Baltimore @ Cleveland

• thavoice

  bases_loaded;1656484 wrote:Well yeah...and I would argue this offense is better with 2 under center. Hoyer has yet to hit a guy in stride on a deep ball because he lacks arm strength and aside from a few timing routes to the outside, Hoyer hasn't done anything that any NFL QB couldn't do. He's doing a great job being a game manager, but we won't hit any big pass plays with him this year.

  That one to I think it was Gilbert was a good pass. Watch the replay...the WR slowed down and then had to dive to catch it. If he just runs normally it was pretty much a perfect pass and a TD. I agree with last week's pass at the end. That was brutal and even a decent pass leads to a TD instead of a catch and then subsequent FG.
• Footwedge

  like_that;1656474 wrote:You can say that about almost every NFL team. The problem is the browns just never make the small handful of plays per game that translate to wins. This is why they can't get passed 5 win seasons. If the browns make one of the following plays, they win.-make one of the attempted FGs-Hawkins catches that last pass attempt-Haden covers smith-Gabriel plays the ball right on that long throw and scores the easy td-defense completes the numerous sacks they missedThere are more, but these are the types of small details the browns always seem to fuck up. The browns should have comfortably won by 10 yesterday. Instead they found ways to keep the ravens in it until the end. Classic browns loss.

  \Of those you listed, the Gabriel play was by far and away the worst. The guy was 20 yards clear and Hoyer threw a perfect ball. That makes it 28-17. Hard for Baltimore to to evertake that.
• Footwedge

  People on KNR complaining that the Browns didn't run the clock out with 5 minutes to go. LOL. Idiots.
• jmog

  Footwedge;1656489 wrote:\Of those you listed, the Gabriel play was by far and away the worst. The guy was 20 yards clear and Hoyer threw a perfect ball. That makes it 28-17. Hard for Baltimore to to evertake that.

  Did Failwedge just compliment HOYER? HOLY CRAP the internet is going to explode.
  
  Somehow Manziel would have thrown it better though right? Like he would have telepathically known that Gabriel was going to miss play the ball and thrown it short right where he was going to be?
  
  I mean, since according to you, we'd be 3-0 with zero close games if Manziel was in.
  
  Hoyer is top 10 right now in the NFL in QBR, he has zero turnovers through 3 games.
  
  Manziel, a rookie who probably will be better than Hoyer in the future, would be 0-3 and be lucky to have less than 10 turnovers in 3 weeks against those 3 defenses.
  
  Sorry, but that is just reality.
• thavoice

  Footwedge;1656490 wrote:People on KNR complaining that the Browns didn't run the clock out with 5 minutes to go. LOL. Idiots.

  Well they did have the ball twice under 5 minutes to go and didnt run much clock. The announcer was all over that pass play but I didnt think it was that bad. If they run the ball the ravens probably let it go to the 2 min warning knowing that the clock stops after the punt and get the ball with about 1:50 or more. That pass showed some balls and that they were TRYING to do something to get the first down
• BR1986FB

  bases_loaded;1656484 wrote:Well yeah...and I would argue this offense is better with 2 under center. Hoyer has yet to hit a guy in stride on a deep ball because he lacks arm strength and aside from a few timing routes to the outside, Hoyer hasn't done anything that any NFL QB couldn't do. He's doing a great job being a game manager, but we won't hit any big pass plays with him this year.

  And your argument would likely be wrong. From what we've seen of Manziel, I'd expect to see the same underthrown, quacking ducks that we've seen from Hoyer since that's what JFF has shown when throwing the long ball. Outside of ONE pass to Barnidge in the preseason. Most of us know Hoyer's not a long-term fix but right now, he's the best option.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  Fucking browns fans. We have a QB who is actually worth a damn and the only thing we complain about is his fucking arm strength. Shut the fuck up and take a breath. We've got a nice stretch of games where we could above .500 and make the last 6 games with gordon coming back mean something.
• BR1986FB

  DeyDurkie5;1656504 wrote:Fucking browns fans. We have a QB who is actually worth a damn and the only thing we complain about is his fucking arm strength. Shut the fuck up and take a breath. We've got a nice stretch of games where we could above .500 and make the last 6 games with gordon coming back mean something.

  The guy missed on SIX passes, which is near perfect, but the assholes are going to nitpick over the six that WERE incomplete. SMDH
• Laley23

  

  BR1986FB;1656505 wrote:The guy missed on SIX passes, which is near perfect, but the assholes are going to nitpick over the six that WERE incomplete. SMDH

  And one was a shovel pass to Cameron.
• jmog

  BR1986FB;1656505 wrote:The guy missed on SIX passes, which is near perfect, but the assholes are going to nitpick over the six that WERE incomplete. SMDH

  The most important part of those 6 missed passes is that NONE OF THEM went to the other team.
  
  Matter of fact, Hoyer has zero turnovers through 3 games, 0 INTs, 0 Fumbles.
  
  When's the last time we could say that about a Cleveland Browns QB?
• BR1986FB

  Laley23;1656510 wrote:And one was a shovel pass to Cameron.

  I know, right? I'll be the first to say that I don't think Hoyer is a franchise QB but, until the Browns get one, he's doing a pretty damn good job. Could his arm be stronger? Yes. Could he be a little more accurate? Yes. Seems like the team believes in him.
  
  As Durkie said, this is typical for Browns fans. We have a decent enough QB who is doing a pretty good job but the fan base always has to have something to bitch about at QB.
• Tiernan

  The Haters(...me) love the public outcry for Hoyers scalp. The sooner Manzier gets in there the sooner the ship goes to the bottom of Lake Erie. My fear is Pettine & Jimmy Boy will be smart and stick with Hoyer. LOL...when was the last time a Clowns front office was smart? Manzier will be in after the next loss and then it's bye bye brownies.
• IggyPride00

  

  DeyDurkie5;1656504 wrote:Fucking browns fans. We have a QB who is actually worth a damn and the only thing we complain about is his fucking arm strength. Shut the fuck up and take a breath. We've got a nice stretch of games where we could above .500 and make the last 6 games with gordon coming back mean something.

  Did the Derek Anderson experience teach you nothing?
• GoChiefs

  

  IggyPride00;1656525 wrote:Did the Derek Anderson experience teach you nothing?

  Yea, it taught us what the hell a 10-6 record feels like.
• jmog

  IggyPride00;1656525 wrote:Did the Derek Anderson experience teach you nothing?

  If you believe we'd be anything but 0-3 with Manziel at QB with 3 bad losses (none close) then you are the obvious troll everyone believes you to be...or retarded...or both.
• IggyPride00

  

  GoChiefs;1656528 wrote:Yea, it taught us what the hell a 10-6 record feels like.

  It also taught us not to get caught up in the moment with a pedestrian QB that wasn't capable of leading us anywhere long term.
  
  The Anderson experiment set the franchise back years and divided the fan base, just as the Hoyer experiment is about to do.
  
  Mark my words, this is 2007 all over again and the long term effects are going to be catastrophic and will tear the fan base apart next year if the fan base's lord and savior Brian Hoyer is not brought back.
  
  I saw the perfect comparison made for Hoyer.
  
  Poor mans Matt Schaub.
  
  Good enough to win some games but not taking the franchise anywhere except disappointment over the long term.
• IggyPride00

  

  jmog;1656529 wrote:If you believe we'd be anything but 0-3 with Manziel at QB with 3 bad losses (none close) then you are the obvious troll everyone believes you to be...or retarded...or both.

  I wouldn't care if we were 0-3 with Johnny. At least we'd be building toward something and getting his lumps out of the way now. He would have a learning curve this year or next, so better to get it out of the way now so we can build to the future.
  
  All we are doing with Hoyer is wasting time.
  
  We aren't going to the playoffs, and now our rookie QB is getting no experience so he can make all the mistakes next year he would have made this year.
  
  Maybe some of you are fine with putting off contention into oblivion, but I am tired of wasting seasons. That is all that is being accomplished this year.
• BR1986FB

  IggyPride00;1656530 wrote:It also taught us not to get caught up in the moment with a pedestrian QB that wasn't capable of leading us anywhere long term.
  
  The Anderson experiment set the franchise back years and divided the fan base, just as the Hoyer experiment is about to do.
  
  Mark my words, this is 2007 all over again and the long term effects are going to be catastrophic and will tear the fan base apart next year if the fan base's lord and savior Brian Hoyer is not brought back.
  
  I saw the perfect comparison made for Hoyer.
  
  Poor mans Matt Schaub.
  
  Good enough to win some games but not taking the franchise anywhere except disappointment over the long term.

  Yeah, a pedestrian QB that gave this fucking franchise some HOPE, for once. Yes, Anderson was fool's gold but what was the other option? Lady Quinn? It was nice to enjoy a WINNING season, for once, considering had they kept Frye in there, that team likely goes 0-16.
• Pick6

  

  Don't be so used to shit that you'll settle for anything that isn't shit. I am enjoying watching a competent QB behind center as much as anyone. Hoyer shouldn't be free from ciriticism. If he made a few more plays the Browns win. Just like if Gabriel made one more play, Haden made one more play, the long snapper made one more play, etc.
• jmog

  IggyPride00;1656531 wrote:I wouldn't care if we were 0-3 with Johnny. At least we'd be building toward something and getting his lumps out of the way now. He would have a learning curve this year or next, so better to get it out of the way now so we can build to the future.
  
  All we are doing with Hoyer is wasting time.
  
  We aren't going to the playoffs, and now our rookie QB is getting no experience so he can make all the mistakes next year he would have made this year.
  
  Maybe some of you are fine with putting off contention into oblivion, but I am tired of wasting seasons. That is all that is being accomplished this year.

  Actually, as has been proven many times over, allowing a young QB to sit and learn makes the "lumps" far fewer in between than if you throw them out there as a rookie.
  
  But why let facts get in the way of your incoherent rant?
• jmog

  Pick6;1656540 wrote:Don't be so used to shit that you'll settle for anything that isn't shit. I am enjoying watching a competent QB behind center as much as anyone. Hoyer shouldn't be free from ciriticism. If he made a few more plays the Browns win. Just like if Gabriel made one more play, Haden made one more play, the long snapper made one more play, etc.

  In week 1 yes, maybe even week 2 I can buy your argument.
  
  However, how many more 'plays' does Hoyer need to make on Sunday to make you happy? He went 19-25, 290 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 127.1 QBR.
  
  He led the team on 3 separate 80 yard touchdown drives.
  
  He can/should be criticized for some of his play in weeks 1 and 2 but he really played very well on Sunday.
• BR1986FB

  jmog;1656547 wrote:
  He led the team on 3 separate 80 yard touchdown drives.
  
  He can/should be criticized for some of his play in weeks 1 and 2 but he really played very well on Sunday.

  You failed to mention those three TD drives were all red zone TD's against the #1 red zone defense in the league....the first 3 red zone TD's they've given up this year.
• Rotinaj

  

  Hoyer was awesome for 3 quarters. The entire offense was shit in the 4th. i don't care who people blame, they all deserve it.
• trep14

  like_that;1656328 wrote:True, but the players still had a chance to make the plays Week 1 you had dumbass west fucking up the handoff when the browns were in the redzone. This week, Hoyer could have thrown a better ball to hawkins to get that first down. Hawkins could have also caught that ball to end the game.
  
  Regardless, it's just old to see them find ways to not make these plays and lose. The Browns have probably lost about 90% of their games the last 3 years, because they do not make those plays. No amount of talent will fix that.

  Agreed 100%. You are right, its a total systemic failure. You could feel Sunday's loss coming from a mile away even when they had the ball with the lead and 2:30 left. I'm convinced more than ever that if last year's Seahawks played in Browns uniforms and Pete Carroll still coached the team, they would go 5-11.
• GOONx19

  

  Kyle Fuller looks so much better than Gilbert tonight.