posted by geeblock

All this to change the subject from the right falling apart lol we have had this conversation 50 times. And u don’t get to create my narrative I condemned all rioting and violence. That is a whole other convo from how I feel about police and the social Justice system which is now where you have moved the goalpost because your party is now a laughing stock 

Who is my party? Go on, tell me.

Also, I’m not creating “your” delusional narrative. I’m just stating facts.  Nobody is buying your bullshit that you condemned the riots. Even if you *did,* you just admitted a couple posts ago, that you only did it, so nobody could use it as a “dog whistle” against you in the future for something like the capitol riot.  This goes back to my point about you being disingenuous. 

Smh, at least try to hide your playbook.

posted by like_that

Who is my party? Go on, tell me.

Also, I’m not creating “your” delusional narrative. I’m just stating facts.  Nobody is buying your bullshit that you condemned the riots. Even if you *did,* you just admitted a couple posts ago, that you only did it, so nobody could use it as a “dog whistle” against you in the future for something like the capitol riot.  This goes back to my point about you being disingenuous. 

Smh, at least try to hide your playbook.

Cmon man why would I be for rioting and violence? That’s stupid. I am all about peaceful protests which I have said from the beginning. I didn’t say I “only” did it because of that. U just make up shit and pretend I said it and then further contend that because u don’t believe me that no one does. I really don’t care if you believe me or not. U claim to not have a party but go apeshit when I bang in the Republicans tho u don’t claim them I guess. Why do u even comment on my posts then? I don’t comment on yours but then again you don’t make any original posts or have original thoughts you are just a troll who plays semantics 

posted by geeblock

Cmon man why would I be for rioting and violence? That’s stupid. I am all about peaceful protests which I have said from the beginning. I didn’t say I “only” did it because of that. U just make up shit and pretend I said it and then further contend that because u don’t believe me that no one does. I really don’t care if you believe me or not. U claim to not have a party but go apeshit when I bang in the Republicans tho u don’t claim them I guess. Why do u even comment on my posts then? I don’t comment on yours but then again you don’t make any original posts or have original thoughts you are just a troll who plays semantics 

You didn’t “only,” say it, but you admitted it was a motive. The 2nd half off your post is just word vomit and I don’t think you are saying what you think you are trying to say.  I am glad you and cc are responsible for educating our future generations.

posted by like_that

You didn’t “only,” say it, but you admitted it was a motive. The 2nd half off your post is just word vomit and I don’t think you are saying what you think you are trying to say.  I am glad you and cc are responsible for educating our future generations.

Just say you were wrong and your party has turned into a joke 

A couple of thoughts about this current discussion:

1.) Where I live, we actually would like to have more cops around. One of the local towns can't even afford to have its own phone line. You have to call 911 to get any service in an emergency if you live in that town. The drug problems are out of control, govt has effectively killed off the economy and adults can't even get a service industry type job anymore. So there's a lot of assaults, theft, etc.
So, while I don't make the police my pet project I actually do care about the cops and wish more people could feel safe in their own homes again. It's unfortunate what happened at the Capitol.

2.) Speaking of the Capitol, it really didn't bother me much as it might somebody else. I guess being desensitized to riots over the past year is the cause of that, but maybe I'm wrong. People are picking and choosing which federal building getting damaged outrages them. There is no moral high ground here. If you think there is, you're full of shit. 

3.) I'm glad that all of my education was completed well before critical theory, and likewise critical race theory, captured the educational system. It's done nothing but fuck up people's minds and perspectives. 
In a way, I can understand why all these millennials/GenZ that borrowed vast amounts of money to get that shit drilled into their brain now want a refund. Sucks to be them.

4.) More on the Capitol riot: I feel more sympathy for the cop that got killed than that moronic woman who was climbing up and continued to try to get through that window after she saw a handful of feds pointing a gun at her. I don't feel sorry for her at all. Grown ass adult and veteran doing that stupid shit. SMH

5.) Geeblock, you're full of shit. I am too, but I don't fall back on identity politics to do it. Stop that stupidass jackassery. Don't condemn something if you don't believe it just to satisfy others. Have the courage of your convictions, man. Nobody on this forum needs to like your opinions, thoughts or even you. But say what you mean and mean what you say. Grow up.

posted by CenterBHSFan

A couple of thoughts about this current discussion:

1.) Where I live, we actually would like to have more cops around. One of the local towns can't even afford to have its own phone line. You have to call 911 to get any service in an emergency if you live in that town. The drug problems are out of control, govt has effectively killed off the economy and adults can't even get a service industry type job anymore. So there's a lot of assaults, theft, etc.
So, while I don't make the police my pet project I actually do care about the cops and wish more people could feel safe in their own homes again. It's unfortunate what happened at the Capitol.

2.) Speaking of the Capitol, it really didn't bother me much as it might somebody else. I guess being desensitized to riots over the past year is the cause of that, but maybe I'm wrong. People are picking and choosing which federal building getting damaged outrages them. There is no moral high ground here. If you think there is, you're full of shit. 

3.) I'm glad that all of my education was completed well before critical theory, and likewise critical race theory, captured the educational system. It's done nothing but fuck up people's minds and perspectives. 
In a way, I can understand why all these millennials/GenZ that borrowed vast amounts of money to get that shit drilled into their brain now want a refund. Sucks to be them.

4.) More on the Capitol riot: I feel more sympathy for the cop that got killed than that moronic woman who was climbing up and continued to try to get through that window after she saw a handful of feds pointing a gun at her. I don't feel sorry for her at all. Grown ass adult and veteran doing that stupid shit. SMH

5.) Geeblock, you're full of shit. I am too, but I don't fall back on identity politics to do it. Stop that stupidass jackassery. Don't condemn something if you don't believe it just to satisfy others. Have the courage of your convictions, man. Nobody on this forum needs to like your opinions, thoughts or even you. But say what you mean and mean what you say. Grow up.

Huh? There isn’t enough room to write every reason I condemn rioting 

You want more police around? That’s great. Understand your experience isn’t the same as everyone and your experiences with police aren’t the same as others. Not sure what’s so hard to understand about that. I said rioting bothers me 100 times and it doesn’t bother you. Do u think it’s because you are really de sensitized or maybe u can just connect more than the reason?

posted by CenterBHSFan

A couple of thoughts about this current discussion:

1.) Where I live, we actually would like to have more cops around. One of the local towns can't even afford to have its own phone line. You have to call 911 to get any service in an emergency if you live in that town. The drug problems are out of control, govt has effectively killed off the economy and adults can't even get a service industry type job anymore. So there's a lot of assaults, theft, etc.
So, while I don't make the police my pet project I actually do care about the cops and wish more people could feel safe in their own homes again. It's unfortunate what happened at the Capitol.

2.) Speaking of the Capitol, it really didn't bother me much as it might somebody else. I guess being desensitized to riots over the past year is the cause of that, but maybe I'm wrong. People are picking and choosing which federal building getting damaged outrages them. There is no moral high ground here. If you think there is, you're full of shit. 

3.) I'm glad that all of my education was completed well before critical theory, and likewise critical race theory, captured the educational system. It's done nothing but fuck up people's minds and perspectives. 
In a way, I can understand why all these millennials/GenZ that borrowed vast amounts of money to get that shit drilled into their brain now want a refund. Sucks to be them.

4.) More on the Capitol riot: I feel more sympathy for the cop that got killed than that moronic woman who was climbing up and continued to try to get through that window after she saw a handful of feds pointing a gun at her. I don't feel sorry for her at all. Grown ass adult and veteran doing that stupid shit. SMH

5.) Geeblock, you're full of shit. I am too, but I don't fall back on identity politics to do it. Stop that stupidass jackassery. Don't condemn something if you don't believe it just to satisfy others. Have the courage of your convictions, man. Nobody on this forum needs to like your opinions, thoughts or even you. But say what you mean and mean what you say. Grow up.

Ohhh someone has been reading some critical theory books. Good for you. I had a few classes back in the day about Critical Theory as well as other aspects of its impact on historical analysis. I don't know about your experience, but mine at Ohio State and Maryland was to question and dig into those theories, tear them apart and determine if at all they are applicable to the real world when it comes to policy making and history. The results are mixed and theories are fine, but they fall apart when it applies to the real world. 

It was nice to see the fraudulent manufactured evidence presented by the House managers get exposed and crushed today.  Zero ethics; zero integrity; lie to the  death. 

Every time you think they can't go any lower; they go lower. 

posted by QuakerOats

It was nice to see the fraudulent manufactured evidence presented by the House managers get exposed and crushed today.  Zero ethics; zero integrity; lie to the  death.

No surprise there.  Of course, the defense is glossing over plenty.  But it's a show trial, and the prosecution the Dems put on was just to chum the waters for their media.

I'm not sure where I stand on all this.  On the one hand, the POTUS should be held to a much higher standard of speech and rhetoric than rank and file members, perhaps even the Congressional minority & majority leaders.  Yet, at the end of the day you're ostensibly impeaching the POTUS over free speech.

Now, I believe he should be impeached for the many lies and distortions he's told about the election the past 6 months.  But THAT is a can of worms no politician wants to crack open.

posted by geeblock

Huh? There isn’t enough room to write every reason I condemn rioting 

You want more police around? That’s great. Understand your experience isn’t the same as everyone and your experiences with police aren’t the same as others. Not sure what’s so hard to understand about that. I said rioting bothers me 100 times and it doesn’t bother you. Do u think it’s because you are really de sensitized or maybe u can just connect more than the reason?

It's like you didn't read more than 3 sentences of what I said. 

posted by gut

No surprise there.  Of course, the defense is glossing over plenty.  But it's a show trial, and the prosecution the Dems put on was just to chum the waters for their media.

I'm not sure where I stand on all this.  On the one hand, the POTUS should be held to a much higher standard of speech and rhetoric than rank and file members, perhaps even the Congressional minority & majority leaders.  Yet, at the end of the day you're ostensibly impeaching the POTUS over free speech.

Now, I believe he should be impeached for the many lies and distortions he's told about the election the past 6 months.  But THAT is a can of worms no politician wants to crack open.

I'm good with a censure motion from Congress and the Republican National Committee pretty muich distancing themselves from him. But, not sure that second one is happening. 

posted by CenterBHSFan

It's like you didn't read more than 3 sentences of what I said. 

Well I have no idea what part u want me to reply to. I have never condemned anything to please anyone. 

I have always  given my opinion and stated why I feel that way. What part did I miss?

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Ohhh someone has been reading some critical theory books. Good for you. I had a few classes back in the day about Critical Theory as well as other aspects of its impact on historical analysis. I don't know about your experience, but mine at Ohio State and Maryland was to question and dig into those theories, tear them apart and determine if at all they are applicable to the real world when it comes to policy making and history. The results are mixed and theories are fine, but they fall apart when it applies to the real world. 

I've been bored out of my damn mind since I made the most logical decision to retire early during a pandemic that the govt is doing everything it can to make sure it never ends. Throw in a few surgeries and I've gained 17lbs. (because of not being able to move around like I normally would) and a bunch of knowledge. So, I've been reading and going down the rabbit holes of things that normally would be put on the back shelf. 
I think it helps to consider the world events that were happening when the people who built the framework of Theory did their work. I can't help but think of Ashley Wilkes when thinking about them.
It hasn't been just Theory and CRT. Did you take a good long look at what theorists have done to the Theory of Change? Leave it to sociologists to fuck up anything.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I'm good with a censure motion from Congress and the Republican National Committee pretty muich distancing themselves from him. But, not sure that second one is happening. 

Censure was probably the appropriate route that avoids the troublesome issues I raised.  And I think there's room within "censure" to distinguish that POTUS words matter more than, say, AOC or Maxine Waters.

Hoping there is some criminal conviction for something else that keeps him from running again.  But I don't think that's happening, either, because I think that's all been bullshit.  Only reasonable chance is to get him for something on taxes.  A lot of that might not prevent him lawfully from running, but the big one I think is a real possibility is bank fraud.  That's a felony, and inflating your assets on loan reviews is a pretty common practice in real estate.  Heck, that practice was pretty common on private home loans leading up to 2008.

I don't think that, putting age aside, Trump has the balls to run again. He pissed off a lot of people by not pardoning Assange and Snowden. 

I think at this point even his most ardent supporters are just glad he's gone. Sort of.
The dems and NYTimes aren't ready to let him go. They had the worst example of abusive, co-dependent relationships with him.

posted by CenterBHSFan

They had the worst example of abusive, co-dependent relationships with him.

Trump was the perfect POTUS for this media age of profiting off of rage culture.  There's a reason in the last, I don't know, 10-15 years we've seen the radical fringes of both parties dominating the news cycle - cancel culture NEEDS people to cancel.

posted by CenterBHSFan

I don't think that, putting age aside, Trump has the balls to run again. He pissed off a lot of people by not pardoning Assange and Snowden. 

I think at this point even his most ardent supporters are just glad he's gone. Sort of.
The dems and NYTimes aren't ready to let him go. They had the worst example of abusive, co-dependent relationships with him.

Agree with you.  Instead of just letting his tenure fade away, these idiots continue to give him page 1 attention which is all he craves.  Let it go.  He's not coming back in four years in my opinion either.  He's obese and nearing 80 years old.  His health won't be up to it. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

My question to you then, what mechanisms are there to punish a President in their last moments of office? If a President commits an impeachment offense on 1/19 does it not matter then? 

Let's say for example, that on January 19, 2017 it was found Obama did in fact spy on Trump and there was evidence. Would it not be within the rights of Congress to start the impeachment proceedings even if they bleed into the Trump Presidency? 

If the Presidency does go from 1/20 to 1/20, then the actions of those times should also be subject to oversight and impeachment of the Congress, within reason. 

Wait, are you acting like it’s not factual information that the Obama admin spied on Trump by using a FISA judge and a fake DNC funded dossier? 

Just curious if you truly believe Obama admin didn’t spy on Trump campaign?

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/02/14/lindsey-graham-using-democrat-model-i-dont-know-how-kamala-harris-doesnt-get-impeached/

Hell yea...I hope he is serious.  The 2 tier justice system in this country has to stop

posted by jmog

Wait, are you acting like it’s not factual information that the Obama admin spied on Trump by using a FISA judge and a fake DNC funded dossier? 

Just curious if you truly believe Obama admin didn’t spy on Trump campaign?

I said if there was proven factual linkage between Obama doing it directly as in Nixon tapes level. 

The "spying" in question, you have your view, and I have mine. I don't want to re-litigate it as it is pointless at this junction because we end up talking past each other as we simply do not believe on the same set of facts or aspects of the whole thing. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I said if there was proven factual linkage between Obama doing it directly as in Nixon tapes level. 

The "spying" in question, you have your view, and I have mine. I don't want to re-litigate it as it is pointless at this junction because we end up talking past each other as we simply do not believe on the same set of facts or aspects of the whole thing. 

In other words, "I wont admit anything that makes me look bad or the dems."

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I said if there was proven factual linkage between Obama doing it directly as in Nixon tapes level. 

The "spying" in question, you have your view, and I have mine. I don't want to re-litigate it as it is pointless at this junction because we end up talking past each other as we simply do not believe on the same set of facts or aspects of the whole thing. 

I didn’t say directly Obama, I said the Obama administration.

Do you believe that the Obama administration did or did not spy on the Trump campaign based on a BS dossier funded by the DNC with the help of the FISA courts?

Just curious if you believe in actual reality or make believe land.

posted by jmog

I didn’t say directly Obama, I said the Obama administration.

Do you believe that the Obama administration did or did not spy on the Trump campaign based on a BS dossier funded by the DNC with the help of the FISA courts?

Just curious if you believe in actual reality or make believe land.

Short answer: No. 

Not as short answer because again, we just differ on the facts. Define spying? Actually spy on Trump or members of the campaign, because the issues get mixed up. Do I think Trump himself was spied on, no.

Did the FBI use legal means to investigate Papadopoulos that were located before the dossier, yes. Is that considered spying in your mind? 

Was the dossier the smoking gun, unclear and timeline is mixed on when warrants were issued by the FISA court on other items.  I've read numerous things over the last four years where the FBI had evidence of Pap without any evidence of the dossier to justify the warrant. Same goes for Manafort, which did not have anything to do with the dossier. 

Again, I really do not want to go down this road, because posters on here just do not even agree on the basic facts and timeframe of everything. At this point, it is beating a dead horse for me. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Short answer: No. 

Not as short answer because again, we just differ on the facts. Define spying? Actually spy on Trump or members of the campaign, because the issues get mixed up. Do I think Trump himself was spied on, no.

Did the FBI use legal means to investigate Papadopoulos that were located before the dossier, yes. Is that considered spying in your mind? 

Was the dossier the smoking gun, unclear and timeline is mixed on when warrants were issued by the FISA court on other items.  I've read numerous things over the last four years where the FBI had evidence of Pap without any evidence of the dossier to justify the warrant. Same goes for Manafort, which did not have anything to do with the dossier. 

Again, I really do not want to go down this road, because posters on here just do not even agree on the basic facts and timeframe of everything. At this point, it is beating a dead horse 

And you are in the running for post of the year already.  You are absolutely brain washed, live in a massive vacuum of misinformation ....or just plain stupid.  

The evidence that the FBI, DOJ, State Dept. and WH were all working together in a manner that was illegal is overwhelming.  

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Short answer: No. 

Not as short answer because again, we just differ on the facts. Define spying? Actually spy on Trump or members of the campaign, because the issues get mixed up. Do I think Trump himself was spied on, no.

Did the FBI use legal means to investigate Papadopoulos that were located before the dossier, yes. Is that considered spying in your mind? 

Was the dossier the smoking gun, unclear and timeline is mixed on when warrants were issued by the FISA court on other items.  I've read numerous things over the last four years where the FBI had evidence of Pap without any evidence of the dossier to justify the warrant. Same goes for Manafort, which did not have anything to do with the dossier. 

Again, I really do not want to go down this road, because posters on here just do not even agree on the basic facts and timeframe of everything. At this point, it is beating a dead horse for me. 

So you agree that the DNC funded dossier started the "monitoring" of people in the Trump campaign.

I understand you want to sugar coat some of the words you are using to defend the left here, but I never said directly Obama and I never said directly Trump.

You basically wrote a few paragraphs to say "well you are right, but I am going to change some of the verbage to make it not sound as bad". You are arguing semantics. The Obama administration used a DNC funded fake dossier to get a FISA warrant to spy/monitor people in the Trump campaign. 

It's really much simpler than you are making it out to be.