posted by like_that

Huge swing and miss on your part.  I think the policy is shitty and they need to pass something very soon to change it. Where did I say this is fake news?  The fact of the matter this has been happening for years prior to Trump being president.  Where was the coverage then?  Where was the crying?  If you weren't upset all this time, then spare me the fucking crocodile tears.  That's my point, but apparently you let your emotions get in the way to comprehend my post. 

posted by Automatik

It's one side or the other. Not with the MAGA train = libtard. Get with it.

Is this in reference to me?  If so, this is about as dumb as me saying you are on the left's autistic screeching train.  Do better.

 

Nope. You apparently don't realize the differences between the Obama era laws and the Trump era laws. There is no reason to do what they are doing now. They could have easily just continued the same policy as before. The new policy started in April and the brainchild of douchebag Steven Miller.

If you are referring to the lack of outrage over the previous Obama policy, you apparently were not paying attention as there were stories and articles about it. 

There is a difference between then and now, if you don't realize that, you either don't care or are just blind. 

The laws do need changed, but I highly doubt the GOP has the balls to buck the President and the racist wing of the party that thinks MS13 is invading the country. 

Guys, this never happened under obama. Ptown would know, he works in DC!

This is good stuff; the left falls for the Sean Spicier parody all the time (thinking it is Sean Spicer).

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/06/18/opa-sean-spicier-shares-his-solution-for-keeping-families-together-at-the-border-and-the-left-just-cant-deal/

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Nope. You apparently don't realize the differences between the Obama era laws and the Trump era laws. There is no reason to do what they are doing now. They could have easily just continued the same policy as before. The new policy started in April and the brainchild of douchebag Steven Miller.

If you are referring to the lack of outrage over the previous Obama policy, you apparently were not paying attention as there were stories and articles about it. 

There is a difference between then and now, if you don't realize that, you either don't care or are just blind. 

The laws do need changed, but I highly doubt the GOP has the balls to buck the President and the racist wing of the party that thinks MS13 is invading the country. 

1) If you don't try to cross the border illegally, you don't get separated from your children. I haven't looked at the policy all that hard because I prefer whatever is happening to the open border policy of Europe. A major problem with our government is that the President can affect policies so easily without agreement from Congress.

2) GTFO that the media reported it the same way they do now. Sure there were some reports, as we saw bc the media tried spreading pictures from 2014 a couple of months ago. Then the media reported 1,000 kids were lost from their parents (also a lie), and THEN the media started posting pictures of a kid behind bars, which were from a protest in Texas, not an actual cage.

Not to mention the 300% increase in illegals saying (lying that) they are a family unit ....which translates to a substantial amount of the 'kids' are actually being trafficked.  Hell yeah they want to be separated. 

posted by iclfan2

1) If you don't try to cross the border illegally, you don't get separated from your children. I haven't looked at the policy all that hard because I prefer whatever is happening to the open border policy of Europe. A major problem with our government is that the President can affect policies so easily without agreement from Congress.

2) GTFO that the media reported it the same way they do now. Sure there were some reports, as we saw bc the media tried spreading pictures from 2014 a couple of months ago. Then the media reported 1,000 kids were lost from their parents (also a lie), and THEN the media started posting pictures of a kid behind bars, which were from a protest in Texas, not an actual cage.

 

I can't help you there man. How heartless. Maybe you should look at the laws and policies...

The media is all butt hurt that we have a president that actually wants to follow the laws on the books

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Nope. You apparently don't realize the differences between the Obama era laws and the Trump era laws. There is no reason to do what they are doing now. They could have easily just continued the same policy as before. The new policy started in April and the brainchild of douchebag Steven Miller.

If you are referring to the lack of outrage over the previous Obama policy, you apparently were not paying attention as there were stories and articles about it. 

There is a difference between then and now, if you don't realize that, you either don't care or are just blind. 

The laws do need changed, but I highly doubt the GOP has the balls to buck the President and the racist wing of the party that thinks MS13 is invading the country. 

FY13 had nearly TWICE as many unaccompanied minors at the border.  Kids were in the same horrible conditions.  Can you please explain why it was better in FY13 vs today?  I thought you were intellectually honest.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I can't help you there man. How heartless. 

So, you would be willing to break another country's laws and risk being separated by your kids?  How heartless.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I can't help you there man. How heartless. 

How do you figure? Do you cry when other criminals go to jail and get separated from their families? Fuck it, why have laws then?

I'm not saying I agree with the policies, turn them back if that is the alternative, but these people know the risks. 

Btw, is there any doubt that crocodile tears ptown will be nowhere to be found when congress passes something to fix this?

posted by like_that

FY13 had nearly TWICE as many unaccompanied minors at the border.  Kids were in the same horrible conditions.  Can you please explain why it was better in FY13 vs today?  I thought you were intellectually honest.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I can't help you there man. How heartless. 

So, you would be willing to break another country's laws and risk being separated by your kids?  How heartless.

 

Those were not infants and little kids that crossed over back there. Even still, both policies were pretty fucked up. But, those kids did not have their parents with them back then. Also, Obama didn't champion it and say it was the right then to do like Trump is doing. 

posted by iclfan2

How do you figure? Do you cry when other criminals go to jail and get separated from their families? Fuck it, why have laws then?

I'm not saying I agree with the policies, turn them back if that is the alternative, but these people know the risks. 

Why can't you just do what they were doing before the April law change? Hold the families together in a detention facility. 

posted by like_that

Btw, is there any doubt that crocodile tears ptown will be nowhere to be found when congress passes something to fix this?

LOL. You actually think the GOP will move on this? Paul Ryan isn't doing shit. They do not want to piss off Trump who loves to exploit this issue. 

Also, if Congress tries to do anything that Miller or Trump do not like, there will be screams of Amnesty! and the bill will die like all the others the last 10 or so years. 

Ted Cruz is expected to pass something that would prevent kids being taken from their parents. That’s nowhere to be heard in the news or from ptown though 

posted by SportsAndLady

Ted Cruz is expected to pass something that would prevent kids being taken from their parents. That’s nowhere to be heard in the news or from ptown though 

I saw that this morning actually. I doubt it actually passes broth Houses though. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Those were not infants and little kids that crossed over back there. Even still, both policies were pretty fucked up. But, those kids did not have their parents with them back then. Also, Obama didn't champion it and say it was the right then to do like Trump is doing. 

posted by iclfan2

How do you figure? Do you cry when other criminals go to jail and get separated from their families? Fuck it, why have laws then?

I'm not saying I agree with the policies, turn them back if that is the alternative, but these people know the risks. 

 

Why can't you just do what they were doing before the April law change? Hold the families together in a detention facility. 

posted by like_that

Btw, is there any doubt that crocodile tears ptown will be nowhere to be found when congress passes something to fix this?

LOL. You actually think the GOP will move on this? Paul Ryan isn't doing shit. They do not want to piss off Trump who loves to exploit this issue. 

Also, if Congress tries to do anything that Miller or Trump do not like, there will be screams of Amnesty! and the bill will die like all the others the last 10 or so years. 

 

1. Uhh, yes they were and 2. you're basically saying it was ok under Obama because he swept it under the rug (including the media) instead of saying anything about it.  Tell me again how you don't have crocodile tears?  Btw there are plenty of videos of Obama, Hillary, and the Dems spewing the same rhetoric now that people like you are crying about.  Like I said, call a spade a spade.  If you were outraged at the time, I would be ok with it. You have been posting on this site for a long time, and I never once seen you post about this issue until now.

The GOP is moving on it.  I won't go all in on them getting it done, because they are useless, but I'd bet on it happening as opposed to not.

Why is it our governments responsibility to keep illegal immigrant families together? At what point are the parents of these kids to blame? 

Is it a governments role to make or break families? Asking for a friend...

posted by CenterBHSFan

Why is it our governments responsibility to keep illegal immigrant families together? At what point are the parents of these kids to blame? 

Is it a governments role to make or break families? Asking for a friend...

I get what you’re saying but we shouldn’t be separating kids from their families. It’s just not right. 

posted by SportsAndLady

I get what you’re saying but we shouldn’t be separating kids from their families. It’s just not right. 

Parents shouldn't be willingly breaking the law and separating themselves from their kids and the policy needs to be changed.  Both can be right imo.

Thank you.  If you don't break the law you have a better chance of staying together as a family.

Build the wall; shut the border crossings down; focus on legal immigration and pathways to citizenship. 

And while the policy has been criticized by both Democrats and Republicans (including President Donald Trump himself), the networks have either completely dismissed or mostly ignored the similar policies in place during the Barack Obama years. In fact, the New York Times actually criticized Obama in a July 18, 2016 editorial, “Mr. Obama’s Dubious Detention Centers.” 

The Times scolded: “These privately run, unlicensed lockups are no place for children. Or mothers. Their existence belies President Obama’s oft-professed concern for the humane treatment of people fleeing crime and violence in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.”

In total the networks devoted just 6 minutes and 29 seconds (barely 3 percent of the coverage) to discussion of Obama’s detaining of children, 1 minute and 37 seconds of which was spent denying the Obama or other past administrations had engaged in policies matching those of the current administration. 

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/geoffrey-dickens/2018/06/19/six-days-june-nets-flood-broadcasts-176-minutes-separated-kids

By the way, isn't it ironic that the media decided to be outraged about this at exactly the precise time that Comey and the IG are being grilled on Capital Hill over the massive corruption at the FBI and DoJ.  Remarkable. 

posted by like_that

Parents shouldn't be willingly breaking the law and separating themselves from their kids and the policy needs to be changed.  Both can be right imo.

I agree with you. Just disagree with the ultra right wing narrative of “this is what they deserve for breaking the law”. I don’t think kids should ever be separated from their parents the way they are at those patrol stations. Both the parents and the border patrol are to blame, neither of them are doing the right thing. 

posted by SportsAndLady

I agree with you. Just disagree with the ultra right wing narrative of “this is what they deserve for breaking the law”. I don’t think kids should ever be separated from their parents the way they are at those patrol stations. Both the parents and the border patrol are to blame, neither of them are doing the right thing. 

I definitely agree with the bolded. Who should blink first, though?

posted by CenterBHSFan

I definitely agree with the bolded. Who should blink first, though?

The one in the assumed position of authority.

You don't punish kids for the crimes of their parents and then tell the parents, "See what you made me/us do?"

10,000 of the 12,000 'kids' were sent to this country, parent-less, by their parents.  Yes, you read that right.

The same thing occurred under obama, but the media protected him; while Trump is again trying to clean up problems that should have been solved years ago.  It is long past time to fix the illegal immigration problem.

posted by QuakerOats

10,000 of the 12,000 'kids' were sent to this country, parent-less, by their parents.  Yes, you read that right.

 

The same thing occurred under obama, but the media protected him; while Trump is again trying to clean up problems that should have been solved years ago.  It is long past time to fix the illegal immigration problem.

Lol