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2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

  • lhslep134
    TigerNation10;1063406 wrote:Refusing to sit 2-3 years, barring Manning's healthy.
    That's a great point. If Manning gets that payment, Luck wouldn't be unreasonable for not wanting to play there.
  • like_that
    lhslep134;1063436 wrote:Or he could mean that Mangini's presence might have altered what happened? I don't know.
    Do you recall Mangini's draft his first year? If anything he would have altered it for the worse.
  • BR1986FB
    like_that;1063428 wrote:You mean the same Savage who threw away our 2008 draft for Shaun Rogers, Stallworthless, and Brady Quinn?
    I don't think that happens if Mangini is working with Savage collaborating on guys that fit Mangini's system. Savage traded for Shaun Rogers & Corey Williams who were square pegs (4-3 guys) that Savage, who panicked, tried to fit into round holes (3-4 defense).
  • lhslep134
    like_that;1063442 wrote:Do you recall Mangini's draft his first year? If anything he would have altered it for the worse.
    Yeah it was pathetic. But that's been par for the course up until the last couple.
  • BR1986FB
    Insane in the membrane...LOL

    http://www.rrstar.com/sports/x3506364/Should-the-Green-Bay-Packers-try-to-trade-Aaron-Rodgers
  • DeyDurkie5

    LOL
  • BR1986FB
    Hearing some "rumblings" on the possibility of a Hasselbeck/Holmgren (via trade) reunion in Cleveland with the Browns then selecting a developmental guy like Foles or Osweiler to groom. Thoughts?
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    BR1986FB;1063809 wrote:Hearing some "rumblings" on the possibility of a Hasselbeck/Holmgren (via trade) reunion in Cleveland with the Browns then selecting a developmental guy like Foles or Osweiler to groom. Thoughts?
    eh...I feel like that would be a patchwork solution much like the Delhomme signing. That would mean one of the QB's would probably have to go. Do you get rid of Colt or Senaca in that situation?
  • BR1986FB
    Y-Town Steelhound;1063814 wrote:eh...I feel like that would be a patchwork solution much like the Delhomme signing. That would mean one of the QB's would probably have to go. Do you get rid of Colt or Senaca in that situation?
    BOTH...good riddance!
  • Commander of Awesome
    BR1986FB;1063809 wrote:Hearing some "rumblings" on the possibility of a Hasselbeck/Holmgren (via trade) reunion in Cleveland with the Browns then selecting a developmental guy like Foles or Osweiler to groom. Thoughts?
    Would hate it. Hasslebeck is done. Move on and lets develop a guy of our own.
  • Wooball
    BR1986FB;1063809 wrote:Hearing some "rumblings" on the possibility of a Hasselbeck/Holmgren (via trade) reunion in Cleveland with the Browns then selecting a developmental guy like Foles or Osweiler to groom. Thoughts?
    Hasselbeck hasn't played all 16 games since 2007. 08,09 and 10 he was awful in Seattle, but he was also banged up and the team was pretty poor as well. He was having a nice '11 until he and Britt went down to injury and the Titans look like they may want to go forward w/ Locker. Not sure I'd be overly excited to bring him in. Only thing you could count on is that you better have your back up ready, because he hasn't been able to stay healthy for a while. When healthy, he probably gives us better QB play than we've had, but I'd be worried if we don't add some weapons on the outside he might look more like he did those last 3 years in Seattle than he did last year w/ the Titans.
  • like_that
    BR1986FB;1063809 wrote:Hearing some "rumblings" on the possibility of a Hasselbeck/Holmgren (via trade) reunion in Cleveland with the Browns then selecting a developmental guy like Foles or Osweiler to groom. Thoughts?
    Wes wouldn't be able to keep his pants clean, but NO THANKS to this possibility. Foles or Osweier? LMAO gtfo. Where did you hear this?
  • se-alum
    lhslep134;1063438 wrote:That's a great point. If Manning gets that payment, Luck wouldn't be unreasonable for not wanting to play there.
    As soon as Irsay said they were rebuilding, the chances of Manning getting that payment went out the window. It would just cost the Colts way too much in cap hits over the next 2 years. It's the Tressel & Luck era in Indianapolis.
  • BR1986FB
    se-alum;1063839 wrote:As soon as Irsay said they were rebuilding, the chances of Manning getting that payment went out the window. It would just cost the Colts way too much in cap hits over the next 2 years. It's the Tressel & Luck era in Indianapolis.
    Not so fast...the Colts are interviewing Rats D-Coordinator Chuck Pagano.
  • se-alum
    BR1986FB;1063848 wrote:Not so fast...the Colts are interviewing Rats D-Coordinator Chuck Pagano.
    I think the Colts go with Tress because they'll love to have Siciliano to groom Luck!




    :D
  • BR1986FB
    Interesting stats I'm cutting & pasting from the OBR. Was not aware of this. Luck also played behind a superior O-Line.

    PASSING YDS:

    RG3: 4293
    Luck: 3517
    -------------------------------------------------- -----
    PASSING TDs:

    RG3: 37
    Luck: 37
    -------------------------------------------------- -----

    INTERCEPTIONS

    RG3: 6
    Luck: 7
    -------------------------------------------------- ----
    COMPLETION PERCENTAGE:

    RG3: 72.4%
    Luck: 71.3%
    -------------------------------------------------- --

    YARDS PER PASS ATTEMPT:

    RG3: 10.7 YDS (1st in NCAA)
    Luck: 8.7 YDS


    -------------------------------------------------- --
    QB RATING

    RG3: 189.5 (2nd in NCAA)
    Luck: 169.7
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    The point is that a guy like Foles isn't gonna change the course of the franchise like a guy like RG3 will.
  • Commander of Awesome
    like_that;1063830 wrote:Wes wouldn't be able to keep his pants clean, but NO THANKS to this possibility. Foles or Osweier? LMAO gtfo. Where did you hear this?
    Foles is actually well thought of as a developmental type QB. I would think he's def on the Browns radar in the second round.
  • BTrev
    I'm late to the party...

    I don't feel like reading all 52 pages of comments, so I may ask some questions that have already been answered. Please bear with me. I catch on quick.

    What does everyone think of just trying to keep building around the quarterback position? Not necessarily building around McCoy... but he does still have 2 years left, and I think he can be a serviceable NFL QB.

    I may just be a McCoy Apologist... but is it really fair to make an evaluation of him, until they have a line that can protect him and receivers that can catch?

    I really don't like how QBs get thrown in the fire right away, and they're expected to make an immediate impact. And if they don't, they're labeled as damaged goods. How many starts did Brady Quinn get... like half a dozen?

    Didn't Troy Aikman start out 1-15? Colt only has 21 starts... it just seems like rookie/younger QBs barely even get a full NFL season to prove themselves anymore.

    If they keep adding pieces around the QB position, McCoy will at least have gotten a fair shot... and if he doesn't pan out, then his successor will be inheriting a better team.

    Isn't it insane to think that they can bring in another QB, and expect him to win right away with the same cast?

    I recognize the upside with RG3. He's very intelligent. He's a world class athlete. He'd probably sell a ton of jerseys.

    But can he make Cleveland a winner again?

    I don't know if he's ever really read a defense. The injury concerns are legit. Is it worth givving up the #22 pick, to move up to #3 or #2, to get him?

    Why take an unconventional quarterback in the top 5, when you have no #1 receiver, no depth on the line (Thomas and Mack are legit, the rest of the OL is a mess), and big questions/concerns about the starting RB (not much ddddddddddddddddddddepth at RB either).

    I guess what I'm saying is, and it may be a radical concept... but drafting a QB and then building around him hasn't been working for the Browns... probably because they never follow through, and they're always in the inbetween rebuilding phase. But maybe they should try building the team first, and then finding a franchise QB that fits their system.

    I really like Justin Blackmon. I can see the similarities between him and Michael Crabtree. That might cause people to be a little leary. Blackmon catches everything though, and he's great after the catch. He may not be as polished as A.J. Green, but he'd still be an upgrade and an added dimension to Cleveland's offense... if they can get him.

    What do you guys think? Blackmon? RG3? Richardson?
  • Commander of Awesome
    Board is split on McCoy. No matter what we need that position to play better.

    Most ppl on here go 6 to midnight over RG3. I'm unsure, waiting for combine numbers.

    I'm not a fan or either Richmond or Blackmon at #4, terrible valule there. I think Blackmon is the 3rd or 4th best WR in this draft and a total reach at #4.Most on the board act like Blackmon is next Larry Fitzgerald which he isn't. He's the next Crabtree or Boldin.
  • Heretic
    like_that;1063830 wrote:Wes wouldn't be able to keep his pants clean
    First thing I thought. Maybe BR was just throwing this nugget in there for that reason.
  • BR1986FB
    Heretic;1064090 wrote:First thing I thought. Maybe BR was just throwing this nugget in there for that reason.
    No...he already fapped all over his Facebook wall when I posted it there. He hasn't even commented about it over here...probably still smoking a cigarette after his dirty work.
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    I understand the point about building the rest of the team before the quarterback and typically I would agree with that. However in this case you have a chance to draft a once in a generation franchise quarterback, and that's something that's hard to pass up. As I've said before, I see RG3 having the potential to develop into a faster Aaron Rodgers. You rarely see guys come out with all of the tools and make no mistake about it, this kid has them. The problem with building the rest of the team first in this situation is getting to that 7-9, 8-8 range where it would be tough to find a good QB. Rarely do you see quality QB's taken in the middle of the 1st round (Steelers and Packers getting lucky with Ben and Rodgers). So the point is that you can't just hope to build the rest of the team and expect to get Barkley next season because you likely won't be picking high enough to get him anyways.

    If the Browns pass on RG3 they will be criticized and rightfully so, and we as fans will have to watch yet another draft pick the Browns passed on go on to have great success. And trust me when I tell you, this one would be the biggest miss of all.
  • BR1986FB
    It's been said before, they may not HAVE a chance to be this high in the draft again. If Barkley goes #1 next year and the Browns are selecting 10th with only one 1st rounder, are they to sell the farm then? The QB may fall to them at #4 without even trading up. Pieces CAN be put in place around that QB while still selecting him at #4.
  • se-alum
    Y-Town Steelhound;1064150 wrote:I understand the point about building the rest of the team before the quarterback and typically I would agree with that. However in this case you have a chance to draft a once in a generation franchise quarterback, and that's something that's hard to pass up. As I've said before, I see RG3 having the potential to develop into a faster Aaron Rodgers. You rarely see guys come out with all of the tools and make no mistake about it, this kid has them. The problem with building the rest of the team first in this situation is getting to that 7-9, 8-8 range where it would be tough to find a good QB. Rarely do you see quality QB's taken in the middle of the 1st round (Steelers and Packers getting lucky with Ben and Rodgers). So the point is that you can't just hope to build the rest of the team and expect to get Barkley next season because you likely won't be picking high enough to get him anyways.

    If the Browns pass on RG3 they will be criticized and rightfully so, and we as fans will have to watch yet another draft pick the Browns passed on go on to have great success. And trust me when I tell you, this one would be the biggest miss of all.
    There were only 11 starting QB's this year that were drafted in the top 10 of their draft.