posted by ptown_trojans_1Yes, willing, because, again, these high profile stories have ended up being true. Therefore, I'm willing to listen and believe them because in the past, we easily dismissed them.
Duke lacrosse? That frat at Virgina?
posted by ptown_trojans_1I will say Ronan Farrow is batting a .1000 on these stories though...All those publications also passed on the CBS story of his too.
You think that given all the stories over the past year plus, people would pause before immediately calling any woman's story BS. I'm willing to believe any of the stories.
I also think it is a really, really bad look to have all the GOP older men basically dismissing any of the accusations immediately. Completely tone deaf.
You do realize you said "batting .1000" which is only being "right" 1/10 times. You probably meant "batting 1.000" which would mean "right every time" but your faux pas is actually quite accurate, they haven't gotten much right yet at all.
posted by like_thatSo far we have 2 allegations with around 12+ witnesses. None of them corroborate with the accusers. Very weak case.
Now up to 4 allegations. One is Avenati saying Kavanaugh "may have been present at gang rapes organized by a classmate in high school". Wow, just wow. So, basically, anyone sexually assaulted in Maryland when Kavanaugh was in highschool needs to be investigated to rule him out?
And, yeah, that would actually be the 4th allegation - Maryland police are investigating an incident from the early 80's, no more details provided.
Like I said, go ahead and confirm and if any of these allegations have any merit/evidence whatsoever, then impeach him.
posted by gutNow up to 4 allegations. One is Avenati saying Kavanaugh "may have been present at gang rapes organized by a classmate in high school". Wow, just wow. So, basically, anyone sexually assaulted in Maryland when Kavanaugh was in highschool needs to be investigated to rule him out?
And, yeah, that would be the 4th allegation - Maryland police are investigating, no more details provided.
Like I said, go ahead and confirm and if any of these allegations have any merit/evidence whatsoever, then impeach him.
This is right up here with Pizzagate.
That last one may warrant more serious consideration, since someone actually went to the police and it's being investigated [allegedly].
Of course, this now gives Ford an excuse to back out from testifying, because Dems will demand an investigation be done first.
posted by gutThat last one may warrant more serious consideration, since someone actually went to the police and it's being investigated [allegedly].
Of course, this now gives Ford an excuse to back out from testifying, because Dems will demand an investigation be done first.
It is not being investigated, per the police. WTF would they even investigate. The GOP can't do anything right now bc if they stop the confirmation process they will get murdered in October.
posted by iclfan2It is not being investigated, per the police. WTF would they even investigate. The GOP can't do anything right now bc if they stop the confirmation process they will get murdered in October.
I was referring to a 4th, unnamed and unspecified incident, which had been reported and Maryland police were supposedly investigating. The police have said they don't have such an open investigation?
The Maryland police (Montgomery) said they aren't investigating any claims against Kavanaugh currently. Not sure what the 4th one is but the local news that came out and said police were investigating were wrong. It's a circus.
posted by like_thatDid you read the article? I am not sure how you could be conflicted. In fact the more bullshit accusations come out (brace yourself for Avenatti to get in the mix), the more it dilutes Ford's original cliam. Her accusation has less substance than Ford's. You have her friends coming out (in this article) stating they have no fucking clue what she is talking, never heard he say a word about it, and suggest this could be politically motivated. WAPO, NYT, CNN, and NBC all turned down this story. If anything, it's a complete disgrace the New Yorker would roll with publishing this story.
No, I actually didn't. I was just going by whatever show my mother was watching this morning. Not sure if it was NBC or CBS and it was just a 30 second thing.
But I just read the article and I ... have to agree with ya.
posted by ptown_trojans_1You think that given all the stories over the past year plus, people would pause before immediately calling any woman's story BS. I'm willing to believe any of the stories.
I also think it is a really, really bad look to have all the GOP older men basically dismissing any of the accusations immediately. Completely tone deaf.
You're really getting into the identity politics, eh? It is getting to the point that wherever I see this puke I automatically dismiss it.
You've got people on this forum who are pretty liberal socially (conservative otherwise) who avoid this shit like the plague and here you come with it. FFS you can do better than this PTown.
posted by CenterBHSFanYou're really getting into the identity politics, eh? It is getting to the point that wherever I see this puke I automatically dismiss it.
You've got people on this forum who are pretty liberal socially (conservative otherwise) who avoid this shit like the plague and here you come with it. FFS you can do better than this PTown.
Well, if he's just talking about the optics, I agree. It's not a good look. And optics do count when it comes to elected positions.
Then again, there's obviously the counterargument to that: the current POTUS.
If we're going to actively engage in identity politics here, I'll help everybody out so that we all can play!
https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/identity-politics
https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/trans-species
https://www.tumblr.com/search/spectrum%20of%20gender
https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/otherkin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vomiting
Cause that's where identity politics belongs... on Tumblr.
Here's some more!
https://twitter.com/cher/status/1043698974799142912
AM SICK Of OLD REPUBLICAN MISOGYNISTS TREATING WOMEN LIKE DERANGED ESCAPES FROM THE 50’s
YOURE OLD WHITE MEN WHO WANT TO PAT OUR HEADS & SAY BE GOOD GIRLSTHOSE DAYS ARE OVER & SO ARE YOUWE’RE COLORFUL,LGBT,WE WANT OUR BODIES BACK,WE WANT EQUAL PAY,WE DEMAND RESPECT
Because it's all about optics!
posted by CenterBHSFanHere's some more!
https://twitter.com/cher/status/1043698974799142912
AM SICK Of OLD REPUBLICAN MISOGYNISTS TREATING WOMEN LIKE DERANGED ESCAPES FROM THE 50’s
Because it's all about optics!
Let's not equate noting the problem with an out-of-hand dismissal of an accusation with a has-been performer orgasming all over her keyboard. They're hardly synonymous.
posted by O-TrapLet's not equate noting the problem with an out-of-hand dismissal of an accusation with a has-been performer orgasming all over her keyboard. They're hardly synonymous.
Identity politics is the new gateway drug!
I also think it is a really, really bad look to have all the GOP older men
AM SICK Of OLD REPUBLICAN MISOGYNISTS
I'm just going to point out this and that out.
You can call it equating, optics or you can call it identity politics but the intent is pretty much the same from where I am.
If you think optics and identity politics are exactly the same, I can't help but think it's because you're trying to.
When I say that the optics aren't good, I'm not speaking to the motives of anyone dismissing her prior to a full, orderly presentation of the facts. I'm saying that the homogeneous nature of the group allows for speculation at all.
We use this in statistics all the time. Naturally, correlation doesn't prove causation, but with enough repetition of correlation we have reason to believe there might be a causal relationship.
It's the same way here. If every male Republican over the age of 50 dismisses the claim at the onset, it doesn't prove a causal relationship out of sexism or ageism or even political party. It gives reason to speculate there might be, though.
To deny that is to effectively deny any justification for investigating anyone as a suspect of a crime. The same train of thought is used. Enough correlation between evidence and an individual doesn't prove guilt, but it certainly gives a reason to look for guilt.
At this point, I'm not even talking about Kavannaugh. "Old white men" or any variation of it is identity politics. What I'm saying is that, unless you are somebody who buys into it, it turns people off. It has for some time now. It's in the same categories as toxic masculinity, white silence is violence, etc. And while it can be used as a descriptor, more often than now currently, it's used as a discriminatory tool, something best left to the Tumblr culture.
The shit storm is coming.....Avenatti is about to insert his BS in this
posted by CenterBHSFanAt this point, I'm not even talking about Kavannaugh. "Old white men" or any variation of it is identity politics. What I'm saying is that, unless you are somebody who buys into it, it turns people off. It has for some time now. It's in the same categories as toxic masculinity, white silence is violence, etc. And while it can be used as a descriptor, more often than now currently, it's used as a discriminatory tool, something best left to the Tumblr culture.
I think the notion that you either buy into it or you're turned off by it is a false dichotomy. I don't buy into the "old white men" part as a claim (though I do buy into the fact that they're Republican ... this is all partisan nonsense), but I'm not especially turned off by it, either. Again, it's correlative to the degree that I'd get why someone might think there's a causal relationship. I just don't hold that view myself.
Odds Ford testifies on Thursday getting slimmer. Lawyer already planting the seed of not agreeing to some terms.
In other regressive news, Ted Cruz and his wife were made to leave a restaurant by some “we believe survivors” wackos. They’re unhinged and only hurt their own party.
posted by iclfan2Odds Ford testifies on Thursday getting slimmer. Lawyer already planting the seed of not agreeing to some terms.
In other regressive news, Ted Cruz and his wife were made to leave a restaurant by some “we believe survivors” wackos. They’re unhinged and only hurt their own party.
I say let them have at it. These people are worse than the religious right because what they consider heresy changes by the day. At least with the RR they are pretty stuck in their ways and you know what to expect.
The demagogues that propagate this narrative miscalculate in that they fail to realize that a large number of women and minorities have "old white men" that they love and respect in their lives. Also young white men that will one day become "old white men". Politics should be argued in the arena of ideas not race or gender.
posted by iclfan2Odds Ford testifies on Thursday getting slimmer. Lawyer already planting the seed of not agreeing to some terms.
In other regressive news, Ted Cruz and his wife were made to leave a restaurant by some “we believe survivors” wackos. They’re unhinged and only hurt their own party.
WTF? Terms? The only terms needed are that the hearing will be held on Thursday, she may show up and testify if she chooses, and if she does, she will answer all questions truthfully and completely.
posted by iclfan2Odds Ford testifies on Thursday getting slimmer. Lawyer already planting the seed of not agreeing to some terms.
In other regressive news, Ted Cruz and his wife were made to leave a restaurant by some “we believe survivors” wackos. They’re unhinged and only hurt their own party.
No doubt that these people and the people who are ok with this (there are a lot of "normal" people who are ok with this behavior... see Sarah Sanders getting kicked out of a restaurant) are the same people who after Trump won the election a bunch of racists were going to come out of the woodwork and do exactly what these people are doing on a large scale.
posted by queencitybuckeyeWTF? Terms? The only terms needed are that the hearing will be held on Thursday, she may show up and testify if she chooses, and if she does, she will answer all questions truthfully and completely.
Just another reason the Republicans are pussies for delaying the hearing and vote. The Dems want to make this a circus, they don't want her to legitimately testify.