posted by geeblock

Maybe you should watch more footage. Check out the 5:00 minute mark

I've already seen it.  Doesn't refute anything I said - it was a mostly disorganized, unarmed mob. They weren't going to "take" or "keep" anything, much less Trump in office.

Trump sucks at insurrection just like he sucks at being a racist.

posted by gut

I've already seen it.  Doesn't refute anything I said - it was a mostly disorganized, unarmed mob. They weren't going to "take" or "keep" anything, much less Trump in office.

Trump sucks at insurrection just like he sucks at being a racist.

Way more than200 people 

posted by gut

97% of the protestors were peaceful.

More like 99.8%, or more. 

posted by gut
I figured as much

LOL!  Thanks

posted by majorspark

By the same technicality Trump no longer holds civil office and the Senate has lost its authority to conduct a trial.  Just like the Chief Justice will not preside over a trial of someone who no longer holds the office of the Presidency.

Say the Senate holds the authority to conduct an impeachment trial of someone who no longer holds civil office.  If that office is the Presidency how does the Chief Justice not fulfill his obligation to preside over it?  This is not some circuit court judge.

Instead what you have is a circus where a rabid partisan juror presides over a show trial.  The office of the President and the impeachment process itself have suffered likely irreparable harm.  Its 3rd world shit.

My question to you then, what mechanisms are there to punish a President in their last moments of office? If a President commits an impeachment offense on 1/19 does it not matter then? 

Let's say for example, that on January 19, 2017 it was found Obama did in fact spy on Trump and there was evidence. Would it not be within the rights of Congress to start the impeachment proceedings even if they bleed into the Trump Presidency? 

If the Presidency does go from 1/20 to 1/20, then the actions of those times should also be subject to oversight and impeachment of the Congress, within reason. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

My question to you then, what mechanisms are there to punish a President in their last moments of office? If a President commits an impeachment offense on 1/19 does it not matter then? 

Let's say for example, that on January 19, 2017 it was found Obama did in fact spy on Trump and there was evidence. Would it not be within the rights of Congress to start the impeachment proceedings even if they bleed into the Trump Presidency? 

If the Presidency does go from 1/20 to 1/20, then the actions of those times should also be subject to oversight and impeachment of the Congress, within reason. 

Let me keep this simple for you for multiple reasons.  If you commit an impeachable offense right before leaving office, the act of leaving office accomplishes what an impeachment does.

As for a President violating a law, we have courts for that.  If Trump broke the law and is now out of office, go arrest him.  He might actually get due process then.  

posted by QuakerOats

More like 99.8%, or more. 

They crushed a cop to death lol 

This you, @tedcruz ? https://t.co/Ls012NSs5e pic.twitter.com/rB2zn4iROF

— Rex Chapman🏇🏼 (@RexChapman) February 11, 2021

All it took was a bunch of idiots to raid the capitol for gblock to start caring for cops.  Pretty remarkable. 

posted by like_that

All it took was a bunch of idiots to raid the capitol for gblock to start caring for cops.  Pretty remarkable. 

And for Quaker to suddenly think protesters are great guys and there really wasn't anything bad going on.

posted by like_that

All it took was a bunch of idiots to raid the capitol for gblock to start caring for cops.  Pretty remarkable. 

Lol someone has to talk about it. We have 250 pages on blm and 3 sentences on this situation. 

posted by geeblock

Lol someone has to talk about it. We have 250 pages on blm and 3 sentences on this situation. 

Probably because it happened once, everyone denounced it, they are getting arrested for it, and the current VP and celebrities didn't donate to their bail funds. But go off and continue to embellish that it was an attempt at government overthrow and the amount of cops that died.

posted by iclfan2

Probably because it happened once, everyone denounced it, they are getting arrested for it, and the current VP and celebrities didn't donate to their bail funds. But go off and continue to embellish that it was an attempt at government overthrow and the amount of cops that died.

Lol it just shows that people don’t really care about cops in the first place. They just use it to bash blm. People really don’t have a problem with rioting as long as they can understand the reason for it 

It was the first time because it was the first time they haven’t gotten their way since they lynched and killed black people for trying to eat at lunch counters or go to a good school. They are literally rioting because their candidate didn’t win an election.  I guess they didn’t put their head down and go to work like you predicted 

posted by geeblock

They crushed a cop to death lol 

This you, @tedcruz ? https://t.co/Ls012NSs5e pic.twitter.com/rB2zn4iROF

— Rex Chapman🏇🏼 (@RexChapman) February 11, 2021

I was just doing simple math.  If you have 150,000 people at a rally, and about 5% of them go from the rally to the Capitol, and 97% of the 5% stand around taking selfies, you are left with about 200 who were engaged in bad behavior, unlawful entry and vandalism.  They should, and will be, prosecuted.  It was a one-off moment for a  few people who went  overboard.   And none of them is being bailed out by K Harris.

posted by Heretic

And for Quaker to suddenly think protesters are great guys and there really wasn't anything bad going on.

Lol this is true too.  Most of us are ironically chiming in about "97% peaceful," meanwhile QO is taking it seriously. 

posted by geeblock

Lol someone has to talk about it. We have 250 pages on blm and 3 sentences on this situation. 

Congrats.  You're in the early running for cop apologist of 2021.  

What a turnaround. 

posted by like_that

Congrats.  You're in the early running for cop apologist of 2021.  

What a turnaround. 

It’s nice to know u still have no real opinions 

posted by geeblock

It’s nice to know u still have no real opinions 

Ahh, I see you're taking the role of being ptown's little pet parrot.  Good for you. 

posted by like_that

Ahh, I see you're taking the role of being ptown's little pet parrot.  Good for you. 

Ahh another hot take! 

posted by geeblock

Ahh another hot take! 

Ok, let's be real then.  Do you believe both BLM riots and the riot (whatever you want classify it as) at the capitol should be condemned?  

Edit: The riot by Trump supporters, since I know you will want that detail in there. 

posted by like_that

Ok, let's be real then.  Do you believe both BLM riots and the riot (whatever you want classify it as) at the capitol should be condemned?  

Edit: The riot by Trump supporters, since I know you will want that detail in there. 

I condemned all rioting 500 times. It’s irrelevant tho imo  . Do we have to rehash those convos for the 50th time in order to discuss the capitol riots? Why does it always have to be “whatabout” if we discuss anything dealing with the right? 

posted by geeblock

I condemned all rioting 500 times. It’s irrelevant tho imo  . Do we have to rehash those convos for the 50th time in order to discuss the capitol riots? Why does it always have to be “whatabout” if we discuss anything dealing with the right? 

My guess it is because you and many others are being extremely disingenuous when you condemn shit like this.  It's very hard to take seriously.  If you legitimately asked people how they felt about what happened at the Capitol, nobody here is going to be supportive of it.  At the same time, after seeing how you and others reacted to the BLM riots, they aren't going to dance like little monkeys when you ask them to condemn what happened at the Capitol.  This is why nobody will take you seriously, when you are defending a white cop.  

And (mostly) nobody here is buying what you'r selling regarding the bolded part of your post.  That whole protest/riot/police trash thread is full of "whatabout" from you.  Give me a fucking break, you're now pretending you care about what happened to a white cop after all the bullshit you have posted about cops?

posted by like_that

My guess it is because you and many others are being extremely disingenuous when you condemn shit like this.  It's very hard to take seriously.  If you legitimately asked people how they felt about what happened at the Capitol, nobody here is going to be supportive of it.  At the same time, after seeing how you and others reacted to the BLM riots, they aren't going to dance like little monkeys when you ask them to condemn what happened at the Capitol.  This is why nobody will take you seriously, when you are defending a white cop.  

And (mostly) nobody here is buying what you'r selling regarding the bolded part of your post.  That whole protest/riot/police trash thread is full of "whatabout" from you.  Give me a fucking break, you're now pretending you care about what happened to a white cop after all the bullshit you have posted about cops?

I condemn bad police and hold them to a higher standard than criminals. Sorry if that’s bullshit. I condemn the riots more than most because it gives clowns like you ammo to dog whistle against a cause they didn’t agree with in the first place. Boot lockers like you only come out to support cops when it fits your narrative so miss me with that. Don’t worry the thin blue line will be back out on here soon when it involves an immigrant or poc.  

I never asked how people felt about the capitol riots. I just pointed out the inaccurate info and framing that came along with it 

posted by geeblock

I condemn bad police and hold them to a higher standard than criminals. Sorry if that’s bullshit. I condemn the riots more than most because it gives clowns like you ammo to dog whistle against a cause they didn’t agree with in the first place. Boot lockers like you only come out to support cops when it fits your narrative so miss me with that. Don’t worry the thin blue line will be back out on here soon when it involves an immigrant or poc.  

Lol, I am glad you picked up your buzz insults from twitter.  Do you even know what half of shit you posted even means?  You didn't condemn shit. You're only kidding yourself.  If you did, there were half ass attempts with "whatabout."   

As for me being a boot licker, I use logic.  I think most laws being enforced to place people in deadly situations are bullshit.  I also think cops currently enforcing covid "laws" are pieces of shit for enforcing unconstitutional bullshit.  

At the same time, when people do shit to get  killed by a cop, I also think they are dumb for playing with fire, because in the mass majority of cases they escalate it to that level.  It's really not that hard to think outside of your black/white world.

posted by like_that

Lol, I am glad you picked up your buzz insults from twitter.  Do you even know what half of shit you posted even means?  You didn't condemn shit, let's be real.   As for me being a boot licker, I use logic.  I think most laws being enforced to place people in deadly situations are bullshit.  I also think cops currently enforcing covid "laws" are pieces of shit for enforcing unconstitutional bullshit.  

At the same time, when people do shit to get  killed by a cop, I also think they are dumb for playing with fire.  It's really not that hard to think outside of your black/white world.

All this to change the subject from the right falling apart lol we have had this conversation 50 times. And u don’t get to create my narrative I condemned all rioting and violence. That is a whole other convo from how I feel about police and the social Justice system which is now where you have moved the goalpost because your party is now a laughing stock