2017 Browns Off-Season Thread

• BR1986FB

  Commander of Awesome;1840608 wrote:Now Browns need to trade #12 for Jimmy G & the O is basically complete.

  +1
  
  Either resign Crowell or grab a back in the draft and load up on defense in this draft.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Sign AP, and trade the 12th pick for Jimmy G, SUPER BOWL
• BR1986FB

  sleeper;1840612 wrote:I'd rather trade for Cousins. The #12 pick or the #33 pick might do it.

  Yeah, I doubt that. Garoppolo is pretty unproven but Cousins has a pretty good sample size. The starting asking price for Cousins is probably at least two 1st's. I'm now of the belief that, if you get your QB, there's no price that's really too steep (assuming he pans out), but I'd rather have Jimmy G and keep a few picks when he could be as good (or better).
• sleeper

  

  BR1986FB;1840619 wrote:Yeah, I doubt that. Garoppolo is pretty unproven but Cousins has a pretty good sample size. The starting asking price for Cousins is probably at least two 1st's. I'm now of the belief that, if you get your QB, there's no price that's really too steep (assuming he pans out), but I'd rather have Jimmy G and keep a few picks when he could be as good (or better).

  Jimmy G could be absolute shit though outside of the Patriots system, see Matt Cassel. I have no faith he's a good QB.
  
  The Redskins look to be in full rebuild mode but I doubt it would take 2 #1's to get the deal done since he wants out anyways. Maybe it would take the 12th and a 3rd/4th to get it done but that's well worth it. I would even do the 12th and next year's 2nd
• sleeper

  

  SportsAndLady;1840617 wrote:Sign AP, and trade the 12th pick for Jimmy G, SUPER BOWL

  AP would be interesting but he's made of paper. Can he play more than 3 games a season?
• BR1986FB

  Steve Doerschuk‏ @ sdoerschukREP 30s 30 seconds ago # Browns Can't understate value of Joe Thomas is luring guard Kevin Zeitler. Both are former Wisconsin Badgers.
• sleeper

  

  BR1986FB;1840616 wrote:+1
  
  Either resign Crowell or grab a back in the draft and load up on defense in this draft.

  The problem is the Browns always load up on defense and then never can score the ball. We must adapt to the league and focus on offensive production. I'd rather be a team that scores 30 points a game and loses 35-30 than a team that scores 3 points a game and holds the other team to 10. Even other trash tier teams can muster a decent offense every few years but we seem to be focused only on drafting CBs and OLs and none of them ever turn out to be worth it(barring JT).
• bases_loaded

  

  Cousins wants to be with his boy in SF and is a free agent next year...no thanks.
• sleeper

  

  bases_loaded;1840626 wrote:Cousins wants to be with his boy in SF and is a free agent next year...no thanks.

  Any trade would have to include a long term deal. And Hoyer is already headed to SF so I don't think that's an option anymore.
• BR1986FB

  sleeper;1840622 wrote:Jimmy G could be absolute shit though outside of the Patriots system, see Matt Cassel. I have no faith he's a good QB.
  
  The Redskins look to be in full rebuild mode but I doubt it would take 2 #1's to get the deal done since he wants out anyways. Maybe it would take the 12th and a 3rd/4th to get it done but that's well worth it. I would even do the 12th and next year's 2nd

  JG was pretty highly touted coming out of college. He has a pretty quick release and seems to go through his progressions well. Even if they hadn't done what they did with the O-Line today, I still think he could've been successful here, in year one. I don't buy into the system QB thing in most cases. Except for Gronk, the Pat's receiving corps are usually shit sandwiches and it's Brady that makes them look better.
• BR1986FB

  sleeper;1840629 wrote:Any trade would have to include a long term deal. And Hoyer is already headed to SF so I don't think that's an option anymore.

  I think SF is willing to wait on him becoming a FA and signing him for nothing, bridging the gap with Hoyer.
• BR1986FB

  Benjamin Allbright‏Verified account @ AllbrightNFL 5s 6 seconds ago # Browns building something special up there. Really validating analytics approach. Still need defensive help + QB
• sleeper

  

  BR1986FB;1840630 wrote:JG was pretty highly touted coming out of college. He has a pretty quick release and seems to go through his progressions well. Even if they hadn't done what they did with the O-Line today, I still think he could've been successful here, in year one. I don't buy into the system QB thing in most cases. Except for Gronk, the Pat's receiving corps are usually shit sandwiches and it's Brady that makes them look better.

  I mean you can say that about any QB; how do most highly touted QBs turn out in the pros? Very few make it.
  
  If the Patriots are really serious about trading him, it could easily be fool's gold.
  
  Cousin's has proven himself and is worth pursuing even if it costs us more. He took a dog shit team in the Redskins and put them on the map.
• sleeper

  

  BR1986FB;1840631 wrote:I think SF is willing to wait on him becoming a FA and signing him for nothing, bridging the gap with Hoyer.

  Sure but no team is going to trade for him without the long term deal being in place.
• BR1986FB

  sleeper;1840633 wrote: If the Patriots are really serious about trading him, it could easily be fool's gold.

  Could also mean that it seems like Tom Brady has fooled Father Time and could play another 3+ years at a high level and the Pats don't want to spend $20+M to tag a backup QB next year?
• SportsAndLady

  

  sleeper;1840633 wrote:I mean you can say that about any QB; how do most highly touted QBs turn out in the pros? Very few make it.
  
  If the Patriots are really serious about trading him, it could easily be fool's gold.
  
  Cousin's has proven himself and is worth pursuing even if it costs us more. He took a dog shit team in the Redskins and put them on the map.

  The fact the pats haven't traded him by now tells me they are not serious about trading him because they know he's a good QB and you don't just give up good qbs. But if they get the 12th pick in the draft offered to them, I don't see how they refuse that.
  
  And if they ask for the 12th + more picks, or if they ask for the number 1 overall pick, they can kindly go fuck themselves.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Also, I'd be okay with cousins if he'd sign a long term deal, but lets not pretend he's a superstar QB that will elevate this browns team. He's never won a playoff game, even with a decent surrounding cast. His best year was 9-7 if I'm not mistaken.
  
  I'll take him, and he'd easily be our best QB we've had in decades, but I don't think we should sell the barn for him.
• BR1986FB

  sleeper;1840634 wrote:Sure but no team is going to trade for him without the long term deal being in place.

  I agree. Same with JG. You don't give up all of those draft picks for Cousins or JG unless there's a deal in place. You'd end up looking like Gordon Gund when Carlos Boozer f#cked him without giving him a kiss when he walked.
• BR1986FB

  Are you kidding me?
  
  Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 58s58 seconds ago Stunner: Texans trade Brock Osweiler AND 2018 2nd-rd pick to CLEV for Browns to take Osweiler contract off Houston books, sources tell ESPN.
  
  Sounds like the Browns got him for only the contract? Hope he's the backup.
• wildcats20

  

  They got a 2017 6th round pick too
• BR1986FB

  Ok....this is better
  
  
  
  [h=5]Adam Schefter[/h] · 3 mins · Facebook Mentions
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  NFL stunner: Texans trade QB Brock Osweiler AND a 2018 second-round pick to Cleveland for the Browns to take Osweiler’s $16M salary of Houston’s books, per league sources. The move clears out millions in salary-cap space for Houston to intensify efforts to sign former Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo, per sources. To be exact, Houston saves $16 million in cash and $10 million against their cap this season. The Texans also will get the Browns’ fourth-round pick this year in excha...nge for their own 6th-round pick. So Cleveland gets Osweiler’s contract, a 2018 second-round pick and a 2017 sixth-round pick, and Houston gets Cleveland’s 2017 fourth-round pick, saves $10 million in salary-cap space and $16 million in cash. Cleveland is not committed to keeping Osweiler and is likely to try to trade him, per sources. If so, it would turn into a basketball-like trade in which NBA teams routinely trade contracts to get them off their books; only it rarely, if ever, happens in the NFL. It’s hard to remember in the salary-cap era another team when a team traded a contract to get it off its books. But Houston was so anxious to rid itself of Osweiler and move on to its next quarterbacking chapter that it is giving Cleveland extra picks to take him and his contract. The Browns headed into this free-agent signing period with over $100 million worth of salary-cap space and would struggle to spend it all. Now they can devote some of it to Osweiler’s contract and acquiring extra draft picks from Houston. But this is one of the most, if not the most, creative trade in NFL history.
  
  
  
• sleeper

  

  Interesting trade.
  
  Osweiler sucks so hopefully they find someone to take him.
• Iliketurtles

  

  BR1986FB;1840640 wrote:Are you kidding me?
  
  Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 58s58 seconds ago Stunner: Texans trade Brock Osweiler AND 2018 2nd-rd pick to CLEV for Browns to take Osweiler contract off Houston books, sources tell ESPN.
  
  Sounds like the Browns got him for only the contract? Hope he's the backup.

  Very interesting... So they basically are taking his contract in exchange for a 2nd round pick. Romo to the Texans now right?
• sleeper

  

  Iliketurtles;1840647 wrote:Very interesting... So they basically are taking his contract in exchange for a 2nd round pick. Romo to the Texans now right?

  Pretty much. We also give up our 4th rounder this year in exchange for their 6th rounder.
  
  I doubt the Browns keep Brock either so potentially we net something else too.
• bases_loaded

  

  sleeper;1840646 wrote:Interesting trade.
  
  Osweiler sucks so hopefully they find someone to take him.

  And if they don't, who cares....cut him. Doesn't the team trading eat the bonus?