If it was such an emergency why didn’t all this happen in 2017 when the gop was in control? 🤷‍♂️

posted by geeblock

If it was such an emergency why didn’t all this happen in 2017 when the gop was in control? 🤷‍♂️

A couple reasons:

a. Government would have actually had to do something.

b. I believe the whole "Mexico is going to pay us back" lie was still being pushed.

c. There would be no proverbial fall guy for it costing so much.  Remember, Republicans still like to pretend they're the "small government" and "fiscal responsibility" party.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Since I am a liberal on here....No...

I just think the wall is a stupid idea and shutting down part of the government is also stupid. 

The time, effort, and money could be used for more effective means and methods to address the issues at the southern border. Building a wall is a giant waste of time and money. It's the perfect case of a government boondoggle. You really think that wall is going to be built on time and budget? Please....

It also takes away from the more important issue of immigration reform. Immigration reform would address more of the concerns and issues than a wall. But, no one wants to address that. 

Obama’s border patrol chief was on this morning and even he said he agreed with everything Trump is trying to do.  All the border agents I saw speak last week said the same thing.  So the people in the trenches want the wall, but you and Chuck and Nancy know better.   Gotcha.

BTW, Trump takes out Jamal al-Badawi ………..obviously the mainstream media was remiss in mentioning.

posted by Spock

Lol....socwhen obama wanted the wall you were against him?

 

Money and time.....those words dont matter to the government.

 

Takes away from immigrant reform?  No its not about immigrants.  The wall is about illegal aliens.....2 different things

Obama was not for a wall across the whole U.S. border. 

Good to know you fully support a project that is going to go way over time and budget. Shows you do not give a damn about the U.S. debt. 

Aliens=immigrates. I can't help you if you do not understand that. Building a wall without dealing with the broken system we have right now is just dumb. 

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

Obama’s border patrol chief was on this morning and even he said he agreed with everything Trump is trying to do.  All the border agents I saw speak last week said the same thing.  So the people in the trenches want the wall, but you and Chuck and Nancy know better.   Gotcha.

I'm sure they want border security, fine. But a wall is so dumb in that topography. 

I kinda just want the Ds to pass $10B for border security that includes more money for ports of entry, border guards, and tech, but state it will not include any of a wall . I wonder is Trump signs it? 

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

BTW, Trump takes out Jamal al-Badawi ………..obviously the mainstream media was remiss in mentioning.

 

Oh, I read that last week man. 

You are late to the party. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/jamal-al-badawi-who-led-attack-on-uss-cole-killed-in-us-airstrike-trump-says/2019/01/06/d6ceef78-11c8-11e9-b6ad-9cfd62dbb0a8_story.html?utm_term=.76077ede10d1

posted by ptown_trojans_1

 

Good to know you fully support a project that is going to go way over time and budget. Shows you do not give a damn about the U.S. debt. 

Most fake conservatives don't, but please don't tell me you are trying to imply that YOU actually care about the US debt.  LOL. 

posted by like_that

Most fake conservatives don't, but please don't tell me you are trying to imply that YOU actually care about the US debt.  LOL. 

Funny how the debt is a concern.  Ptown can GTFOH with that

posted by Spock

Funny how the debt is a concern.  Ptown can GTFOH with that

To be fair, his party doesn't champion itself as the party of "fiscal sanity."

That party would be the one trying to spend $5 billion+ on a defense tactic that was state-of-the-art about 6000 years ago.

posted by like_that

Most fake conservatives don't, but please don't tell me you are trying to imply that YOU actually care about the US debt.  LOL. 

I do actually. I'm not a bleeding heart spending liberal, but I'm also not a Grover Norquist folower or debt hawk either. 

There are things the government should spend money on, but also areas where they can really scale back, cut, and be more selective.  Like most things it is a balanced approach. I was actually a big fan of the Simpson-Bowles plan back in 2010. 

We should just be more smart about where we spend our border security dollars and not go over the big shiny thing. 

posted by Spock

Funny how the debt is a concern.  Ptown can GTFOH with that

Funny how you do not seem to care. 

posted by O-Trap

To be fair, his party doesn't champion itself as the party of "fiscal sanity."

That party would be the one trying to spend $5 billion+ on a defense tactic that was state-of-the-art about 6000 years ago.

To be fair, it is not my party. I am not a registered D, nor have I ever been affiliated with any political party. 

But, your last point is correct. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I do actually. I'm not a bleeding heart spending liberal, but I'm also not a Grover Norquist folower or debt hawk either. 

There are things the government should spend money on, but also areas where they can really scale back, cut, and be more selective.  Like most things it is a balanced approach. I was actually a big fan of the Simpson-Bowles plan back in 2010. 

We should just be more smart about where we spend our border security dollars and not go over the big shiny thing. 

I have been posting on the OC and JJhuddle for a long time.  I did not see you express concern for the debt ONCE during the Obama admin.  Just like every Obama fanboy/girl, I call bullshit that you genuinely care about the debt.  For most, spending is ok when their "team/guy" is doing it.  You all just justify it with "muh slightly less deficit."   At least boatshoes is consistent and loves himself government spending regardless of who is in charge.  I am sure he will reply to this post months later with a tl;dr post.  Also, shout out to me for remaining consistent on government spending and believing we need to scale back on everything regardless of who is in charge. 

I will keep your concern of the debt in mind when the single-payer debate heats up. 

posted by like_that

I have been posting on the OC and JJhuddle for a long time.  I did not see you express concern for the debt ONCE during the Obama admin.  Just like every Obama fanboy/girl, I call bullshit that you genuinely care about the debt.  For most, spending is ok when their "team/guy" is doing it.  You all just justify it with "muh slightly less deficit."   At least boatshoes is consistent and loves himself government spending regardless of who is in charge.  I am sure he will reply to this post months later with a tl;dr post.  Also, shout out to me for remaining consistent on government spending and believing we need to scale back on everything regardless of who is in charge. 

I will keep your concern of the debt in mind when the single-payer debate heats up. 

Well, you are wrong. I think I have been pretty consistent over the years. 

I took a look at the old OC archive and this is a post from me in 2010 from the old What would you cut from the budget?

http://archive.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?18953-What-would-you-cut-from-the-budget 

"What would I cut? 
I would eliminate all pork, earmarks, etc. 
I would raise the SS age gradually to 70 and cap the current benefits to the current $ amount. 
I would start to really tear into to contracts for the defense budget, elongating some of the timelines for big ticket projects as well as cap personal pay and freeze promotions. Encourage the DoD to really look at lowering the cost of their healthcare plans. 
I would tackle agricultural subsidies as they are way too large and have too much influence in the Congress. 
I would put a freeze on all federal pay at all levels."

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Well, you are wrong. I think I have been pretty consistent over the years. 

I took a look at the old OC archive and this is a post from me in 2010 from the old What would you cut from the budget?

http://archive.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?18953-What-would-you-cut-from-the-budget 

"What would I cut? 
I would eliminate all pork, earmarks, etc. 
I would raise the SS age gradually to 70 and cap the current benefits to the current $ amount. 
I would start to really tear into to contracts for the defense budget, elongating some of the timelines for big ticket projects as well as cap personal pay and freeze promotions. Encourage the DoD to really look at lowering the cost of their healthcare plans. 
I would tackle agricultural subsidies as they are way too large and have too much influence in the Congress. 
I would put a freeze on all federal pay at all levels."

 

I will give you half credit and say I stand corrected in respect to you suggesting where to cut.  You claiming you were legitimately concerned about the debt all along I have a hard time believing.  A thread about where to cut (because conservatives on the OC at the time were complaining about spending) isn't going to convince me it was top priority for you.  Otherwise we would have seen more posts criticizing every dem spending package (i.e. the porkulus bill).  If you were actually critical the entire time, then I am more than happy to admit I was wrong and congratulate you for not being a sheep.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Well, you are wrong. I think I have been pretty consistent over the years. 

I took a look at the old OC archive and this is a post from me in 2010 from the old What would you cut from the budget?

http://archive.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?18953-What-would-you-cut-from-the-budget 

"What would I cut? 
I would eliminate all pork, earmarks, etc. 
I would raise the SS age gradually to 70 and cap the current benefits to the current $ amount. 
I would start to really tear into to contracts for the defense budget, elongating some of the timelines for big ticket projects as well as cap personal pay and freeze promotions. Encourage the DoD to really look at lowering the cost of their healthcare plans. 
I would tackle agricultural subsidies as they are way too large and have too much influence in the Congress. 
I would put a freeze on all federal pay at all levels."

 

completely cut the Department of Ed.  Federal government doesnt need to be in local education

Bingo

posted by ptown_trojans_1

To be fair, it is not my party. I am not a registered D, nor have I ever been affiliated with any political party. 

But, your last point is correct.

I stand corrected on the party affiliation.  My mistake.
 

posted by Spock

completely cut the Department of Ed.  Federal government doesnt need to be in local education

But why shouldn't the authoritative power control and regulate what is taught to the general public, including what it's taught about that authoritative power?

I'm not exactly a conspiracy guy, but that's hardly a good precedent.  Then again, I think that's probably true about virtually any system of authority that requires the "right people" to hold the positions in it.

STUDY: Trump TV News 90% Negative in 2018...
 

sick

posted by QuakerOats

 

STUDY: Trump TV News 90% Negative in 2018...
 

 

 

sick

You're supposed to be posting this in the outraged thread.  And please don't let it distract you from your gillette boycot!

And Nutanix (NTNX) now over $52 …..train is leaving the station.

Have a great weekend; we’ll be snowed in …bigly

FARGO (KFGO) - Minnesota Democratic Congressman Collin Peterson is telling his Democratic colleagues to approve President Trump's request for funding a wall on the southern border. 

On KFGO's "News & Views," Peterson said approving Trump's request could help bring an end to an "unnecessary" government shutdown.

“Give Trump the money” Peterson said. “I’d give him the whole thing…and put strings on it so you make sure he puts the wall where it needs to be. Why are we fighting over this? We’re going to build that wall anyway, at some time.”

Peterson suggested that a portion of the money could be used to help the Border Patrol and to improve security measures at ports of entry.  “I don’t know if I want to give (Trump) a blank check, but I don’t want to preclude him from getting the money either, if he’s going to use the money correctly."

Peterson, the Chairman of the House Agriculture Committee, added “I don’t know how we get (to a deal).   The White House hasn’t called me. When I bring up what I have to say (to Democrats), they look at me cross-eyed.”

Trump is about to have McConnell vote in the senate to fund the wall and open the government.  Looks like they have the votes.  It them goes down to the house.  Nancy is being set up to look like a political fool if she cans it.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

posted by QuakerOats

 

How that workin out for ya today

Pretty good; up 270 this morning; up 13% since Christmas.

Take care.

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