2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1048314 wrote:Of those two I see more upside in Flynn.

  Interesting, I rather take Kolb. Would you still be happy with Kolb?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  I'd rather take Kolb too if he doesn't have the injury concerns.
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1048317 wrote:Interesting, I rather take Kolb. Would you still be happy with Kolb?

  Not if he's one concussion away from his career being over. That would be my biggest concern. Otherwise I'd think he would fit the scheme.
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1048324 wrote:Not if he's one concussion away from his career being over. That would be my biggest concern. Otherwise I'd think he would fit the scheme.

  Meh, I think that's bullshit. WTF do Cardinals fans know? They didn't even have a fan club until they went to the SB loo.
  
  I doubt Heckert/Holmgren pursue Kolb if that is true anyway.
• like_that

  

  Kiper regraded this past draft. Here is his take on the Browns:
  
  [HR][/HR]
  
  (1)
  21
  Phil Taylor
  
  (2)
  37
  Jabaal Sheard
  
  (2)
  59
  Greg Little
  
  (4)
  102
  Jordan Cameron
  
  (4)
  124
  Owen Marecic
  
  (5)
  137
  Buster Skrine
  
  (5)
  150
  Jason Pinkston
  
  (7)
  248
  Eric Hagg
  
  
  [h=3]Cleveland Browns[/h]
  
  [h=3]Post-draft grade: B+[/h]Summary: Forgive the superlatives, but this draft could be a quiet monster in terms of getting value up and down the board. It's a fair critique to wonder about the value of a rookie class on a top team versus the time rookies can see for a noncontender such as Cleveland. And the Browns still need to get something done on offense if they want to compete, particularly at quarterback. But you at least can say the strength of this team is on defense, and the first two picks were a big part of that. No. 21 overall pick Phil Taylor started all 16 games and proved to be a great fit in this scheme. Jabaal Sheard looks like a future star and piled up 8.5 sacks along with forcing five fumbles. Greg Little needs to become more consistent, but, after missing a year of football, he showed hints of future stardom -- he had seven more catches than Julio Jones. Buster Skrine looks really good in what was already a good secondary, and Jason Pinkston gave the Browns 16 starts after being taken at No. 150. Owen Marecic and Jordan Cameron have potential. The offense couldn't do enough to make this team competitive, but it can't really take the shine off this class for me. Put it this way: If the Browns make the playoffs next season, it won't be because they had to replace any of these picks.
  [h=3]New grade: A-[/h]
• Mulva

  

  Tale of 2 drafts for me. I'd give the first 3 picks an A, and the last 5 a C-.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  Mulva;1048371 wrote:Tale of 2 drafts for me. I'd give the first 3 picks an A, and the last 5 a C-.

  smh
• Mulva

  

  DeyDurkie5;1048375 wrote:smh

  syh
• BR1986FB

  Marecic was probably the "turd" of that group. I think Pinky may slide over to RT if Steinbach returns. I that case it's vital that they bring in a Grubbs or Nicks in FA. No way I want Lauvao AND Pinkston manning that right side.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  Mulva;1048371 wrote:Tale of 2 drafts for me. I'd give the first 3 picks an A, and the last 5 a C-.

  Can't say I agree. Typically in rounds 4-7 you're looking for backups, nice if you get starters, and wonderful if you happen to strike gold. Cameron showed some ability to catch the ball when he got the opportunity to play, problem was he hasn't been playing football long and had two pretty good tight ends (Watson, Moore) and a decent tight end who blocks well (Smith) in front of him. Marecic should improve in year two and seems to fit the system. Skrine looked pretty good and could develop into a good starter. Pinkston played well considering they switched him to a position he has NEVER played before. His natural position is at tackle. Hagg just kind of filled in for injuries at the end of the season, but he's a 7th rounder so what do you expect?
• BR1986FB

  I think Cameron has A LOT of upside. Helluva lot more than Evan Moore. Neither can block though. The little I saw of Cameron impressed me.
• royal_k

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;1048398 wrote:Can't say I agree. Typically in rounds 4-7 you're looking for backups, nice if you get starters, and wonderful if you happen to strike gold. Cameron showed some ability to catch the ball when he got the opportunity to play, problem was he hasn't been playing football long and had two pretty good tight ends (Watson, Moore) and a decent tight end who blocks well (Smith) in front of him. Marecic should improve in year two and seems to fit the system. Skrine looked pretty good and could develop into a good starter. Pinkston played well considering they switched him to a position he has NEVER played before. His natural position is at tackle. Hagg just kind of filled in for injuries at the end of the season, but he's a 7th rounder so what do you expect?

  I'd have to agree with this. If Cameron and Skrine become starters ( highly possible) this draft becomes one of the best I can ever remember.
• like_that

  

  royal_k;1048408 wrote:I'd have to agree with this. If Cameron and Skrine become starters ( highly possible) this draft becomes one of the best I can ever remember.

  I agree, although there aren't many drafts to compete with to earn the "best draft in awhile" honor.
• Pick6

  

  BR1986FB;1048405 wrote:I think Cameron has A LOT of upside. Helluva lot more than Evan Moore. Neither can block though. The little I saw of Cameron impressed me.

  I think Cameron has a lot of upside as well..but how can you not say Evan Moore doesnt?
• BR1986FB

  Pick6;1048416 wrote:I think Cameron has a lot of upside as well..but how can you not say Evan Moore doesnt?

  Dude is a bigger vagina than Hardesty & Hillis. Seems like he's ALWAYS hurt.
• royal_k

  

  like_that;1048410 wrote:I agree, although there aren't many drafts to compete with to earn the "best draft in awhile" honor.

  lol...reps
• Mulva

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;1048398 wrote:Can't say I agree. Typically in rounds 4-7 you're looking for backups, nice if you get starters, and wonderful if you happen to strike gold. Cameron showed some ability to catch the ball when he got the opportunity to play, problem was he hasn't been playing football long and had two pretty good tight ends (Watson, Moore) and a decent tight end who blocks well (Smith) in front of him. Marecic should improve in year two and seems to fit the system. Skrine looked pretty good and could develop into a good starter. Pinkston played well considering they switched him to a position he has NEVER played before. His natural position is at tackle. Hagg just kind of filled in for injuries at the end of the season, but he's a 7th rounder so what do you expect?

  TE and FB weren't positions of need. TE was probably where we were the most set heading into the draft last year. I think the Cameron and Marecic selections could have been better used elsewhere. I don't care what they might do next year, or what potential they might have going forward. Judging the draft right now, they haven't done anything on the field.
  
  I think Pinkston was pretty bad this year. I don't see any way he gets moved to RT. That would be a disaster. I'm not overly impressed by the fact that he might be a serviceable guard once he better learns the position. There are a ton of starting guards in this league that were late round picks. It's not the toughest spot to fill. And for this year, he was not good.
  
  I agree about Hagg. For a 7th round pick I don't expect anything out of him. Anything you get is a bonus.
  
  Skrine showed some flashes. He might be able to pass as a starting CB at some point, at minimum he looks like a guy that could play the nickel. He was a solid pick.
  
  Overall, I don't see how you could be very impressed by that collection of players. C- is slightly below average. It's not like I gave it an F. They went and took projects at positions we were actually strong in and, potential or not, neither Cameron or Marecic really did anything on the field to help the team this year. I don't find that to be solid drafting for a team with as many holes as the Browns had and still have. If they emerge as good players next season then guess what? You could re-grade again.
  
  Colin Kaepernick has a lot of potential. Should the Niners get an A for that pick because he might develop into a good QB some day? That doesn't make sense. If you're re-grading a draft, it has to be based on what the players actually did. The initial pre-draft grade is the one that is based on what you believe they could do.
• Pick6

  

  Mulva;1048439 wrote:TE and FB weren't positions of need. TE was probably where we were the most set heading into the draft last year. I think the Cameron and Marecic selections could have been better used elsewhere. I don't care what they might do next year, or what potential they might have going forward. Judging the draft right now, they haven't done anything on the field.
  .

  They let Vickers go, so FB was a position of need.
• royal_k

  

  Mulva;1048439 wrote:TE and FB weren't positions of need. TE was probably where we were the most set heading into the draft last year. I think the Cameron and Marecic selections could have been better used elsewhere. I don't care what they might do next year, or what potential they might have going forward. Judging the draft right now, they haven't done anything on the field.
  
  I think Pinkston was pretty bad this year. I don't see any way he gets moved to RT. That would be a disaster. I'm not overly impressed by the fact that he might be a serviceable guard once he better learns the position. There are a ton of starting guards in this league that were late round picks. It's not the toughest spot to fill. And for this year, he was not good.
  
  I agree about Hagg. For a 7th round pick I don't expect anything out of him. Anything you get is a bonus.
  
  Skrine showed some flashes. He might be able to pass as a starting CB at some point, at minimum he looks like a guy that could play the nickel. He was a solid pick.
  
  Overall, I don't see how you could be very impressed by that collection of players. C- is slightly below average. It's not like I gave it an F. They went and took projects at positions we were actually strong in and, potential or not, neither Cameron or Marecic really did anything on the field to help the team this year. I don't find that to be solid drafting for a team with as many holes as the Browns had and still have. If they emerge as good players next season then guess what? You could re-grade again.
  
  Colin Kaepernick has a lot of potential. Should the Niners get an A for that pick because he might develop into a good QB some day? That doesn't make sense. If you're re-grading a draft, it has to be based on what the players actually did. The initial pre-draft grade is the one that is based on what you believe they could do.

  This is fair for now. But, if the 2 guys I was talking about do become starters, and good ones at that, than this draft would have to be considered a great one. And typically you don't find out how well you did intil the second or third year after.
• Mulva

  

  royal_k;1048457 wrote:This is fair for now. But, if the 2 guys I was talking about do become starters, and good ones at that, than this draft would have to be considered a great one. And typically you don't find out how well you did intil the second or third year after.

  I agree with that. I just gave my re-grade because the Kiper thing was posted. I wouldn't have brought it up.
  

  Pick6;1048445 wrote:They let Vickers go, so FB was a position of need.

  It was a position of need because they created it. It wasn't a position of need because the person we had there sucked. Sorry, not giving them credit for creating need at a position and re-filling it (with a guy who sucked this year anyway) rather than filling one of the 15 positions we already needed to upgrade.
• OneBuckeye

  

  Walterfootball has a new mock out.
  
  Has RGIII going number 2.
  
  Has the Browns Taking Blackmon, Tannenhill and Chase Minnifiled with the first three.
  
  I totally believe the first two picks. If we go WR, QB. I think we go OT or DE in the 2nd.
  
  I think we have to draft a QB, DE, WR, OT or RB with our first three picks. Anyone else think we will take a different position with the first 3 picks?
• royal_k

  

  OneBuckeye;1048512 wrote:Walterfootball has a new mock out.
  
  Has RGIII going number 2.
  
  Has the Browns Taking Blackmon, Tannenhill and Chase Minnifiled with the first three.
  
  I totally believe the first two picks. If we go WR, QB. I think we go OT or DE in the 2nd.
  
  I think we have to draft a QB, DE, WR, OT or RB with our first three picks. Anyone else think we will take a different position with the first 3 picks?

  I wouldn't be disappointed with those 3 picks. But, I think we address the QB position in FA. If that happens, and Blakmon is there at 4, you have to take him.
• Crimson streak

  

  I'm actually liking the idea of going and getting Flynn in fa and a rt/ rg. The drafting Blackmon and the lb from bc with our 1's and maybe a de with our 2 nd
• SportsAndLady

  

  Yes please on Blackmon.
  
  Don't like Mocks that predict trades though..so stupid
• wes_mantooth

  

  KNR is saying that SI has an article out saying that the Browns may trade their 4 and 22 to move up to St Louis' pick. i would be pissed if that happens...way too much to give up to move up two spots.