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  • raiderbuck
    Automatik;1799768 wrote:What's your suggestion?
    I think his suggestion is clear: declare war against all Muslims (even the allies) and block all Muslims from entering the US. If you're a Muslim and you're already here...get out!

    /Murica
  • ptown_trojans_1
    Here is the thing, you can yell and scream about bombing the shit out of ISIS and doing more about borders, but it kind of misses the real area we need to focus, the tech area.
    As long as ISIL/ ISIS has the means to post things online and to carry a folllowing through the internet, it is a whack a mole and nearly impossible to stop.
    You want to defeat ISIS, tackle them on the battlefield, but more importantly, tackle them online.

    That is the area where we are failing.
    It is complex issue as it means potential free speech issues via youtube or facebook, or figuring how new software to flag that content.
    If you look at lone wolfs over the last few years, most of them have been inspired by information from online videos. That is more the threat that actual ISIS locations.
    Of course, destroying ISIS where they are is important, but also stopping the sites and videos that led this idiot to do things like this tragic event is crucial.
  • sleeper
    ptown_trojans_1;1799771 wrote:Here is the thing, you can yell and scream about bombing the shit out of ISIS and doing more about borders, but it kind of misses the real area we need to focus, the tech area.
    As long as ISIL/ ISIS has the means to post things online and to carry a folllowing through the internet, it is a whack a mole and nearly impossible to stop.
    You want to defeat ISIS, tackle them on the battlefield, but more importantly, tackle them online.

    That is the area where we are failing.
    It is complex issue as it means potential free speech issues via youtube or facebook, or figuring how new software to flag that content.
    If you look at lone wolfs over the last few years, most of them have been inspired by information from online videos. That is more the threat that actual ISIS locations.
    Of course, destroying ISIS where they are is important, but also stopping the sites and videos that led this idiot to do things like this tragic event is crucial.
    Yes censorship, invasion of privacy, and restricting free speech is the way forward!

    Hilary 2016!
  • like_that
    sleeper;1799772 wrote:Yes censorship, invasion of privacy, and restricting free speech is the way forward!

    Hilary 2016!
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
  • Con_Alma
    raiderbuck;1799770 wrote:I think his suggestion is clear: declare war against all Muslims (even the allies) and block all Muslims from entering the US. If you're a Muslim and you're already here...get out!

    /Murica
    ...kind of like Jimmy Carter did.
  • sleeper
    like_that;1799776 wrote:"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    - Michael Scott
  • QuakerOats
    We have the feds who were unable to close multiple loops where there were glaring indications this radical was going to go off.

    We have the prez telling us one thing, and the CIA director, under oath, telling us something very different.

    We have terrorists entering the country because of the prez's effectively open borders policies.

    We have others becoming terrorists right in front of us, but because of political correctness we do little about it.


    The neck of the bottle is at the top: we have a prez that is unfit for the job; an empty suit Harvard lawyer that never accomplished a damn thing in the real world..............an appeaser and sympathizer on top of it all; and he is the commander-in-chief.

    We cannot win as long as he is in charge. And if you think Hillary Clinton would be any better, you are dead wrong.
  • Automatik
    QuakerOats;1799787 wrote:We have the feds who were unable to close multiple loops where there were glaring indications this radical was going to go off.

    We have the prez telling us one thing, and the CIA director, under oath, telling us something very different.

    We have terrorists entering the country because of the prez's effectively open borders policies.

    We have others becoming terrorists right in front of us, but because of political correctness we do little about it.


    The neck of the bottle is at the top: we have a prez that is unfit for the job; an empty suit Harvard lawyer that never accomplished a damn thing in the real world..............an appeaser and sympathizer on top of it all; and he is the commander-in-chief.

    We cannot win as long as he is in charge. And if you think Hillary Clinton would be any better, you are dead wrong.
    But Trump will fix it! LOL


    Face it, it's an uphill climb regardless who's in office.
  • FatHobbit
    Con_Alma;1799782 wrote:...kind of like Jimmy Carter did.
    Carter's actions were against citizens of a country, not members of a religion.
  • O-Trap
    QuakerOats;1799787 wrote:We have the feds who were unable to close multiple loops where there were glaring indications this radical was going to go off.

    We have the prez telling us one thing, and the CIA director, under oath, telling us something very different.

    We have terrorists entering the country because of the prez's effectively open borders policies.

    We have others becoming terrorists right in front of us, but because of political correctness we do little about it.


    The neck of the bottle is at the top: we have a prez that is unfit for the job; an empty suit Harvard lawyer that never accomplished a damn thing in the real world..............an appeaser and sympathizer on top of it all; and he is the commander-in-chief.

    We cannot win as long as he is in charge. And if you think Hillary Clinton would be any better, you are dead wrong.
    The FBI didn't close the loop on this individual because there was a lack of evidence available through legal means. He was investigated twice but not pursued as a result of evidence.

    What "policies" has the President effectively changed? Are you referring to the refugees being brought in? We've been bringing in refugees for a long time. And they've been coming from countries where Islam is the predominant religion for a long time.

    As for the terrorists forming "right in front of us," what would you have us do? I don't think political correctness is causing anything to be missed here.
  • queencitybuckeye
    This.

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  • raiderbuck
    Con_Alma;1799782 wrote:...kind of like Jimmy Carter did.
    That was Iran, not an entire religion.
  • QuakerOats
    O-Trap;1799793 wrote:The FBI didn't close the loop on this individual because there was a lack of evidence available through legal means. He was investigated twice but not pursued as a result of evidence.

    What "policies" has the President effectively changed? Are you referring to the refugees being brought in? We've been bringing in refugees for a long time. And they've been coming from countries where Islam is the predominant religion for a long time.

    As for the terrorists forming "right in front of us," what would you have us do? I don't think political correctness is causing anything to be missed here.

    The FBI closed the investigations, either for lack of evidence, or some other reason; we don't exactly know why. Of possible interest -----the CVE hamstrings the FBI; requiring the FBI to partner with muslim community leaders, i.e. muslim brotherhood. I suppose they will now become our eyes and ears and advise when a real threat exists. Mind boggling.

    Maybe the prez could change the policy regarding refugees. Or, just because we have always done it, we should just keep doing it. Duh. Anyone with one-half ounce of brain realizes we damn well better change the program and begin to completely scrutinize everyone coming in to this country. The CIA director implied the very same thing today; they understand these radicals are using refugee flows to their advantage. This is what makes it so incredibly hard to understand obama; it is as if he is helping their cause --- bizarre.

    A strong leader as prez, strong law enforcement, strong neighborhoods, strong families all go in to the equation of helping to limit home-grown radicalization. No one said it would be easy. But for God's sake quit handcuffing our law enforcement and military personnel; allow them to do their jobs effectively.

    We can only win it together; and that will not occur as long as the Divider-in-Chief is the prez. Sorry to say.
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    QuakerOats;1799803 wrote:The FBI closed the investigations, either for lack of evidence, or some other reason; we don't exactly know why. Of possible interest -----the CVE hamstrings the FBI; requiring the FBI to partner with muslim community leaders, i.e. muslim brotherhood. I suppose they will now become our eyes and ears and advise when a real threat exists. Mind boggling.

    Maybe the prez could change the policy regarding refugees. Or, just because we have always done it, we should just keep doing it. Duh. Anyone with one-half ounce of brain realizes we damn well better change the program and begin to completely scrutinize everyone coming in to this country. The CIA director implied the very same thing today; they understand these radicals are using refugee flows to their advantage. This is what makes it so incredibly hard to understand obama; it is as if he is helping their cause --- bizarre.

    A strong leader as prez, strong law enforcement, strong neighborhoods, strong families all go in to the equation of helping to limit home-grown radicalization. No one said it would be easy. But for God's sake quit handcuffing our law enforcement and military personnel; allow them to do their jobs effectively.

    We can only win it together; and that will not occur as long as the Divider-in-Chief is the prez. Sorry to say.
    I'd rather the president focus on inner city violence, ie Chicago and Baltimore, than this.
  • QuakerOats
    queencitybuckeye;1799797 wrote:This.

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    BINGO! max reps
  • QuakerOats
    Raw Dawgin' it;1799806 wrote:I'd rather the president focus on inner city violence, ie Chicago and Baltimore, than this.

    LOL --- he has been in office almost 8 years while the thugs in these cities brutalized their own; nearly all of his domestic policies are part and parcel of why it occurs, and continues to occur. Do you have any other knee slappers today?
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    QuakerOats;1799808 wrote:LOL --- he has been in office almost 8 years while the thugs in these cities brutalized their own; nearly all of his domestic policies are part and parcel of why it occurs, and continues to occur. Do you have any other knee slappers today?
    I'd rather punch myself in the nuts than get into an argument or debate with you, so no.
  • isadore
    Gosh a ruddies the Boston Bombers, San Bernardino killers and now Mateen, their Muslim family and friends keep quiet or act as accessories before and after the fact.
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    isadore;1799810 wrote:Gosh a ruddies the Boston Bombers, San Bernardino killers and now Mateen, their Muslim family and friends keep quiet or act as accessories before and after the fact.
    Can you sign back in as sleeper, please?
  • Con_Alma
    raiderbuck;1799801 wrote:That was Iran, not an entire religion.

    That's why it was only "kind of " like it. He banned a group of people.
  • Con_Alma
    FatHobbit;1799792 wrote:Carter's actions were against citizens of a country, not members of a religion.
    Exactly...a group of people.
  • O-Trap
    QuakerOats;1799803 wrote:The FBI closed the investigations, either for lack of evidence, or some other reason; we don't exactly know why. Of possible interest -----the CVE hamstrings the FBI; requiring the FBI to partner with muslim community leaders, i.e. muslim brotherhood. I suppose they will now become our eyes and ears and advise when a real threat exists. Mind boggling.
    First of all, how does the CVE hamstring the FBI?

    Second, why are you assuming that Muslim community leaders are inherently members of the Muslim Brotherhood?
    QuakerOats;1799803 wrote:Maybe the prez could change the policy regarding refugees. Or, just because we have always done it, we should just keep doing it. Duh. Anyone with one-half ounce of brain realizes we damn well better change the program and begin to completely scrutinize everyone coming in to this country. The CIA director implied the very same thing today; they understand these radicals are using refugee flows to their advantage. This is what makes it so incredibly hard to understand obama; it is as if he is helping their cause --- bizarre.
    A couple things ...

    If you're suggesting that we should change it, why now? Shouldn't Bush have done so after 9/11 by extension of this same application of reasoning?

    Moreover, just because it's what they're using doesn't mean what you're suggesting would help.

    Let's apply the same logic to gun laws. A number of gun crimes are committed with legally-owned firearms. Would you suggest that changing gun laws will prevent these sorts of gun crimes, or will the perpetrators just find another way to go about them?

    Why would we not apply the same logic to refugees? Just because terrorist groups are using them, it doesn't follow that they have to. And given that this most recent one was committed by a natural-born US citizen, I'd say the cat is out of the bag already even if such close screening of refugees would have otherwise made a difference.
    QuakerOats;1799803 wrote:A strong leader as prez, strong law enforcement, strong neighborhoods, strong families all go in to the equation of helping to limit home-grown radicalization. No one said it would be easy. But for God's sake quit handcuffing our law enforcement and military personnel; allow them to do their jobs effectively.
    Which things in place currently handcuff them?
    QuakerOats;1799803 wrote:We can only win it together; and that will not occur as long as the Divider-in-Chief is the prez. Sorry to say.
    I'm not saying it will. I just don't think we'll win it through legislative initiatives at all.
  • HitsRus
    QuakerOats;1799745 wrote:ISIS exterminates homosexuals, among others. Until we come to grips with who they are, by defining them, and develop a strategy and a plan to deal with them, how can we possibly win the war. Yet, in clockwork fashion, liberals and rags like the New York Times attempt to use this terrorist rampage to somehow blame republicans, the NRA, and gun owners in general, all for political gain. It is damn sickening to witness supposed leaders of this country parade around making complete fools of themselves and doing absolutely nothing worthwhile to defeat this radical hideous element that continues to gain ground on free people.

    WAKE THE HELL UP.
    For as much as most of you belittle QQ for his partisan rants, he is spot on with this. The first thing the leader of our country did in his remarks following the massacre was to tie in his and his "progressive" buddies narrative for gun control.... and in the days following, his minions have reenacted the hyperbole, even filibustering the Senate for controls and laws which would not have prevented the attack in Orlando, just as they would not have prevented Sandy Hook, or San Bernadino. People who are hell bent on perpetrating mayhem and killing people are going to do it, guns regulations or not. Boston, Paris, Brussels occurred where either no gun was used, or strict regulations already were in place.
    QQ used the words "doing nothing"....I call it shameless exploitation of a tragedy for political gain.

    With almost all of the mainstream media being in the tank for, and being nothing more than propaganda outlets for the liberal agenda, it has been an easy sell to the public. The New York Times, once a paper of some reputation, has lost all credibility in editorializing that the GOP and the NRA are responsible for the attack. The Prez and his minions have insinuated the same. They need to be challenged and repudiated and exposed for the fraud they are attempting to perpetrate. The attack did not occur because we failed to pass proposed gun measures, it occurred because of radical Islamic terrorists who are bent on attacking our lifestyle and our culture. It is on their heads that the responsibility lies....not the NRA....not the GOP.

    The administration promotes this deliberate false link to distract us from their responsibility for 6-8 years of ineffectually handling the growth of this terrorist organization. It promotes it because there are millions of people who will buy it from a media that won't pursue the correct questions.

    What should we do differently? I don't know, nor do I expect anyone on this board to know because that's not our job...that's not our expertise....that's what we expect our elected officials to do.
    But I will say this. The problem is not being handled correctly and is not only on our doorstep, but it's in the house.
    The first thing with solving a problem is to correctly identify it. This administration has failed to do that. Despite Paris, Brussels, Boston, San Bernadino, Orlando...the Prez won't call a spade a spade. He tried to blow it off a few days ago calling it semantics....I say it's more than that.
    ....More than that, the attack in Orlando was not the fault of the GOP and it's sure not the fault of guns.
  • queencitybuckeye
    Con_Alma;1799815 wrote:Exactly...a group of people.
    Some groups can be legally discriminated against and some cannot, even if not American citizens.
  • FatHobbit
    HitsRus;1799818 wrote:his minions have reenacted the hyperbole, even filibustering the Senate for controls and laws which would not have prevented the attack in Orlando, just as they would not have prevented Sandy Hook, or San Bernadino.
    This is my favorite argument that comes out after every tragedy. Call for Acton: We have to do X to stop this from happening again. Question: But that wouldn't have stopped the tragedy that just happened. Response: At least we WOULD BE DOING SOMETHING.