2017 Browns Off-Season Thread

• SportsAndLady

  

  salto;1840008 wrote:Welcome to the Browns, Mike Glennon.
  
  
  
  *My guess.

  No. He's going to Chicago.
  
  I think, if we're going to grab a FA QB, it's going to be tyrod taylor
• Crimson streak

  

  Commander of Awesome;1840002 wrote:Based on, and why? We have like $100m in cap space.

  Bc he isn't worth elite wr money. Just because we have the cap space doesn't mean you get stuck in a dumbass contract. That's exactly how you lose your cap space in the future. And it also sends a message when negotiating with other players that if you're average the browns will pay you elite money. You pay him the market value. If that's not good enough for him then fuck him
  
  
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• Sonofanump

  SportsAndLady;1840023 wrote:No. He's going to Chicago.
  
  I think, if we're going to grab a FA QB, it's going to be tyrod taylor

  Agree
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Crimson streak;1840024 wrote:Bc he isn't worth elite wr money. Just because we have the cap space doesn't mean you get stuck in a dumbass contract. That's exactly how you lose your cap space in the future. And it also sends a message when negotiating with other players that if you're average the browns will pay you elite money. You pay him the market value. If that's not good enough for him then fuck him
  
  
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  Market Value goes up every yr, whether you like it or not. Can't pay Pryor the going rate of WRs in 2004, doesn't work like that. Travis fucking Benjamin signed a 4 yr/$24m contract last season. Pryor is close to twice as good as him and provides offensive flexibility with QB/RB plays. Gotta live in the real world with good players, you like them you have to pay to keep them.
• like_that

  

  Crimson streak;1840024 wrote:Bc he isn't worth elite wr money. Just because we have the cap space doesn't mean you get stuck in a dumbass contract. That's exactly how you lose your cap space in the future. And it also sends a message when negotiating with other players that if you're average the browns will pay you elite money. You pay him the market value. If that's not good enough for him then fuck him
  
  
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  I agree with this. Pyror isn't (or at least shouldn't be) getting elite WR money. The Browns and Pyror surely can find a fucking compromise. The Browns should have just franchised him, instead of fucking around. He really was the only guy worth franchising smh.
  
  They should also be working on an extension for Kirksey, instead of fucking around and waiting until next off season.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1840045 wrote:I agree with this. Pyror isn't (or at least shouldn't be) getting elite WR money. The Browns and Pyror surely can find a fucking compromise. The Browns should have just franchised him, instead of fucking around. He really was the only guy worth franchising smh.
  
  They should also be working on an extension for Kirksey, instead of fucking around and waiting until next off season.

  Instead they sign a fucking punter to an extension SMH.
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1840039 wrote:Market Value goes up every yr, whether you like it or not. Can't pay Pryor the going rate of WRs in 2004, doesn't work like that. Travis fucking Benjamin signed a 4 yr/$24m contract last season. Pryor is close to twice as good as him and provides offensive flexibility with QB/RB plays. Gotta live in the real world with good players, you like them you have to pay to keep them.

  I think $10M/year is more than fair for Pryor. Especially considering the Browns saved his career.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1840045 wrote:I agree with this. Pyror isn't (or at least shouldn't be) getting elite WR money. The Browns and Pyror surely can find a fucking compromise. The Browns should have just franchised him, instead of fucking around. He really was the only guy worth franchising smh.
  
  They should also be working on an extension for Kirksey, instead of fucking around and waiting until next off season.

  This just sounds like the Tristan Thompson argument. No one is QQing about his contract now.
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1840047 wrote:Instead they sign a fucking punter to an extension SMH.

  Wellllll, they will be punting a lot smfh.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1840048 wrote:I think $10M/year is more than fair for Pryor. Especially considering the Browns saved his career.

  Fine by me, get it done. However, when there are reports of 12 franchises trying to get a meeting with him, I think it's unrealistic.
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1840049 wrote:This just sounds like the Tristan Thompson argument. No one is QQing about his contract now.

  Is the NFL expecting a ridiculous hike in cap space like the NBA? I don't think the two situations are comparable.
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1840052 wrote:Fine by me, get it done. However, when there are reports of 12 franchises trying to get a meeting with him, I think it's unrealistic.

  I bet the average offer from these teams are right around $10M at most.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1840053 wrote:Is the NFL expecting a ridiculous hike in cap space like the NBA? I don't think the two situations are comparable.

  
  Yeah actually.
  The league has announced they have settled on a $167 million dollar salary cap for the upcoming 2017-2018 NFL season.
  
  This is an increase from the $155.27 cap in 2016, $143.28 in 2015, $133 and $123 the years prior.
  That is an increase of roughly 37.6-percent in the last 5 years, depending just where the league sets the cap for the upcoming NFL season.
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1840056 wrote:Yeah actually.
  The league has announced they have settled on a $167 million dollar salary cap for the upcoming 2017-2018 NFL season.
  
  This is an increase from the $155.27 cap in 2016, $143.28 in 2015, $133 and $123 the years prior.
  That is an increase of roughly 37.6-percent in the last 5 years, depending just where the league sets the cap for the upcoming NFL season.

  Then yeah the Browns are most likely being petty cheap. Pryor and his agent probably are more than well aware of the cap increase.
• sleeper

  

  I'd keep Pryor but I wouldn't go overboard on his contract. He's not a top 10 receiver in the league so pay him market value or MV with a slight premium at best and call it a day.
• like_that

  

  They could also load the contract with incentives to make Pryor happy.
• sleeper

  

  like_that;1840066 wrote:They could also load the contract with incentives to make Pryor happy.

  I'd like to see a $20M bonus if he wins a Super Bowl with the Browns.
• Crimson streak

  

  Commander of Awesome;1840039 wrote:Market Value goes up every yr, whether you like it or not. Can't pay Pryor the going rate of WRs in 2004, doesn't work like that. Travis fucking Benjamin signed a 4 yr/$24m contract last season. Pryor is close to twice as good as him and provides offensive flexibility with QB/RB plays. Gotta live in the real world with good players, you like them you have to pay to keep them.

  10 mil a year is more than fair. He's looking for 12-15m that's top 3 wr money. I'm sorry but fuck that. He had 1 good year and had terrible yac numbers. I don't even think he's even worth 10 mil. Like I said anywhere from 7-10 mill or tell him to fuck off.
  
  
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• Commander of Awesome

  

  Crimson streak;1840075 wrote:10 mil a year is more than fair. He's looking for 12-15m that's top 3 wr money. I'm sorry but fuck that. He had 1 good year and had terrible yac numbers. I don't even think he's even worth 10 mil. Like I said anywhere from 7-10 mill or tell him to fuck off.
  
  
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  It'd be "top 3 money" until next season. You have to look at it as % of the cap in which case it's actually pretty reasonable. Travis Benjamin was making 4 yrs for $24 as the teams 3rd WR/PR.
  
  Would you rather have Pryor as our #1 for say $12m or Richardo Louis as our #2? Pretty EZ decision for me. You can't get bent out of shape about "top 3 blah blah blah". All that says is he got his deal most recently. Let's do a though experiement, AJ Green Julio Jones, and Antonio Brown all hit FA this yr as well. You think Pryor at $12m is still "top 3"? lol neither do I.
• Azubuike24

  

  Mo Sanu got almost 7M a year so short-term, Pryor's demands aren't outrageous. He's relatively old, so this is his chance at the biggest contract of his career. Can't blame him.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2696408-2017-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-post-combine-projections
  
  I'd QQ at #12.
  
  Love the Noah Brown pick tho.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Sobo's take on Pryror:
  
  "Let me provide a couple numbers to show you where the market stood, how Pryor compares and the numbers being discussed--four years, $52 million--aren't crazy.
  
  I'm going to use the Seattle Seahawks as an example, because they're considered one of the NFL's best-run franchises and signed similar deals with two of their top players within the past year and a half.
  Doug Baldwin is the seventh-highest paid WR in the NFL. He agreed to a new extension last offseason for four years and $46 million. Baldwin, like Pryor, only had one year of top production before signing the extension. Here are the splits:
  
  Baldwin: 78/1,069/14
  Pryor: 77/1,007/4
  
  The two are same age going into their contract negotiations, albeit Baldwin played with a much better quarterback.
  Now, the Browns already re-signed Jamie Collins this offseason. The Seahawks re-signed a similarly talented linebacker in Bobby Wagner just prior to the 2015 campaign (so did Kuechly and Kerrigan, but those were five-year deals).
  Collins became the highest-paid (yearly average) off-the-ball linebacker when he agreed to a four-year, $50 million contract. Wagner signed a four-year, $43 million contract. That's an 16 percent increase in Collins' favor on a per year basis.
  If Pryor signed for the amount discussed, that's a 13 percent increase over Baldwin's previous deal.
  
  So, the Browns are in the same ballpark in each situation. Obviously, this doesn't take into consideration guaranteed money. That could change the entire argument. But this should also show that Pryor's market isn't as insane as some believe. "
• SportsAndLady

  

  Top 3 money for Pryor is fucking ridiculous. I don't give a shit about cap increases, % increase, blah blah blah. Top 3 money for one good season is insane and how you get stuck in shit contracts.
  
  That being said, browns are retarded for not franchising him.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  SportsAndLady;1840094 wrote:Top 3 money for Pryor is fucking ridiculous. I don't give a shit about cap increases, % increase, blah blah blah. Top 3 money for one good season is insane and how you get stuck in shit contracts.
  
  That being said, browns are retarded for not franchising him.

  Franchising him would have made him the 2nd highest paid WR, sooo....
• sleeper

  

  Commander of Awesome;1840090 wrote:Sobo's take on Pryror:
  
  "Let me provide a couple numbers to show you where the market stood, how Pryor compares and the numbers being discussed--four years, $52 million--aren't crazy.
  
  I'm going to use the Seattle Seahawks as an example, because they're considered one of the NFL's best-run franchises and signed similar deals with two of their top players within the past year and a half.
  Doug Baldwin is the seventh-highest paid WR in the NFL. He agreed to a new extension last offseason for four years and $46 million. Baldwin, like Pryor, only had one year of top production before signing the extension. Here are the splits:
  
  Baldwin: 78/1,069/14
  Pryor: 77/1,007/4
  
  The two are same age going into their contract negotiations, albeit Baldwin played with a much better quarterback.
  Now, the Browns already re-signed Jamie Collins this offseason. The Seahawks re-signed a similarly talented linebacker in Bobby Wagner just prior to the 2015 campaign (so did Kuechly and Kerrigan, but those were five-year deals).
  Collins became the highest-paid (yearly average) off-the-ball linebacker when he agreed to a four-year, $50 million contract. Wagner signed a four-year, $43 million contract. That's an 16 percent increase in Collins' favor on a per year basis.
  If Pryor signed for the amount discussed, that's a 13 percent increase over Baldwin's previous deal.
  
  So, the Browns are in the same ballpark in each situation. Obviously, this doesn't take into consideration guaranteed money. That could change the entire argument. But this should also show that Pryor's market isn't as insane as some believe. "

  Right because the Seahawks and Browns franchises are in the same place. Sure, let's give a massive contract to a WR on a team that's 3 years away from playoff contention because that's the same as a team that is already Super Bowl contenders.
  
  Learn to think for yourself. It will help you out from making minimum wage.