find these instances than in the past.  It gives a false picture of reality in my opinion.  24/7 news outlets -also with an agenda - perpetuate it.  

lol

posted by justincredible

lol

Was that picture taken with a potato or just badly photoshopped?

Either way, those 2 are the only reason the country isn't worse right now and that the Ds aren't going to fair even worse than they are in November. 

Just my opionion.

posted by jmog

Was that picture taken with a potato or just badly photoshopped?

Looks fine to me. Are you going blind, maybe?

🥇🥈

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Lol won by almost half a length. So inspiring.  🤡🤡

posted by justincredible

Looks fine to me. Are you going blind, maybe?

Apparently I had a terrible connection, looks fine now..apparently my router decided to be a potato for a minute.

posted by jmog

No body is saying they are pushing kids to be trans.

They are saying that they are teaching kids about questioning your gender and how gender is “fluid” which in a developing brain can cause confusion.

No issues with adults doing and living however they want. But school is supposed to be about reading, math, history, etc, not gender psychological issues. Let kids learn about psychology of gender in college if they wish.

If and how much children are taught about such subjects should be 100% up to the parents.

Simply not true 

posted by geeblock

Simply not true 

Which part?

posted by justincredible

Which part?

2nd paragraph  

posted by geeblock

Simply not true 

Which part, there were 4 paragraphs and multiple statements made. Care to elaborate?

posted by jmog

Which part, there were 4 paragraphs and multiple statements made. Care to elaborate?

posted by geeblock

2nd paragraph  

Yes, there are many teachers that are. If you don’t believe this then you aren’t paying attention.

I did not say it was the norm, but it is most certainly happening all the way down to freaking preschool (that’s not a joke).

Too many stupid teachers admitting to it all over IG, TikTok, and Twitter and later being called out for it.

It is happening, didn’t say it was a majority.

Hope that helps.

posted by jmog

Yes, there are many teachers that are. If you don’t believe this then you aren’t paying attention.

I did not say it was the norm, but it is most certainly happening all the way down to freaking preschool (that’s not a joke).

Too many stupid teachers admitting to it all over IG, TikTok, and Twitter and later being called out for it.

It is happening, didn’t say it was a majority.

Hope that helps.

Ok well if it’s in tik tok lol 

Well I’ve been teaching in one of the largest school districts in thr us for 26 years and I have seen hundreds of transgender students come through our schools. 

Teachers just like society come from all sorts of backgrounds. There are just as many conservative teachers as there are liberal ones. Not one teacher alive wants to touch this subject or encourage a student to join a group that will be ostracized and bullied their entire lives. Not one student became trans because of something they learned at school. No one became gay because they saw someone kiss on tv or had two gay parents. 

These issues are brought into the schools from the outside. Teachers are just as uncomfortable dealing with it as you are. But when u see a group of students bullied 24/7 you may be referring to teachers stepping in and trying to make the school a more inclusive place for everyone. But no teachers aren’t pushing students to be trans or have any agenda. More likely students have always been there but are less afraid to show who they are. In my experience this is 100 percent something they are born with and has nothing to do with environmental factors. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Not accepting, but at the very least understanding, which you seem do not want to even do. Just saying nope, not normal is a closed off way to think of it. 

Normal changes. Gay wasn't normal 10-15 years ago and is considered normal now by most of the country. 

You also are assuming the worst with the school, that they are trying to push an agenda, when we don't know that for sure. Maybe they are, maybe not. We don't know. 

If you think a 7th grader isn't ready or thinking about that or anything else going on with their body,  wow you are sheltered. 

Gay is not "normal":  2% out of 100% is not "normal".  I think you meant to say that gay is accepted today, or more readily accepted by society.  And this is as it should be, we are taught by God to love others, despite our differences. 

posted by QuakerOats

Gay is not "normal":  2% out of 100% is not "normal".  I think you meant to say that gay is accepted today, or more readily accepted by society.

It’s no different than people born with six toes or webbed feet. Is it the norm? No does it happen? Yes. It’s really not that hard 

posted by geeblock

It’s no different than people born with six toes or webbed feet. Is it the norm? No does it happen? Yes. It’s really not that hard 

I agree; that was my point.