Indian Creek 2010

• creekloyal

  icskins;601683 wrote:That's great. You are complaining about someone having "selective memory" for something that you didn't see. Do you know what the penalties were? Were there a bunch of false starts and offsides? 17 penalties seems like a lot, but it all depends on what they were. But of course, you will jump on IC. I am sure that the refs were IC graduates and just doing everything they could to help them win.

  
  John hay's center kept picking up the football and moving it around. That's what the penalties were.
• Thinthickbigred

  outdoorsman;605916 wrote:If you would have seen the game, it should had been 30-1. It was the most undisciplined team I had ever seen. They had talent but, very badly coached.

  
  The funny thing about it is if it were a Big Red game the ref would have thrown many phantom holding calls or illegal procedure such as line up calls on Big Red to make it look better ,but then again we wouldnt have been in a dog fight with john Hay ..so all this talk is moot speak ... BTW where is the 2011 thread I started for you guys?
• sonofsam

  

  If it were a Big Red game, your paid ref staff would have done everything they could (like Tillman did against Inkster yet they still beat you) to make sure Big Red kept getting chances. Did you notice Tillman coached his first game at Kettlewell this past year in like what... 20 years? What was he banned from the stadium for? Oh thats right, he was RECRUITING players while he was refing the games....
• MANAZE

  

  If you want to talk about bans, how is it Sam ever coached at Creek when wasn't he banned from Wintersville?
• sonofsam

  

  MANAZE;609697 wrote:If you want to talk about bans, how is it Sam ever coached at Creek when wasn't he banned from Wintersville?

  
  Where do you get this stuff?
• outdoorsman

  Creek fans dont want to post on your troll like threads.
  

  Thinthickbigred;609474 wrote:The funny thing about it is if it were a Big Red game the ref would have thrown many phantom holding calls or illegal procedure such as line up calls on Big Red to make it look better ,but then again we wouldnt have been in a dog fight with john Hay ..so all this talk is moot speak ... BTW where is the 2011 thread I started for you guys?

• MANAZE

  

  sonofsam;610666 wrote:Where do you get this stuff?

  
  History. Something about throwing a chair or hitting a student can't quite remember thats why I was asking but Sam was banned from Wintersville.
• sonofsam

  

  MANAZE;610888 wrote:History. Something about throwing a chair or hitting a student can't quite remember thats why I was asking but Sam was banned from Wintersville.

  
  I have thrown chairs and if my kid was out of line/lazy I would expect the coach to smack them up a bit too... I think you are confused with your info.
• MANAZE

  

  So let me get this right you think it is ok for a coach to throw a chair at a child or to hit a child? You need serious help.
  
  I might be confused with the details but I'm sure Sam was not allowed to coach at Wintersville after what he did there.
• sonofsam

  

  MANAZE;612423 wrote:So let me get this right you think it is ok for a coach to throw a chair at a child or to hit a child? You need serious help.
  
  I might be confused with the details but I'm sure Sam was not allowed to coach at Wintersville after what he did there.

  
  Yes I do... Unlike sue happy "I am a complete retard" parents today, I believe that when you drop you kids off at practice the coach becomes "dad"... Do not interfear and let him do his job. Thats why Big Red wins the way they do... They let Reno do what he has to. I have been told what he does and throwing a chair is like blowing a kiss to your special son... You want to be the best, expect a little hell. Plain and simple.
• d.woods50fan.

  

  sonofsam;612938 wrote:Yes I do... Unlike sue happy "I am a complete retard" parents today, I believe that when you drop you kids off at practice the coach becomes "dad"... Do not interfear and let him do his job. Thats why Big Red wins the way they do... They let Reno do what he has to. I have been told what he does and throwing a chair is like blowing a kiss to your special son... You want to be the best, expect a little hell. Plain and simple.

  
  So you saying IC doesnt want to be the best since Sam did that and got canned ?!?!
• MANAZE

  

  I can tell SOS has no kids because he has no idea what it is to be a parent. You have proven that you have no idea what it takes to win at football. No coach should ever be "dad". I raise my own kids not anyone else and if any coach ever hit my kid with anything he wouldn't have to worry about the school board or getting fired, he'd have to worry about me. Plain and simple you don't lay your hands on a child that is not yours. Then again if someone might have bashed SOS in the head when he was young they might have knocked some common sense into him.
• sonofsam

  

  MANAZE;613013 wrote:I can tell SOS has no kids because he has no idea what it is to be a parent. You have proven that you have no idea what it takes to win at football. No coach should ever be "dad". I raise my own kids not anyone else and if any coach ever hit my kid with anything he wouldn't have to worry about the school board or getting fired, he'd have to worry about me. Plain and simple you don't lay your hands on a child that is not yours. Then again if someone might have bashed SOS in the head when he was young they might have knocked some common sense into him.

  I do not have any kids of my own, however my girlfriend does. What you said is THE PROBLEM that a lot of football teams have these days. When you drop your kid off at practice, you are entrusting that coach to treat your child as if they were his own... The problem is that TOO MANY parents coddle their kids and in this sue happy world a coach is limited to letting kids get away with things during practices and games. A good example is a family taking a week vacation at the beginning of August and taking their child/player with them. What is a coach supposed to do? He cannot force a player to fore go the vacation and fulfill his commitment to the team... Another is when a kid at practice slacks off and acts lazy and when confronted says "its just practice"... I would hope that if I had a kid and he said something like this, the coach would run him until he pukes and give him an attitude adjustment in the locker room as well as tell me about the incident because there will be consequences for that kind of behavior toward a coach and team. Plain and simple it comes down to this... Kids are coddled to damn much these days and I am not that kind of person. You want a car, work for it and buy it, you want a cell phone... Same thing. You want to be part of a team, you give your best every second you are at practice, in a game, and you RESPECT your coach an team as you would your own family. Sorry if I don't get your vote for Father of the year, but chances are your kids wouldn't be on my list for kid of the year either.
  
  Dwoods,
  Sam got canned because he didn't play by the school boards rules... They wanted to have a say in how the team was run and thats not the way it works. They got rid of Sam and hired Mays who did everything he was told... We had some really good 2-8 and 3-7 years during that period. When Connor took over, he played by the rules also until he put his job on the line and took control of the team back from the school board and the parents that did nothing but complain and fight over what should happen next. Since then we have had 2 winning seasons and will continue to improve as long as the right people coach and the other people stay the hell out. Coach Sam was a very good coach... Even Reno will tell you the same. Even though they seemed to be mortal enemies, they still hold a mutual respect for each other and the style of coaching they practice. I remember a few years back a Big Red player wanted to skip Saturday morning check in or what ever they do because his parents got him OSU tickets... In order to go, he was told he had to jog home from practice on wednesday through down town and up sinclair to his home. A coach followed behind him to make sure he did what he was supposed to. A lot of parents would see that as punishment and cruel, to me that is a good coach. Sometimes a player needs a compliment, sometimes they need a kick in the rear... I trust a coach to make that decision and carry out that action as needed.
• d.woods50fan.

  

  SOS so your saying im right, cause to be "the best" the coach cant just do what the school board wants him to do. Since Sam all the other coachs have been puppets and not coachs.
• outdoorsman

  Perhaps you do not follow the program. There was a kid kicked off last year that had great potental. If the kid had kept it clean, the team had a better chance of winning another game and getting into the playoffs.
  
  If you dont know what you are saying, than shut up.
  

  d.woods50fan.;613206 wrote:SOS so your saying im right, cause to be "the best" the coach cant just do what the school board wants him to do. Since Sam all the other coachs have been puppets and not coachs.

• sonofsam

  

  d.woods50fan.;613206 wrote:SOS so your saying im right, cause to be "the best" the coach cant just do what the school board wants him to do. Since Sam all the other coachs have been puppets and not coachs.

  
  Sam wasn't a puppet and no I am not saying you are right.
• Thinthickbigred

  sonofsam;613594 wrote:Sam wasn't a puppet and no I am not saying you are right.

  
  He said since sam ...hence after sam was coach ..... thought i might help you a little
• MANAZE

  

  sonofsam;613197 wrote:I do not have any kids of my own, however my girlfriend does. What you said is THE PROBLEM that a lot of football teams have these days. When you drop your kid off at practice, you are entrusting that coach to treat your child as if they were his own... The problem is that TOO MANY parents coddle their kids and in this sue happy world a coach is limited to letting kids get away with things during practices and games. A good example is a family taking a week vacation at the beginning of August and taking their child/player with them. What is a coach supposed to do? He cannot force a player to fore go the vacation and fulfill his commitment to the team... Another is when a kid at practice slacks off and acts lazy and when confronted says "its just practice"... I would hope that if I had a kid and he said something like this, the coach would run him until he pukes and give him an attitude adjustment in the locker room as well as tell me about the incident because there will be consequences for that kind of behavior toward a coach and team. Plain and simple it comes down to this... Kids are coddled to damn much these days and I am not that kind of person.

  
  Family comes before football. Are you saying as a parent who works I shouldn't be allowed to take my vacation in Aug. if that is the only time that I can take it? Also if a coach can not get a kid caught up missing one week of practice than that coach needs fired.
  
  If a kid doesn't want to practice you don't have to run him till he pukes just don't play him on Friday and he'll figure it out or quit.
  
  And the other stuff father of the year and whatever until you actully become one you have no idea what it really takes and what it feels like to be one and if/when that day ever happens your feelings will change.
• The_end_of_overlook

  Manaze,
  Family does come first. However, if you have made a commitment to a team then that commitment should come first. This is part of the problem we see today; there is no real commitment from the players or the parents. What does a kid learn in the long run if he is allowed to miss practice and assume he should be able to play when he returns? A week of 2 a days is actually 2 weeks of regular practice so you are wrong when you say a coach should be able to catch them up. First off it is impossible to catch up on the conditioning they missed. Next if you let a player miss a week of practice for vacation you have now opened a can of worms when it comes to missing practice because if vacation is excused then so should be back to school shopping, and everything else. A major issue with our high school kids is their lack of commitment. They don't think there is a cost to be part of the team they see it as something they should do. It is not, it’s something you earn, it’s something you work for and when once you r earn that spot on the team you them are sacrificing other things in life, because of your choice to be on the team. No one made your kid be on the team, they chose to, therefore they are choosing to miss family vacation because it is football season. Sports at the high school level are about teaching kids lifelong lessons that are hard to get in the traditional classroom. Teaching them responsibility, work ethic, discipline, and team work are a part of playing sports, however, our kids will never learn those things if we give them the easy way out as parents. Be a parent and make the right choice. If your kid wants to be part of the team make them commit and do it right. Parents would rather be friends than parents now.
• MANAZE

  

  The real problem is people think that football is everything when it is not. Playing high school football does not teach work ethic, discipline, or whatever else you think it teaches. If that was the case we wouldn't have so many student athletes who do not know how to spell their last name. If you make a commitment to play a sport than you should be there to play it but if something like a family vacation comes up there is no reason why a student should be punished because he has miss it to practice. Like I said what happened to coaches that knew how to coach and didn't need 11 months out of a students year to make them a better football player?
  
  You think the parents are the problem and in a lot of cases you might be right but when a student has to give up his life to play football it is not worth it. Let kids be kids because the last time I check you are only young once.
• The_end_of_overlook

  Football is not everything. I always liked to see kids have a priority list. For example
  God
  Family
  School
  And then… Football
  
  This is great, however sometimes choosing to commit to something my cause you to occasionally alter your priorities and a better way to put it is they may have to learn how to juggle their priorities.
  
  Next comment, if your student athlete does not know how to read or write there are two possible situations that could cause this. 1st either the parents didn't commit to their child’s educational needs, which falls under the case of educational neglect. Or the second option; You as a parent failed to realize that your school has failed your student either to identify a learning disability or has just past them on, and shame on you for not addressing that, and in this world of open enrollment and private schools, and educational option you should have chose to send you child elsewhere. So once again that’s a fail on the parent for not catching it and getting it fixed.
  
  Finally, your right sports should be fun. But with this day and age and the idea of everyone wanting to win all the time, to be able to compete you must work as harder as or harder than others (part of learning work ethic). If you don't want your kid to commit, work, and get better during the offseason than you can not complain about losing in season. Which brings me to this. Mr. Rogers boned America; he got people to believe that everyone is special. Well we know that’s not reality. You’re only special if you do special things. For example: work hard, being a leader, being a team leader, and being discipline. I don't care if it is school, work, or your home life those things will make you special. Where will you learn those things, lots of place, one of which being sports.
  
  P.S. i will agree coaching isn't what it used to be, but I will also say the same for student athletes and parenting.
• GoChiefs

  

  MANAZE;613936 wrote:Playing high school football does not teach work ethic, discipline, or whatever else you think it teaches.

  
  I disagree with you 1000% right there. That's B.S. if you don't believe that. Or you didn't play sports.
• MANAZE

  

  I played sports and had a coach tell me one time football will help with everything in life and it doesn't. Football did not get me my job, wife, kids, or anything else in my adult grown up life. Football is a game plain and simple.
• GoChiefs

  

  And if playing that sport didn't help mold you into that person that got you that job, wife, and kids, then you didn't care enough about that sport and didn't give your all.
• MANAZE

  

  No my family molded me. People give sports way to much credit. If sports did all that you say it did than why is it most ex-high school sport stars working as baggers at Kroger or having six kids by the time they are 20 with a crimnal record?
  
  Sports are only a game, if a sport has that much influence in your life than your parents have failed.