posted by O-Trap

"Vote blue, no matter who ... except don't let it be that guy."

It really is quite fascinating.  I thought this kind of fracturing was going to happen in about 2012 with the Tea Party movement, but the RNC just kind of absorbed that back into itself.  I'm curious to see where these DNC factions go after this election.

So will I. Especially with how it looks that, to some degree, the DNC forces are very not in favor of Bernie winning, especially with how two secondary contenders who'd be siphoning votes from Biden (or Bloomberg) abruptly ceasing operations shortly before the biggest day of the primary season. I get the idea that the hierarchy is REALLY trying to push one of the less progressive candidates in front of everyone else under the assumption that the progs will get in line with the person who isn't Trump when the general election comes around.

Which is all well and good...except for how I've noticed from things like social media that the average progressive voice comes off as having the same attitude as Quaker, where you're either in lockstep with them or you're part of the problem/enemy. They feel the establishment shut down Bernie (again) and I can see a lot of them taking the "you want it your way, then show how viable your candidate is with us sitting out" attitude.

posted by wkfan

Seems that the same is happening in the DNC.....the more moderate, centrist Dems are being absorbed into the new, Socialist party.  The traditional JFK, LBJ, Bill Clinton Democrat is no longer a factor in the party.  The vocal far left wing Socialist Democrat is firmly in control and tolerates no deviation.

 

Very true

Bloomberg and Warren drop out after today, and then Tulsi Gabbard will be like "hey, over here, remember me?  I'm still running...."

posted by wkfan

Seems that the same is happening in the DNC.....the more moderate, centrist Dems are being absorbed into the new, Socialist party.  The traditional JFK, LBJ, Bill Clinton Democrat is no longer a factor in the party.  The vocal far left wing Socialist Democrat is firmly in control and tolerates no deviation.

 

except the DNC still very much has control and lets the moderate win? 

posted by kizer permanente

except the DNC still very much has control and lets the moderate win? 

Guess we'll have to see...so far the leaders are Bernie, AOC (I know she isn't running for President, but she is clearly a party leader) ...with Biden and Bloomberg trailing (Warren, too) and the rest have all left (Klobuchar, Mayor Pete, etc.)

posted by wkfan

Guess we'll have to see...so far the leaders are Bernie, AOC (I know she isn't running for President, but she is clearly a party leader) ...with Biden and Bloomberg trailing (Warren, too) and the rest have all left (Klobuchar, Mayor Pete, etc.)

It's pretty much guaranteed to be a brokered convention and Biden (or another moderate) will get the nomination. Zero chance it goes to Bernie unless he somehow gets enough delegates to win the nomination.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

In some ways, the Tea Party movement absorbed the Republican party. The traditional Rockefeller GHW Bush Republican is no longer a factor in the party. The vocal far right wing/Evangelical be let c is firmly in control and tolerates no deviation. Trump was not a new angle. He really exemplified this movement in the extreme. 

This is actually probably a more apt way of describing it at a certain phase.  I was thinking of the foundation of the Tea Party more, which started out as a "fiscal responsibility no matter what your social views are" movement.  I was actually encouraged by it and went to a rally.  I'd seen some people jump on that were extremist, but I didn't really think that had become the overwhelming sentiment.  First speaker at the rally got up and spent at least 20 minutes ranting on abortion, so I left before he was over.

I actually wonder if the more fiscally extreme variety of Democrats don't eventually follow suit.  The kind of ground that some of the self-professed socialist-leaning Democrats are gaining makes me think we're well past the days of GHWB and Clinton.

Kinda wish we could throw someone like Barry Goldwater into the mix these days.
 

posted by Heretic

So will I. Especially with how it looks that, to some degree, the DNC forces are very not in favor of Bernie winning, especially with how two secondary contenders who'd be siphoning votes from Biden (or Bloomberg) abruptly ceasing operations shortly before the biggest day of the primary season. I get the idea that the hierarchy is REALLY trying to push one of the less progressive candidates in front of everyone else under the assumption that the progs will get in line with the person who isn't Trump when the general election comes around.

Which is all well and good...except for how I've noticed from things like social media that the average progressive voice comes off as having the same attitude as Quaker, where you're either in lockstep with them or you're part of the problem/enemy. They feel the establishment shut down Bernie (again) and I can see a lot of them taking the "you want it your way, then show how viable your candidate is with us sitting out" attitude.

I mean, it's hard to tell how big a portion it is, but in practice, it's not unlike what happened to Mittens when the Constitution-driven Republicans withheld their vote in 2012.

Grab the popcorn.  It's going to be a glorious, hilarious shit show.

That akward moment when Fox News covers Bernie Sanders more fairly than CNN or MSNBC lol 

Bloomberg won jack shit today. Nice. 

posted by justincredible

Bloomberg won jack shit today. Nice. 

Even better was Warren taking 3rd in her own state.

Just wait until Bloomberg drops out and throws his money behind Biden.  That will go over well with Bernie & his Bros.

posted by gut

Even better was Warren taking 3rd in her own state.

Just wait until Bloomberg drops out and throws his money behind Biden.  That will go over well with Bernie & his Bros.

The Bernie crew may not like it, but who cares. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

The Bernie crew may not like it, but who cares. 

Well.. probably the never trumpers will.  They don't beat Trump without the Bernie Bros. 

In light of Joe's Super Tuesday showing, an oldie but a goodie:

posted by gut

Just wait until Bloomberg drops out and throws his money behind Biden.  That will go over well with Bernie & his Bros.

Short wait, Bloomberg quits and endorses Biden.

posted by queencitybuckeye

Short wait, Bloomberg quits and endorses Biden.

What a waste of hundreds of millions.

...and then there were 3.......sort of.

posted by wkfan

...and then there were 3.......sort of.

At this point, I'd call it two.

Looks like Vermin Supreme decided to check in on what Bernie's doing at his shindig.

One old, crazy, white guy trying to mimick the success of another.

I can see the conspiracy theorist's take that Killary will somehow end up representing the Dem's with how senile Crazy Joe Biden is.

If Warren doesn't drop out, then i'll know for sure that the fix is in.it's incredibly suspicious that all the main Biden delegate siphons self immolated on the eve of super Tuesday. That said, Bernie was doomed anyway because his movement is majority urban and states like Texas, whitewash their urban districts on the state level so 40% of the popular vote doesn't mean anything. if you don't win 50% in Pecos county, you get nothing for that district. It's actually a better system, but it kills Bernie's wave.

Warren probably being strong armed to stay in with the threat of Dems running someone against her for her seat

Also.....what was Bloomburg promised?  Must have been big.

posted by kizer permanente

Well.. probably the never trumpers will.  They don't beat Trump without the Bernie Bros. 

You're right about that.  Biden is a mediocre candidate at best though.  He also seems to be somewhat senile at times as well.  Debates between he and Trump will be entertaining as hell.  

posted by Spock

Warren probably being strong armed to stay in with the threat of Dems running someone against her for her seat

 

Also.....what was Bloomburg promised?  Must have been big.

My guess is mini-Mike got a secretary position offered to him, Treasury, State. Something like that.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

You're right about that.  Biden is a mediocre candidate at best though.  He also seems to be somewhat senile at times as well.  Debates between he and Trump will be entertaining as hell.  

If the sight of those two geriatrics slurring their words and stumbling their way through insults while attempting to persuade everyone they're the best of the bunch as far as future leadership goes doesn't convince people that something desperately needs fixed in our system, absolutely nothing will.

posted by Heretic

If the sight of those two geriatrics slurring their words and stumbling their way through insults while attempting to persuade everyone they're the best of the bunch as far as future leadership goes doesn't convince people that something desperately needs fixed in our system, absolutely nothing will.

A career politician who won't go away and has accomplished nothing higher than not getting replaced as VP by Obama versus a guy who's famous for being famous and doesn't understand the concept of honesty.