2016 Cleveland Cavaliers offseason

• Benny The Jet

  

  Mo announces he's coming back, was speculation he'd retire
• Benny The Jet

  

  Benny The Jet;1811972 wrote:Mo announces he's coming back, was speculation he'd retire

  Welp...a week later now he announces he's retired.PG depth could be an issue, would be nice if they had that Delly guy still. Maybe it means more minutes for McCrae somehow
• sleeper

  

  Benny The Jet;1812605 wrote:Welp...a week later now he announces he's retired.PG depth could be an issue, would be nice if they had that Delly guy still. Maybe it means more minutes for McCrae somehow

  No one is surprised. The dude is entirely washed up and PG depth would be an issue regardless if he was on the team.
  
  We have McCrae and Felder that are serviceable D-league players that can burn some minutes when KI needs a break. Don't forget we have LBJ who can play PG as needed and K.Love who is on the team.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  sleeper;1812610 wrote:No one is surprised. The dude is entirely washed up and PG depth would be an issue regardless if he was on the team.
  
  We have McCrae and Felder that are serviceable D-league players that can burn some minutes when KI needs a break. Don't forget we have LBJ who can play PG as needed and K.Love who is on the team.

  He is? What about that Sleeper hotaeks all season saying he would be gone?
• Benny The Jet

  

  I'm excited to see what Mcrae can do with some real minutes this year and playing with 1st teamers.
• sleeper

  

  Benny The Jet;1812613 wrote:I'm excited to see what Mcrae can do with some real minutes this year and playing with 1st teamers.

  Why? He's a D-league type talent doing well in a D-league type environment.
  
  He has no business playing anything other than garbage time in the NBA.
• Benny The Jet

  

  sleeper;1812617 wrote:Why? He's a D-league type talent doing well in a D-league type environment.
  
  He has no business playing anything other than garbage time in the NBA.

  Well hopefully you're wrong...That'd mean we're about 6 guys deep if him and Felder are D Leaguers. I think he can be serviceable
• sleeper

  

  Benny The Jet;1812620 wrote:Well hopefully you're wrong...That'd mean we're about 6 guys deep if him and Felder are D Leaguers. I think he can be serviceable

  That's why we need to pay JR.
  
  JR gives us 5 core players(LBJ, KL, KI, TT, JR) along with serviceable veterans like RJ, Birdman, Frye, Shumpert, and Dunleavy.
  
  Hopefully we sign someone to replace Williams who can be a serviceable backup PG. Felder and Mcrae are D-leaguers; cut the shit with the hype because they played well in the Summer league, which is a far step below the D-league.
• Laley23

  

  Felder will provide a decent second unit PG who can create and score. But, counting on him to produce in crucial minutes probably shouldn't be expected.
  
  That said, Mo Williams was worse than both this coming season. He was a D-League level player himself.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  sleeper;1812617 wrote:Why? He's a D-league type talent doing well in a D-league type environment.
  
  He has no business playing anything other than garbage time in the NBA.

  There it is, he'll be our next Delly but better. Thanks Sleeper!
• friendfromlowry

  sleeper;1812626 wrote:That's why we need to pay JR.
  
  JR gives us 5 core players(LBJ, KL, KI, TT, JR) along with serviceable veterans like RJ, Birdman, Frye, Shumpert, and Dunleavy.
  
  Hopefully we sign someone to replace Williams who can be a serviceable backup PG. Felder and Mcrae are D-leaguers; cut the shit with the hype because they played well in the Summer league, which is a far step below the D-league.

  For someone who doesn't hesitate to call out anyone for being overrated, washed up, d-leage, etc. I'm surprised you consider Birdman serviceable. That guy is the literal definition of washed up.
• sleeper

  

  Commander of Awesome;1812640 wrote:There it is, he'll be our next Delly but better. Thanks Sleeper!

  You're delusional if you think Mcrae is better than Delly. First of all, Delly is an NBA player who played significant minutes on the reigning NBA champion and just signed a $40M contract.
  
  McRae is a perennial D-league talent skating by on 10-day contracts until Cleveland realized it had no cap space to sign an actual NBA player so it threw $874k 1 year contract until they can find something better.
  
  Oh yeah and they are both roughly the same age. Tell me more about how Mcrae is going to turn into a producing NBA talent greater than Delly. Please, I'm listening.
• sleeper

  

  friendfromlowry;1812645 wrote:For someone who doesn't hesitate to call out anyone for being overrated, washed up, d-leage, etc. I'm surprised you consider Birdman serviceable. That guy is the literal definition of washed up.

  He absolutely is washed up but he has NBA experience and is there for a limited role. I don't expect much out of it him other to bang bodies in the post for a few minutes a game.
  
  With the cap situation we have, the only way to fill out the roster is to bring in washed up players and D-league talent. That's the only reason Mcrae is even on the team because he's cheap.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  sleeper;1812808 wrote:You're delusional if you think Mcrae is better than Delly. First of all, Delly is an NBA player who played significant minutes on the reigning NBA champion and just signed a $40M contract.
  

  Yeah he didn't start out there dumbass. You're just wrong on everything, hence the comment about him being the next delly. Not surprised that went over your head, thinking isn't your strong suit.
  
  (Link providedsince you probably don't know what that means).
• Commander of Awesome

  

  http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/09/cavaliers_eyeing_norris_cole_m.html
  
  Didn't know Cole and Chalmers were both available.
• sleeper

  

  Commander of Awesome;1812813 wrote:Yeah he didn't start out there dumbass. You're just wrong on everything, hence the comment about him being the next delly. Not surprised that went over your head, thinking isn't your strong suit.
  
  (Link providedsince you probably don't know what that means).

  Gotcha. So you don't like facts?
  
  Your opinion is unsupported by facts unlike mine. Mcrae is a D-league player on a bare minimum contract because the Cavs are cap constrained. There's a reason he's spent most his career in the D-league and 10-day contracts; he's not good and he never will be. Delly on the other hand IS actually an NBA player who earned a substantial contract after being a main contributor on the reigning NBA champion. It's a shame reality gets in the way of your wet dream.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  sleeper;1812816 wrote:Gotcha. So you don't like facts?
  
  Your opinion is unsupported by facts unlike mine. Mcrae is a D-league player on a bare minimum contract because the Cavs are cap constrained. There's a reason he's spent most his career in the D-league and 10-day contracts; he's not good and he never will be. Delly on the other hand IS actually an NBA player who earned a substantial contract after being a main contributor on the reigning NBA champion. It's a shame reality gets in the way of your wet dream.

  How did Delly get to that Sleeper? He was an undrafted FA and at one point, statistically speaking the worst player in the association.
  
  http://www.fearthesword.com/platform/amp/2015/3/2/8127061/the-problem-of-matthew-dellavedova-synergy-sports
• Heretic

  

  Commander of Awesome;1812821 wrote:How did Delly get to that Sleeper? He was an undrafted FA and at one point, statistically speaking the worst player in the association.
  
  http://www.fearthesword.com/platform/amp/2015/3/2/8127061/the-problem-of-matthew-dellavedova-synergy-sports

  And the whole "after being a main contributor" is a somewhat misleading comment, as well. During the regular season, when teams are resting stars and playing a more full bench, he had his career bests at 24+ minutes and 7.5 or so points. In the playoffs, when the games really matter, he had a total of 1 game with 20+ minutes and in the final two series, there were only 5 games where he had double-digit minutes. Of those, 4 ended with double-digit margins of victory (with them trailing big in the fifth until rallying in the fourth to make it close) and the Cavs were 1-4 in those games.
  
  In the playoffs, the only round he was a respectably legit contributor was against Detroit. In all the others, he averaged under 3 points (although with respectable assist numbers vs. Atlanta and Toronto) on steadily-declining minutes. But "a main contributor"? Lol, no. Main contributors wouldn't be glued to the bench for the duration of a championship-clinching Game 7 win.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Heretic;1812824 wrote:And the whole "after being a main contributor" is a somewhat misleading comment, as well. During the regular season, when teams are resting stars and playing a more full bench, he had his career bests at 24+ minutes and 7.5 or so points. In the playoffs, when the games really matter, he had a total of 1 game with 20+ minutes and in the final two series, there were only 5 games where he had double-digit minutes. Of those, 4 ended with double-digit margins of victory (with them trailing big in the fifth until rallying in the fourth to make it close) and the Cavs were 1-4 in those games.
  
  In the playoffs, the only round he was a respectably legit contributor was against Detroit. In all the others, he averaged under 3 points (although with respectable assist numbers vs. Atlanta and Toronto) on steadily-declining minutes. But "a main contributor"? Lol, no. Main contributors wouldn't be glued to the bench for the duration of a championship-clinching Game 7 win.

  lol, another good point.
  
  Gamer 6 of the finals, Delly played 2 min, dahtnay jones played 5. Could argue he was more pivotal to the series than Delly, Sleeper's crush. lolfail sleeper
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1812828 wrote:lol, another good point.
  
  Gamer 6 of the finals, Delly played 2 min, dahtnay jones played 5. Could argue he was more pivotal to the series than Delly, Sleeper's crush. lolfail sleeper

  Also a d-leaguer. lol fail sleeper.
• sleeper

  

  Commander of Awesome;1812821 wrote:How did Delly get to that Sleeper? He was an undrafted FA and at one point, statistically speaking the worst player in the association.
  
  http://www.fearthesword.com/platform/amp/2015/3/2/8127061/the-problem-of-matthew-dellavedova-synergy-sports

  Proof is in the money. Mcrae's talent and potential combined only amount to a 1-year contract valued at $870k a year. Delly's talent and potential is worth 4 years at $10M a year.
  
  To compare the two is absolute insanity. Mcrae sucks and he never will be anything; Welcome to reality.
• sleeper

  

  Heretic;1812824 wrote:And the whole "after being a main contributor" is a somewhat misleading comment, as well. During the regular season, when teams are resting stars and playing a more full bench, he had his career bests at 24+ minutes and 7.5 or so points. In the playoffs, when the games really matter, he had a total of 1 game with 20+ minutes and in the final two series, there were only 5 games where he had double-digit minutes. Of those, 4 ended with double-digit margins of victory (with them trailing big in the fifth until rallying in the fourth to make it close) and the Cavs were 1-4 in those games.
  
  In the playoffs, the only round he was a respectably legit contributor was against Detroit. In all the others, he averaged under 3 points (although with respectable assist numbers vs. Atlanta and Toronto) on steadily-declining minutes. But "a main contributor"? Lol, no. Main contributors wouldn't be glued to the bench for the duration of a championship-clinching Game 7 win.

  Then Milwalkee got a horrible deal. They could have had Mcrae for 1/10th the price of Delly; what terrible management. Tell me more about your talent evaluation abilities though!
• sleeper

  

  like_that;1812829 wrote:Also a d-leaguer. lol fail sleeper.

  Just like Jordan Mcrae. The savior; holy shit you guys need to watch basketball. There's a reason he rots in the D-league and its not because he has some sort of unlocked potential that the Cavs value. He's a body at the end of a bench for a cap constrained team.
• like_that

  

  Sleeper inventing arguments with himself again. What's new?
• sleeper

  

  like_that;1812836 wrote:Sleeper inventing arguments with himself again. What's new?

  ???
  
  This is no argument. This is reality.
  
  I'm glad Mcrae is on the team because he's a body that we can use to burn some junk minutes at the end of games without impacting the salary cap. His ceiling is 10th man off the bench and you are delusional if you think otherwise.
  
  Can we go back to reality instead of living in la-la land?