posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Trump started the voting fraud stuff up as soon as he found out this was going to be a tough election. He planted the seed in minds like yours and now it's bearing fruit - albeit not strong enough to turn over an election. You got played. Just accept that and move on. 

No he started it up when all these Dems starting the mail in ballot crap.  The Pubs knew is was ripe for voter fraud and there is plenty of evidence of that.

posted by Spock

No he started it up when all these Dems starting the mail in ballot crap.  The Pubs knew is was ripe for voter fraud and there is plenty of evidence of that.

Again, no there isn’t. 

Main fraud I've been hearing of today is Trump calling Georgia dude to tell him to "find" 11-12K votes. At least after all the allegations, something actually was unearthed!!!

The phone call is awful, but it won’t go anywhere because we have a chicken shit Congress. 

posted by like_that

lol ok you tell yourself that to make yourself feel better.

As far as I know, Obama and Clinton did not lead the charge calling Trump illegitimate like Trump is and the Republicans are now.

That phone call to the GA secretary is pretty fucking bad. I think it is far worse and more blatant attempt to subvert democracy than anything the Ds have said or done. 

posted by Spock

No he started it up when all these Dems starting the mail in ballot crap.  The Pubs knew is was ripe for voter fraud and there is plenty of evidence of that.

Zero evidence. Zero.

Does the mail in voting also apply to Republican led GA and AZ? 

posted by wildcats20

The phone call is awful, but it won’t go anywhere because we have a chicken shit Congress. 

It also won’t go anywhere because people will only believe what they want to believe. 

posted by Fab4Runner

So 65% of the general population is really fucking stupid...shocker.

Agreed, I mean some people think going out to a restaurant is more dangerous for covid spread than going to a BLM protest...

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Sure, but I do not seem to remember this many Senators saying Trump was illegitimate.

I agree both have been bad, but it seems this Republican bullshit is a level above the Democrats the last four years. 

It it easy to say both sides, but really it seems one side is like a 6 in crazy and the other is an 8.

And this post just proves your bias. So you don’t think as many democrats in Congress were calling Trump illegitimate? Come on ptown, be honest.

I mean the freaking House impeached him over stuff they knew was fake. 

posted by Spock

No he started it up when all these Dems starting the mail in ballot crap.  The Pubs knew is was ripe for voter fraud and there is plenty of evidence of that.

Post a link to all the proof, and make sure the source isn’t Alex Jones or OAN. 

If you can’t post proof, stop talking about it.

And I am not talking about anecdotes like some 10 people who double voted in Cincinnati. I am talking fraud on a large enough scale to actually change the result in ANY state. That kind of level of fraud and post the proof.

If you can’t, stop talking about it.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

As far as I know, Obama and Clinton did not lead the charge calling Trump illegitimate like Trump is and the Republicans are now.

That phone call to the GA secretary is pretty fucking bad. I think it is far worse and more blatant attempt to subvert democracy than anything the Ds have said or done. 

Heard of the Steele dossier? Kind of started by Obama and Clinton which directly lead to 3.5 years of bull shit.  Come on ptown, Obama did it behind the scene and Clinton did as well.  They just didn’t do it on Twitter.

You are smarter that that.

posted by jmog

Heard of the Steele dossier? Kind of started by Obama and Clinton which directly lead to 3.5 years of bull shit.  Come on ptown, Obama did it behind the scene and Clinton did as well.  They just didn’t do it on Twitter.

You are smarter that that.

This.  So far, neutral ptown's point is the dems were much more sly about it and therefore nobody is allowed to use the "both sides argument."   I can see an argument for either side being slightly worse than the other (definetely not a couple notches ahead).   It was sort of my point that both sides let this spiral out of control at the expense of the country and there is no end in sight.  At the end of the day it's both embarrassing and disgraceful.

If neutral ptown wants to ignore the last 4 years  to make himself feel better about being a democrat then so be it, but it certainly is not surprising. 

Biden is bringing the band back together for his foreign policy.  I am looking forward to watching neutral ptown go from freaking out about neocon Bolton influencing foreign policy to neutral Ptown going completely silent when Biden dusts off the Obama neocon playbook of droning the middle east  every 20 minutes and expanding wars. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

As far as I know, Obama and Clinton did not lead the charge calling Trump illegitimate like Trump is and the Republicans are now.

That phone call to the GA secretary is pretty fucking bad. I think it is far worse and more blatant attempt to subvert democracy than anything the Ds have said or done. 

Are you one of those "Obama's only scandal was a tan suit" people?

posted by ptown_trojans_1

As far as I know, Obama and Clinton did not lead the charge calling Trump illegitimate like Trump is and the Republicans are now.

That phone call to the GA secretary is pretty fucking bad. I think it is far worse and more blatant attempt to subvert democracy than anything the Ds have said or done. 

Sheep just following what the media is telling you.  The media released 4 minutes of the 30 minute call.  Listen to the whole thing and have some context added to the left wing medias talking points.  

posted by jmog

Post a link to all the proof, and make sure the source isn’t Alex Jones or OAN. 

If you can’t post proof, stop talking about it.

And I am not talking about anecdotes like some 10 people who double voted in Cincinnati. I am talking fraud on a large enough scale to actually change the result in ANY state. That kind of level of fraud and post the proof.

If you can’t, stop talking about it.

How bout explaining the down ballot beating in the House?  You dont lose 17 house seats, only winning 17% of the counties in the country and still get 81,000,000 votes.  

The statistical anomalies in this election are laughable.

posted by Spock

The statistical anomalies in this election are laughable.

Either that or you're an idiot. I'll go with the latter.

posted by Spock

How bout explaining the down ballot beating in the House?  You dont lose 17 house seats, only winning 17% of the counties in the country and still get 81,000,000 votes.  

The statistical anomalies in this election are laughable.

Statistical anomalies are not proof. No doubt there are statistical anomalies but that isn’t proof.

You need to try harder.

Many republicans love conservatives but hate Trump due to his actions. 

Even in 2016 when he beat Hillary the HoR republicans lost 6 seats. So it’s not like the POTUS winner always carries the down ballot HoR.

Were you as upset about that anomaly? That the Rs lost 6 seats in the HoR in 2016 when Trump won?

posted by Spock

How bout explaining the down ballot beating in the House?  You dont lose 17 house seats, only winning 17% of the counties in the country and still get 81,000,000 votes.  

The statistical anomalies in this election are laughable.

Now the "% of counties" stuff only after it was introduced into the mix just recently. Never once have I ever heard a conservative talk about percentage of counties won until Trump's lawyers started in on it in December. Now it's cited by people as though it's been a barameter they've used for generations. For numerous reasons, it's a very stupid metric. 

I'll add statistical analysis to the list of your gifts. You're going to give Benjamin Franklin and Leonardo da Vinci a run for their money. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Now the "% of counties" stuff only after it was introduced into the mix just recently. Never once have I ever heard a conservative talk about percentage of counties won until Trump's lawyers started in on it in December. Now it's cited by people as though it's been a barameter they've used for generations. For numerous reasons, it's a very stupid metric. 

I'll add statistical analysis to the list of your gifts. You're going to give Benjamin Franklin and Leonardo da Vinci a run for their money. 

When it comes to POTUS elections, percentage of counties or even percentage of states is the meaningless conservative answer to the meaningless liberal popular vote. Just something to complain about that has zero to do with the actual election.

I just read that Trump will be awarding the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Rep. Jim Jordan.  Outstanding use of his last three weeks.  Spock, sit tight, you may get one too.  The threshold looks to be anyone who defends Trump in spite of their own personal foolishness.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I just read that Trump will be awarding the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Rep. Jim Jordan.  Outstanding use of his last three weeks.  Spock, sit tight, you may get one too.  The threshold looks to be anyone who defends Trump in spite of their own personal foolishness.  

I think that everyone could live with all of our presidents if this were how they spent 95% of their time.   What is he getting it for?

Side note: I got my ass kicked by Jim Jordan at his brother's wrestling camp.  He actually sent me a very nice handwritten letter after my wedding to congratulate me on my marriage.  /coolstory

posted by like_that

I think the everyone could live with all of our presidents if this were how they spent 95% of their time.   What is he getting it for?

Side note: I got my ass kicked by Jim Jordan at his brother's wrestling camp.  He actually sent me a very nice handwritten letter after my wedding to congratulate me on my marriage.  /coolstory

Yeah, that's a good story.  I don't know Jordan at all.  Just find it humorous when these presidents give these awards out like this to their sycophants.  Of course this doesn't touch Bill Clinton's pardoning frenzy in his final days.  But we'll see.  

posted by Heretic

Main fraud I've been hearing of today is Trump calling Georgia dude to tell him to "find" 11-12K votes. At least after all the allegations, something actually was unearthed!!!

And according to Carl Bernstein it's worse than Watergate.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Zero evidence. Zero.

Does the mail in voting also apply to Republican led GA and AZ? 

False ...yet again.

There is a ton of evidence.  The cases are not being tossed because of a lack of evidence, they are being tossed on legal technicalities such as lack of standing.

Huge difference, but libtards don't care because they have their deep state media running the show for them.

posted by majorspark

And according to Carl Bernstein it's worse than Watergate.

LOL

Can't wait; it will be worse than the Ukraine phone call. Hilarious.