posted by like_that

Am I the only one that realizes QO has been trolling for years?  He has been very consistent, I will give him credit. 

The consistency, especially over all these years when even Sleeper abruptly changed his game and pulled a 180-degree turn from "heh, poors" to "everyone needs everything!!!", is what makes me wonder. I've thought out loud here a couple times that anyone that hilariously over the top with his pronouncements of imminent doom when Ds are in power and claims about how everything is on the road to perfection when Rs are in power is pretty likely to be a left-winger going all out to make Rs look like frothing lunatics, but damn, his dedication to the act is amazing!

My guess is that he's a devout right-winger who is legitimately partisan enough to believe his general talking points, but who takes his opinions up to 11 on here for personal amusement. At the least, though, he puts genuine effort and thought into being what he is, which puts him a few steps above the CCs, Capones and Tiernans of the world.

I do not think QO is trolling. Maybe slightly here and there, but his persona on here, I believe, is 100% him IRL. He’s the kind of person that probably has “OBAMA LIED” on a huge sign outside his house. 

posted by SportsAndLady

the kind of person that probably has “OBAMA LIED” on a huge sign outside his house. 

This made me laugh!

Jim Acosta walking beside the steel wall near McAllen, TX, wondering where the illegals are ………….thank you for proving our point.  The tweets are priceless.

posted by Heretic

The consistency, especially over all these years when even Sleeper abruptly changed his game and pulled a 180-degree turn from "heh, poors" to "everyone needs everything!!!", is what makes me wonder. I've thought out loud here a couple times that anyone that hilariously over the top with his pronouncements of imminent doom when Ds are in power and claims about how everything is on the road to perfection when Rs are in power is pretty likely to be a left-winger going all out to make Rs look like frothing lunatics, but damn, his dedication to the act is amazing!

My guess is that he's a devout right-winger who is legitimately partisan enough to believe his general talking points, but who takes his opinions up to 11 on here for personal amusement. At the least, though, he puts genuine effort and thought into being what he is, which puts him a few steps above the CCs, Capones and Tiernans of the world.

posted by SportsAndLady

I do not think QO is trolling. Maybe slightly here and there, but his persona on here, I believe, is 100% him IRL. He’s the kind of person that probably has “OBAMA LIED” on a huge sign outside his house. 

The fact that QO doesn't even react to anyone responding to him leads me to believe it's an act. He even gets called out by conservatives and he just presses on. Also add in the fact he has been increasingly posting the type of shit that gets on everyone elses nerves (i.e. simple copy and paste job with no context). 

CC on the other hand, is 100% a real life partisan hack. 

posted by like_that

 

posted by SportsAndLady

I do not think QO is trolling. Maybe slightly here and there, but his persona on here, I believe, is 100% him IRL. He’s the kind of person that probably has “OBAMA LIED” on a huge sign outside his house. 

The fact that QO doesn't even react to anyone responding to him leads me to believe it's an act. He even gets called out by conservatives and he just presses on. Also add in the fact he has been increasingly posting the type of shit that gets on everyone elses nerves (i.e. simple copy and paste job with no context). 

CC on the other hand, is 100% a real life partisan hack. 

 

no....not partisan.......I could care less about Roe v Wade, environemnt etc........I vote with my wallet.  

posted by like_that

 

posted by SportsAndLady

I do not think QO is trolling. Maybe slightly here and there, but his persona on here, I believe, is 100% him IRL. He’s the kind of person that probably has “OBAMA LIED” on a huge sign outside his house. 

The fact that QO doesn't even react to anyone responding to him leads me to believe it's an act. He even gets called out by conservatives and he just presses on. Also add in the fact he has been increasingly posting the type of shit that gets on everyone elses nerves (i.e. simple copy and paste job with no context). 

CC on the other hand, is 100% a real life partisan hack. 

 

You guys on some kind of goose chase?

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

Jim Acosta walking beside the steel wall near McAllen, TX, wondering where the illegals are ………….thank you for proving our point.  The tweets are priceless.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cnns-jim-acosta-mocked-for-accidently-proving-that-border-walls-work

LMAO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QurcAFMNAWs

Well stated

posted by QuakerOats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QurcAFMNAWs

 

 

Well stated

 

Why don't you respond to these questions?

• Prior to around 1920, anyone who showed up here was allowed in (except Asians).  Why do we not extend that same opportunity to the people who want to come here today?
• How will a wall reduce drug smuggling when the DEA affirms that most drugs entering the country illegally do so at border checkpoints?
• Taken as a whole, illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than the general population.  So how does building a wall along the southern border make us safer?
• The US State Department reports that there is not one case of terrorist groups using the southern border as an entryway to the US.  So how will a wall reduce the threat of terrorism.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Why don't you respond to these questions?

• Prior to around 1920, anyone who showed up here was allowed in (except Asians).  Why do we not extend that same opportunity to the people who want to come here today?
• How will a wall reduce drug smuggling when the DEA affirms that most drugs entering the country illegally do so at border checkpoints?
• Taken as a whole, illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than the general population.  So how does building a wall along the southern border make us safer?
• The US State Department reports that there is not one case of terrorist groups using the southern border as an entryway to the US.  So how will a wall reduce the threat of terrorism.  

1 - We remain the most welcoming nation in the world; we naturalize approximately three-quarters of a million people per year.

2 - A wall will allow most resources to be deployed to the areas where the majority of drugs are crossing.  90% of the heroin and opioids come from south of the border.

3 – False.  In Arizona alone the criminal rate is twice that of US-born citizens.

4 – Semantics.  Does MS-13 terrorize the citizens and neighborhoods they occupy.  Are open borders not an invitation for any terrorist to obtain entry?  Does common sense ever come in to play with liberals?

Will any liberal here admit that the current standoff is the result of one thing, and one thing only:  personal hatred toward Trump?

posted by QuakerOats

Will any liberal here admit that the current standoff is the result of one thing, and one thing only:  personal hatred toward Trump?

I mean, I'm not liberal, and I don't even agree with you on the wall, but this is pretty accurate (some of it stems from the existing polarization of the parties, regardless of who is in office).  The wall and tight border security has been a talking point since AT LEAST Bush 1.  I don't remember further than that, but every president has talked about ensuring a strong border, in many cases even talking about allocating additional funds to the border.  Daddy Bush did it.  Clinton did it.  Son Bush did it.  Obama did it.  They all talked about it at one time or another, all in support of more security on the border.

For it to suddenly be a problem, PARTICULARLY among politicians who have been in office during the tenures of most of those presidents, is ludicrous.

posted by QuakerOats

 

Will any liberal here admit that the current standoff is the result of one thing, and one thing only:  personal hatred toward Trump?

given the political climate it could partially be this. 

Or it could be that D's think the wall is a monumental waste of money and that the wall money could be sunk into something more effective/useful.

Would it be a good idea to start a thread about QO so that people can air their grievances or frustrations with them? Or make their jokes or whatever they want to point out to him on any given moment.
Because he's going to do what he does regardless if you can ignore it or not.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

1 - We remain the most welcoming nation in the world; we naturalize approximately three-quarters of a million people per year.

 

2 - A wall will allow most resources to be deployed to the areas where the majority of drugs are crossing.  90% of the heroin and opioids come from south of the border.

 

3 – False.  In Arizona alone the criminal rate is twice that of US-born citizens.

 

4 – Semantics.  Does MS-13 terrorize the citizens and neighborhoods they occupy.  Are open borders not an invitation for any terrorist to obtain entry?  Does common sense ever come in to play with liberals?

 

1. You didn't answer the question.  Most of the people coming from south of the border wouldn't qualify for any of the visa options currently available.  If they don't have a sponsor, are highly skilled or have family in the US, their wait is measured in years or decades.  Why were our relatives allowed to become citizens simply by showing up, but we don't extend this same opportunity to those who come after?

2. By having more resources available at checkpoints, the flow of drugs will stop?  Won't cartels with billions of dollars at their disposal always be able to find ways to bring drugs into the US?

3. The crime rate among illegal immigrants is lower than the US as a whole - I"m not isolating Arizona.  How does the wall change that?

4. Most members of MS-13 are American born and didn't come across the border.   How does the wall help that?

posted by QuakerOats

 

Will any liberal here admit that the current standoff is the result of one thing, and one thing only:  personal hatred toward Trump?

This is misdirection.  According to this logic, anytime someone disagrees with Trump, it is because of personal hatred only.  

I don't like Trump.  I don't like Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer either.  Trump is the one who make the wall an urgent issue.  People are allowed to have opinions on the matter based on facts of the case.  

posted by QuakerOats

 

Will any liberal here admit that the current standoff is the result of one thing, and one thing only:  personal hatred toward Trump?

Since I am a liberal on here....No...

I just think the wall is a stupid idea and shutting down part of the government is also stupid. 

The time, effort, and money could be used for more effective means and methods to address the issues at the southern border. Building a wall is a giant waste of time and money. It's the perfect case of a government boondoggle. You really think that wall is going to be built on time and budget? Please....

It also takes away from the more important issue of immigration reform. Immigration reform would address more of the concerns and issues than a wall. But, no one wants to address that. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

This is misdirection.  According to this logic, anytime someone disagrees with Trump, it is because of personal hatred only.  

 

I don't like Trump.  I don't like Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer either.  Trump is the one who make the wall an urgent issue.  People are allowed to have opinions on the matter based on facts of the case.  

The facts are people still come through the border and a wall still prevents that, regardless if it is the best option. They are only doing this because they refuse to agree with Trump. These same people, and probably you, balk at $5B, but are willing to try to fund Trillions for a "Green" new deal or single payer. Don't pretend it has anything to do with caring about the dollar amount.

posted by iclfan2

The facts are people still come through the border and a wall still prevents that, regardless if it is the best option. They are only doing this because they refuse to agree with Trump. These same people, and probably you, balk at $5B, but are willing to try to fund Trillions for a "Green" new deal or single payer. Don't pretend it has anything to do with caring about the dollar amount.

Similarly there was no emergency for the two years the gop had control of the house or even the last budget when they also denied the wall money 🤦‍♀️. He is using the issue to rally his base and get re elec

posted by geeblock

Similarly there was no emergency for the two years the gop had control of the house or even the last budget when they also denied the wall money 🤦‍♀️. He is using the issue to rally his base and get re elec

I don't disagree. He could have done this anytime in the last 2 years. But downplaying border security to own the cons is stupid. Although half of them want open borders anyway.

posted by iclfan2

The facts are people still come through the border and a wall still prevents that, regardless if it is the best option. They are only doing this because they refuse to agree with Trump. These same people, and probably you, balk at $5B, but are willing to try to fund Trillions for a "Green" new deal or single payer. Don't pretend it has anything to do with caring about the dollar amount.

The whole thing is progressing on the assumption that: a) the "problems" Trump alleges illegals are causing are actually true; b) the wall will fix those problems.  Saying that people only disagree because they don't like Trump is ridiculous.  That logic means he can never be questioned on the facts.  

What does this have to do with green energy or healthcare - or with Thanksgiving dinner for that matter?

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Since I am a liberal on here....No...

I just think the wall is a stupid idea and shutting down part of the government is also stupid. 

The time, effort, and money could be used for more effective means and methods to address the issues at the southern border. Building a wall is a giant waste of time and money. It's the perfect case of a government boondoggle. You really think that wall is going to be built on time and budget? Please....

It also takes away from the more important issue of immigration reform. Immigration reform would address more of the concerns and issues than a wall. But, no one wants to address that. 

Lol....socwhen obama wanted the wall you were against him?

Money and time.....those words dont matter to the government.

Takes away from immigrant reform?  No its not about immigrants.  The wall is about illegal aliens.....2 different things

posted by Spock

Lol....socwhen obama wanted the wall you were against him?

 

Money and time.....those words dont matter to the government.

 

Takes away from immigrant reform?  No its not about immigrants.  The wall is about illegal aliens.....2 different things

Obama voted for a fence as a compromise that the gop stop propsed legislation that unauthorized immigrants and anyone that helped them would be charged with a criminal offense. Apple to oranges comparison 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

This is misdirection.  According to this logic, anytime someone disagrees with Trump, it is because of personal hatred only. 

I don't like Trump.  I don't like Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer either.  Trump is the one who make the wall an urgent issue.  People are allowed to have opinions on the matter based on facts of the case.  

Eh, I don't think the statement requires any disagreement to be rooted in an unwillingness to agree with Trump.  I read the statement to simply mean that he believes that to be the case here.

Based on the past, I'm generally inclined to agree in part, and I don't even support the building of the wall.
 

posted by iclfan2

The facts are people still come through the border and a wall still prevents that, regardless if it is the best option. They are only doing this because they refuse to agree with Trump. These same people, and probably you, balk at $5B, but are willing to try to fund Trillions for a "Green" new deal or single payer. Don't pretend it has anything to do with caring about the dollar amount.

Not I, but yes, many of them would be completely okay ... even supportive ... of the 70% tax rate proposed by AOC to pay for the "Green New Deal."