2014-2015 Cleveland Cavaliers Season Thread

• slingshot4ever

  this is a better team without Love. Sure, it took some time to get used to the change during Chicago series, but everyone is contributing. This isn't like 2007 where LeBron had to win the games on his own.
• Dr. KnOiTaLL

  

  slingshot4ever;1731262 wrote:Love brings no defense and eats away at TT minutes. We don't sweep Atlanta with a healthy Love. We dont need him stretching the floor with Imam and JR on the perimiter and he can't rebound, especially not like TT.

  You just completely invalidated yourself
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Laley23;1731261 wrote:I don't know. But Love wanted out, wasn't going to resign. Had basically said Cleveland or nothing. Cleveland had ALL the leverage. We have seen that story play out many times before and the trade goes through for "pennies".
  
  I dont know know for sure, but my gut says that trade gets done a few weeks/months into season for picks/Bennett/???. Without Wiggins being a part of it. Seemed like Cleveland panicked when they had the upper hand.

  Have you seen Bennett play basketball? Had he started the season with the Cavaliers, he'd have no trade value at all.
  
  Also , 2 1st round picks, and Anthony Bennett is not landing Kevin Love, the only other trade piece was Dion. And Bennett couldn't get minutes with the Timberwolves....they won 16 games, and he could barely get on the court. He's a bust of epic proportions, and I hate to sound like Sleeper, but he's legit out of the league in 2 years. He has no real discernible Basketball talent.
  
  And regardless if Love wanted out, and only wanted to come to Cleveland, They could've traded him to whatever team they wanted, and gotten more than the Pu Pu Platter we were offering.
  
  Would you rather have 2 confirmed scrubs (DW.AB), and a couple late 1st round picks.....or, for example, Sullinger/Zeller and a late 1st. And if a team really wanted to try, they could up it. You don't think the Lakers would've offered up this years 1st, and Julius Randle/Fillers for Love.
• Lovejoy1984

  

  slingshot4ever;1731262 wrote:Love brings no defense and eats away at TT minutes. We don't sweep Atlanta with a healthy Love. We dont need him stretching the floor with Imam and JR on the perimiter and he can't rebound, especially not like TT.

  LOL.
• robj55

  

  slingshot4ever;1731262 wrote:Love brings no defense and eats away at TT minutes. We don't sweep Atlanta with a healthy Love. We dont need him stretching the floor with Imam and JR on the perimiter and he can't rebound, especially not like TT.

  Is this a joke? If you put Love in the same role that TT has and had him only play around the bucket he would average 15 rebounds per game, way more than TT.
• Lovejoy1984

  

  slingshot4ever;1731263 wrote:this is a better team without Love. Sure, it took some time to get used to the change during Chicago series, but everyone is contributing. This isn't like 2007 where LeBron had to win the games on his own.

  No it isn't.
  
  Kyrie/LBJ are slash and kick players/penetration orientated players, having TT and Mozzie both playing, actually limits our ability to do so, which is why we tend the shit the bed the first quarter, until Mozzie and/or TT come off the floor, and James Jones comes in, to pull a defender away from the paint. Which is also why you don't see Mozzie play in the 4th quarter. More often than not, Kevin/TT were both on the floor in crunch time, which to be honest is our best lineup.
  
  LBJ
  TT
  Love
  Irving
  Shump/Smith rotating.
• Laley23

  

  HighRoller74;1731265 wrote:Have you seen Bennett play basketball? Had he started the season with the Cavaliers, he'd have no trade value at all.
  
  Also , 2 1st round picks, and Anthony Bennett is not landing Kevin Love, the only other trade piece was Dion. And Bennett couldn't get minutes with the Timberwolves....they won 16 games, and he could barely get on the court. He's a bust of epic proportions, and I hate to sound like Sleeper, but he's legit out of the league in 2 years. He has no real discernible Basketball talent.
  
  And regardless if Love wanted out, and only wanted to come to Cleveland, They could've traded him to whatever team they wanted, and gotten more than the Pu Pu Platter we were offering.
  
  Would you rather have 2 confirmed scrubs (DW.AB), and a couple late 1st round picks.....or, for example, Sullinger/Zeller and a late 1st. And if a team really wanted to try, they could up it. You don't think the Lakers would've offered up this years 1st, and Julius Randle/Fillers for Love.

  Fair point on Bennett. Disagree with everything else.
  
  No one but Cleveland was going to get Love because he wouldn't commit to anyone but Cleveland.
  
  You don't think the same things were said when Grant Hill, Vince Carter and Barkley were given away for nothing. Pay Gasol? Baron Davis??
  
  There is a history of being able to get stars for cheap. I fully believe Cleveland couldn't had Love for much cheaper.
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Laley23;1731269 wrote:Fair point on Bennett. Disagree with everything else.
  
  No one but Cleveland was going to get Love because he wouldn't commit to anyone but Cleveland.
  
  You don't think the same things were said when Grant Hill, Vince Carter and Barkley were given away for nothing. Pay Gasol? Baron Davis??
  
  There is a history of being able to get stars for cheap. I fully believe Cleveland couldn't had Love for much cheaper.

  What I'm saying, is there are quite a few teams, like the Lakers/Knicks/Celtics who would've offered up more for Kevin Love on a rental basis. The only chance we had to get Love cheaper than what we did, is if we waited to the Trade Deadline, and none of those teams stepped up. Any offered we could've presented without Wiggins involved, could've been trumped by one of those 3 teams I mentioned above, strictly on a rental basis.
  
  But this discusssion is Moot, because it's all hypothetical.
  
  I'm just happy we turned Dion/Bennett/Wiggins in to Love, Shump, Smith, Mozgov.
• rydawg5

  Is Bennett the worst #1 pick of all time of any sport? I've never seen a #1 pick as bad as him.
  
  
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• slingshot4ever

  Dr. KnOiTaLL;1731264 wrote:You just completely invalidated yourself

  i should have clarified offensive rebounding. Hard to argue that Love is better on the offensive boards.
• robj55

  

  slingshot4ever;1731273 wrote:i should have clarified offensive rebounding. Hard to argue that Love is better on the offensive boards.

  go watch him in Minnesota, of course he can't offensive rebound for the Cavs when he's around the three point like 24 feet from the basket 90% of the time. Love is hands down a better rebounder than Thompson.
• sportswizuhrd

  Kyrie-JR-LeBron-Love and Mozgov are the Cavs best 5 man unit...
  
  http://www.82games.com/1415/1415CLE2.HTM
• SportsAndLady

  

  slingshot4ever;1731273 wrote:i should have clarified I don't watch basketball.

  Fair enough.
  
  
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• ernest_t_bass

  

  sportswizuhrd;1731279 wrote:Kyrie-JR-LeBron-Love and Mozgov are the Cavs best 5 man unit...
  
  http://www.82games.com/1415/1415CLE2.HTM

  Delly's Highest is 8. Intradasting
• Laley23

  

  Loves best rebounding per 48 are better than TT. Both overall and offensive.
• Crimson streak

  

  Not only that, love opens the lane so much more for LeBron and kyrie. Something Thompson can't
  
  
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• Azubuike24

  

  After acquiring Mozgov, Shumpert and Smith, Love became much less of a need. It has shown in the playoffs. It's hard to say though, at the time, the Cavs overpaid. I mean, they had no clue what they would do this year or that they could make the finals without Love. They also didn't realize what the combo of Thompson, Smith, Shumpert and Mozgov could give to off-set Love.
  
  I think the real debate will be the make-up of the roster in 2 years, depending who you keep and what Thompson will cost. You gotta figure J.R. Smith will want a long-term deal with Cleveland after this year. If the Cavs decide on Mozgov, do they try to get someone to take Varejao?
• BR1986FB

  Azubuike24;1731326 wrote:After acquiring Mozgov, Shumpert and Smith, Love became much less of a need. It has shown in the playoffs. It's hard to say though, at the time, the Cavs overpaid. I mean, they had no clue what they would do this year or that they could make the finals without Love. They also didn't realize what the combo of Thompson, Smith, Shumpert and Mozgov could give to off-set Love.
  
  I think the real debate will be the make-up of the roster in 2 years, depending who you keep and what Thompson will cost. You gotta figure J.R. Smith will want a long-term deal with Cleveland after this year. If the Cavs decide on Mozgov, do they try to get someone to take Varejao?

  The thing I've heard about JR Smith is that he will, many times, play the "good soldier" when coming into a new situation but that wears off in the second year and he starts becoming a distraction. With Lebron being here and playing "big brother" this may be the one time where Smith toes the line.
• Al Bundy

  Azubuike24;1731326 wrote:After acquiring Mozgov, Shumpert and Smith, Love became much less of a need. It has shown in the playoffs. It's hard to say though, at the time, the Cavs overpaid. I mean, they had no clue what they would do this year or that they could make the finals without Love. They also didn't realize what the combo of Thompson, Smith, Shumpert and Mozgov could give to off-set Love.
  
  I think the real debate will be the make-up of the roster in 2 years, depending who you keep and what Thompson will cost. You gotta figure J.R. Smith will want a long-term deal with Cleveland after this year. If the Cavs decide on Mozgov, do they try to get someone to take Varejao?

  Why wouldn't you want varejao in the rotation. If he recovers, he should be a solid player off the bench as he gets older.
• BR1986FB

  Al Bundy;1731329 wrote:Why wouldn't you want varejao in the rotation. If he recovers, he should be a solid player off the bench as he gets older.

  As long as Lebron is around, I'll be surprised if AV or TT go anywhere.
• Azubuike24

  

  A "problem child" like he couldn't ask for a better situation. He's on a team where he will always play 3rd or 4th fiddle, but will have times where he gets to "get his". He won't be in the media spotlight and won't ever be blamed for losses. Doing that while being able to make 8-10M a year is just about as good as it could get for him. He's probably looking at his last chance at a multi-year deal here too, so the Cavs should have some decent leverage to get him retained for a decent rate.
  
  Mosgov is a bigger question. Can the Cavs really afford to give him a Gortat/Asik/Splitter/Varejao type contract, with Varejao already under contract until 2018? I don't see it. It would be desirable because he's still in his prime.
• Azubuike24

  

  Would the Cavs rather have a 29-year old Mozgov or a 32-year old Varejao (off an Achilles tear) going forward? I just meant it will take some creativeness to make that happen, if that's what they want.
• SportsAndLady

  

  I want no part of varejao on this team. He can't be relied on to stay healthy.
  
  
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• Dr. KnOiTaLL

  

  SportsAndLady;1731335 wrote:I want no part of varejao on this team. He can't be relied on to stay healthy.

  I agree that it sucks paying him the type of money we do simply because people love him. Unfortunately, he's going to be here for the long haul. He's one of LeBron's all-time favorite teammates, and what LeBron wants, LeBron gets around here. Not saying it's right, just telling it how it is.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  Is it not possible to have both?