posted by QuakerOats

By the way, isn't it ironic that the media decided to be outraged about this at exactly the precise time that Comey and the IG are being grilled on Capital Hill over the massive corruption at the FBI and DoJ.  Remarkable. 

yep.....the "manufactured" crisis all started the other day when the White house press room was buzzing about this.  CNN Jake Tapper started it all when he blew up and wouldnt shut up.  The story made headlines when he pushed the topic.  Once the ball kept rolling the media ran with it to stiffle the coverage on IG report.

How many liberals, with a deep pyschological need to be offended and outraged, are going to vote FOR Trump in 2020?  It would be like quitting heroin cold turkey - most aren't going to be able to do it.

posted by gut

How many liberals, with a deep pyschological need to be offended and outraged, are going to vote FOR Trump in 2020?  It would be like quitting heroin cold turkey - most aren't going to be able to do it.

 

I don't consider myself a liberal. But I probably won't be voting for Trump in '20. If I did, it would be because he did at least one or two friggen amazing things. So far I have not been wowed. We'll see.

Edit: Added "not" to the above. Somehow left a whole word out.

posted by Spock

Once the ball kept rolling the media ran with it to stiffle the coverage on IG report.

As if Trump could bite his tongue for 24 hours without burping out some other ridiculous distraction of his own.  Oh, wait, he already did that yesterday with his Space Farce declaration.

posted by QuakerOats

10,000 of the 12,000 'kids' were sent to this country, parent-less, by their parents.  Yes, you read that right.

Then there are no parents from which to separate those ones.  That's not particularly relevant to the kids who come WITH their parents, but it's never a bad idea to know your same size, I suppose.
 

posted by QuakerOats

The same thing occurred under obama, but the media protected him; while Trump is again trying to clean up problems that should have been solved years ago.  It is long past time to fix the illegal immigration problem.

Obama should have been treated the same way Trump is.  No disagreement there.

But the problem is not fixed by a rule whereby kids are forcibly removed from their parents.  Trump trying to pass off any responsibility for doing something about it by saying it was the Democrats' law, and that they're the ones who have to fix it, is terrifyingly nonsensical from the POTUS office.  The House, Senate, and White House are all currently right-swinging, so they absolutely have the ability to do something about it.  They just aren't.

Those seeking asylum can go to a port of entry.  Those knowingly illegally entering the country can and will likely be arrested.  Similarly, if I illegally break into another's home or business, I will be separated from my kids and incarcerated.  These are simple concepts. 

posted by Spock

yep.....the "manufactured" crisis all started the other day when the White house press room was buzzing about this.  CNN Jake Tapper started it all when he blew up and wouldnt shut up.  The story made headlines when he pushed the topic.  Once the ball kept rolling the media ran with it to stiffle the coverage on IG report.

The fake outrage to divert attention from the corruption at the highest levels of our justice department is literally appalling.  Actually it is God damn terrifying.  

posted by O-Trap

Obama should have been treated the same way Trump is.  No disagreement there.

The hypocrisy has reached absurd new heights.  Modern Family co-creator just said he'll be leaving Fox - the network - for daring to own Fox News (which, they won't own after the sale goes thru).

It's not about fake news or facts or tolerance, because they never say a peep about CNN or MSNBC.  Granted, Ingram should be fired already.  But the relentless attack on Fox News are because it's basically the only conservative voice on tv.  Liberals have demonstrated over and over in recent years they have 0 tolerance for differing views, and they don't want to debate you they want to silence you.

Which, coincidentally, cries out for Libertarian representation on tv.  Although I think Fox has a number of contributors who actually identify as Libertarian, and Bill Maher I think used to be a Libertarian before he decided selling out to liberalism was better for his career.  I bet you the Libertarian party could take off if it had a 24-hr news channel.

posted by QuakerOats

The fake outrage to divert attention from the corruption at the highest levels of our justice department is literally appalling.  Actually it is God damn terrifying.  

The IG said there was no evidence of bias in the investigations.  Which for every network not named Fox makes it all a non-story.

Now, I question the "no evidence" thing.  And not finding any doesn't mean there is none.  But CNN isn't going to unpack that report when the IG concluded no wrongdoing.

I wish I knew if I could trust Gowdy, or if he's just interviewing to replace Sessions as AG.

I assume this will not make the news tonight, since there are some kids crying down at the border.

posted by gut

The IG said there was no evidence of bias in the investigations.  Which for every network not named Fox makes it all a non-story.

Now, I question the "no evidence" thing.  And not finding any doesn't mean there is none.  But CNN isn't going to unpack that report when the IG concluded no wrongdoing.

I wish I knew if I could trust Gowdy, or if he's just interviewing to replace Sessions as AG.

https://amgreatness.com/2018/06/19/a-comedy-of-corruption-or-a-bureaucratic-horror-show/

posted by QuakerOats

Breaking News FBI official Peter Strzok ‘escorted’ from FBI building, lawyer confirms

That's really interesting.  I thought Horowitz said there was an ongoing investigation he couldn't comment on, and an investigation of Strzok could have started months ago, possibly even a year ago when Mueller discovered those texts and booted him.  And since there was an open investigation, and malfeasance related to Strzok might have been excluded from the IG report?

Or it just means he was fired.  And I'd take it as a given he has been, or soon will be, fired.

Good, Strzok still employed with tax payers money is unreal

posted by QuakerOats

Breaking News FBI official Peter Strzok ‘escorted’ from FBI building, lawyer confirms

 

 

I assume this will not make the news tonight, since there are some kids crying down at the border.

I knew your politics was a little out-there, but I never realized you were a gigantic piece of shit.

posted by SportsAndLady

I knew your politics was a little out-there, but I never realized you were a gigantic piece of shit.

You didn't? 

posted by QuakerOats

Those seeking asylum can go to a port of entry.  Those knowingly illegally entering the country can and will likely be arrested.  Similarly, if I illegally break into another's home or business, I will be separated from my kids and incarcerated.  These are simple concepts. 

A collective's border and a private citizen's property are not equitable.

In the analogy, there is a clear violation of someone's private property: the owner of the private land.

With regard to the border, the "border" is not private property, and thus, nobody's rights have been infringed (and if you try to make a case that "the American people's rights are infringed, you're going to have to accept a view of land ownership that sounds an awful lot like collectivism, which any good little socialist would pat you on the head for doing).
 

posted by gut

The hypocrisy has reached absurd new heights.  Modern Family co-creator just said he'll be leaving Fox - the network - for daring to own Fox News (which, they won't own after the sale goes thru).

It's not about fake news or facts or tolerance, because they never say a peep about CNN or MSNBC.  Granted, Ingram should be fired already.  But the relentless attack on Fox News are because it's basically the only conservative voice on tv.  Liberals have demonstrated over and over in recent years they have 0 tolerance for differing views, and they don't want to debate you they want to silence you.

Which, coincidentally, cries out for Libertarian representation on tv.  Although I think Fox has a number of contributors who actually identify as Libertarian, and Bill Maher I think used to be a Libertarian before he decided selling out to liberalism was better for his career.  I bet you the Libertarian party could take off if it had a 24-hr news channel.

Dear sweet Judas priest, I would love that.  I'd prefer to stay far away from Maher and most of the talking heads on Fox News who identify as libertarians.  In a fun twist, their "identifying" as libertarians usually parallels with something similar to someone "identifying" as a man without so much as a hint of a peen.

Just a reminder, Democrat leaders don’t actually care about these kids. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it." - per Schumer.  As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I have a problem with Presidents having so much power for executive orders and whatever else. Just bc Congress can’t ever write a bill that isn’t full of bullshit isn’t an excuse for them to not try changing this themselves.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis

posted by iclfan2

Just a reminder, Democrat leaders don’t actually care about these kids. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it's so easy for the president to sign it." - per Schumer.  As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I have a problem with Presidents having so much power for executive orders and whatever else. Just bc Congress can’t ever write a bill that isn’t full of bullshit isn’t an excuse for them to not try changing this themselves.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/393069-schumer-rejects-gop-proposal-to-address-border-crisis

 

Why would he accept the bill?  Generating selective and fake outrage benefits the Dems.  Schumer and Ptown both sharing crocodile tears.

Look who smells blood in the water  ...

On the plus side, it might take some mental gymnastics to vilify him AND Trump now. 

I look forward to watching someone try it on this topic, though. 

www.texastribune.org/2018/06/18/ted-cruz-immigrant-families-together-border-texas/

posted by O-Trap

Look who smells blood in the water  ...

On the plus side, it might take some mental gymnastics to vilify him AND Trump now. 

I look forward to watching someone try it on this topic, though. 

www.texastribune.org/2018/06/18/ted-cruz-immigrant-families-together-border-texas/

It looks like both sides are crying that legislation is not necessary and Trump can fix it with a pen.  You gotta love our congress (and this goes to both sides).  They cry whenever executive power is  being abused or flexed (this includes when Obama was president),  but in the rare opportunity they have to pass a simple bipartisan bill to fix this issue they are now all crying, because they are being told to have the Government function as it is supposed to.  You can't make this shit up. 

posted by like_that

It looks like both sides are crying that legislation is not necessary and Trump can fix it with a pen.  You gotta love our congress (and this goes to both sides).  They cry whenever executive power is  being abused or flexed (this includes when Obama was president),  but in the rare opportunity they have to pass a simple bipartisan bill to fix this issue they are now all crying, because they are being told to have the Government function as it is supposed to.  You can't make this shit up. 

Exactly. Shumer - Trump should just get out his pen and change it, Also Shumer - Trump can't undo the DACA executive order. Continuing to give President's all of this power is dumb as shit. Why would you egg on Trump to do more actions on his own?

posted by SportsAndLady

I knew your politics was a little out-there, but I never realized you were a gigantic piece of shit.

Where were you in 2014?

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/

posted by QuakerOats

Where were you in 2014?

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/

 

 

Well, in his defense this shit wasn't reported in 2014, so how would he know?  I think S&L wouldn't have been a fan of separation then either.  I think the majority of us can agree that it is not good policy to separate children, especially when federal regulation prevents border patrol from helping these kids (they don't want a lawsuit).  It's in very poor taste to mock these children, regardless if you think the parents are irresponsible or not. 

I just wish everyone would call it down the line as they see it, instead of being outraged depending on what side of the political spectrum you sit on.  

posted by QuakerOats

Where were you in 2014?

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/

 

 

These situations are bad of who's in charge in Washington.  It's a question of human decency.  As a society, we are better than this.  While there are not doubt some "bad hombres" that show up at the border, the majority of people coming are running from conditions that are beyond those any of us will ever have to experience, thank goodness.  To take one's family on the journey required to even get to the boarder requires more courage than many people have.  When you are that desperate, doing it "legally" or "illegally" isn't relevant, assuming you are even familiar with immigration law in another country in the first place.  

I don't think it is wrong to temporarily separate the people in order to find out whether the people are truly a family unit, and not smugglers, traffickers, terrorists etc..etc...  And while temporarily 'separated' the children are being properly cared for, at a large cost to US taxpayers, which is the right thing to do. 

For 3 decades now, politicians have kicked the can down the road.  We have a major problem, most everyone is spineless to fix it properly.  Trump wants to fix it, the liberal media and liberal democrats don't want to.