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Orlando Shooting

  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    like_that;1799129 wrote:Ok, I reread your post. That was a bit of a stretch on my part, but you did say hillbilly vs the cop. Not anyone with a CCW is some average schmo looking to carry a gun, because it looks cool. Most gun owners are pretty well trained. A high percentage of them are retired vets. I would venture to say they are trained better than cops. One CCW in the case of the Orlando shooting likely wouldn't have made a difference although it could. A few more CCWs could have made a difference. There are a lot of cases where a CCW saved a lot of lives. Again, I don't think guns at a bar is a good idea.
    i was addressing our resident racist jim teacher in his non air conditioned trailer. Hillbillys like him are the ones who perpetuate the lie that we're safer with having them around with a gun. There's literally nothing we can do about situations likes this. That includes carrying guns ourselves.
  • superman
    like_that;1799126 wrote:There has been a lot that has led to the decline. Data, gentrification, increase in police force in cities, etc. I was just pointing out that background checks have been doubled since 2000 and gun crime is lower than it has ever been. What more can you do in the background checks?
    One of the biggest factors is abortion becoming legal. When it became easier for hoodrats to terminate their hoodrat pregnancies, less future thugs were born.
  • queencitybuckeye
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1799131 wrote:i was addressing our resident racist jim teacher in his non air conditioned trailer. Hillbillys like him are the ones who perpetuate the lie that we're safer with having them around with a gun. There's literally nothing we can do about situations likes this. That includes carrying guns ourselves.
    You overrate firepower as opposed to element of surprise. A person inside with a concealed handgun may (emphasis may) have been able to do something about it. That person may have had to watch a number of people killed before being in a position to act, or that person may have had an opportunity to escape, which no one could (or at least should) blame him for.

    To say that to do anything is impossible is not provable absent everyone else in the club obeying the law. You do not know.
  • SportsAndLady
    CCW inside of bars seems like an absolute awful idea lol
  • like_that
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1799131 wrote:i was addressing our resident racist jim teacher in his non air conditioned trailer. Hillbillys like him are the ones who perpetuate the lie that we're safer with having them around with a gun. There's literally nothing we can do about situations likes this. That includes carrying guns ourselves.
    I disagree with you there, but lol'd at the bolded.
  • queencitybuckeye
    SportsAndLady;1799136 wrote:CCW inside of bars seems like an absolute awful idea lol
    I don't disagree, but the dangerous ones are probably more likely to be those carrying in the bar illegally.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    queencitybuckeye;1799133 wrote:You overrate firepower as opposed to element of surprise. A person inside with a concealed handgun may (emphasis may) have been able to do something about it. That person may have had to watch a number of people killed before being in a position to act, or that person may have had an opportunity to escape, which no one could (or at least should) blame him for.

    To say that to do anything is impossible is not provable absent everyone else in the club obeying the law. You do not know.
    dude there's no way. What are you carrying in most concealed guns? 5-6 rounds? Add the fact you're not taking accurate shots since your adrenaline is maxed out trying to keep you from dying. Those few rounds are gone waaaaay too quickly. And then what? I'm not against concealed carry. As long as you're not a dumb drunk and pull it during a fight. But there's no way in a high tense situation where your body is going full tilt, are you gonna get off shots that matter with a small carry gun. your best chances are running just like everyone else.
  • Automatik
    The plot thickens...

    http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316
  • SportsAndLady
    queencitybuckeye;1799139 wrote:I don't disagree, but the dangerous ones are probably more likely to be those carrying in the bar illegally.
    Well, yeah. But that doesn't really have anything to do with CCW inside bars is a bad, bad idea.
  • SportsAndLady
    He gay
  • queencitybuckeye
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1799140 wrote:dude there's no way. What are you carrying in most concealed guns? 5-6 rounds? Add the fact you're not taking accurate shots since your adrenaline is maxed out trying to keep you from dying. Those few rounds are gone waaaaay too quickly. And then what? I'm not against concealed carry. As long as you're not a dumb drunk and pull it during a fight. But there's no way in a high tense situation where your body is going full tilt, are you gonna get off shots that matter with a small carry gun. your best chances are running just like everyone else.
    I'll handle the last phrase of your last sentence first (best chance is to run away). You are 10000000000% correct. The only gunfight you ever want to be in is when escape is not an option. Now let's change the scenario. Your only escape route is blocked by the killer. At that point, perhaps the rest of your post comes to pass. But perhaps the training I do almost every week allows me to hit the target. Even if one estimates that at a 1% chance, 1% > 0%.
  • jmog
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1799140 wrote:dude there's no way. What are you carrying in most concealed guns? 5-6 rounds? Add the fact you're not taking accurate shots since your adrenaline is maxed out trying to keep you from dying. Those few rounds are gone waaaaay too quickly. And then what? I'm not against concealed carry. As long as you're not a dumb drunk and pull it during a fight. But there's no way in a high tense situation where your body is going full tilt, are you gonna get off shots that matter with a small carry gun. your best chances are running just like everyone else.

    Pretty sure you lost some credibility there. 5 or 6 rounds? What is this the old west with 6 shooters?

    Every modern hand gun holds around 12 rounds per magazine. 5 or 6? Come on Zwick have you honestly never even seen an action movie?
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    jmog;1799145 wrote:Pretty sure you lost some credibility there. 5 or 6 rounds? What is this the old west with 6 shooters?

    Every modern hand gun holds around 12 rounds per magazine. 5 or 6? Come on Zwick have you honestly never even seen an action movie?
    lol wtf do you know? I have a micro eagle that my brother in law sold me that he used to carry (he's a Cincinnati cop btw) that has a 6 round mag. I assure you it's not from the old west.
  • fish82
    salto;1799090 wrote:It does have some "assault" similarities, like folding stocks, quick load magazines and some even have flash guards. Most AR-15s are marketed for their military/police/Special OP resemblance.

    True, the AR 15's you can legally buy are semi automatic at the most and do not have any sort of automatic/3 round burst.

    Plus close-to 80% of all murders by gun are actually performed by pistols but when wanting to mass murder a group, the AR-15 is indeed the weapon of choice.
    Only 25% of all mass shootings are carried out with a semi-auto rifle. The. AR15 represents only a portion of that.

    48% of mass shootings are carried out via handgun.
  • fish82
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1799147 wrote:lol wtf do you know? I have a micro eagle that my brother in law sold me that he used to carry (he's a Cincinnati cop btw) that has a 6 round mag. I assure you it's not from the old west.


    Looks to to me like it's from his wife's purse. :laugh:
  • SportsAndLady
    fish82;1799153 wrote:

    Looks to to me like it's from his wife's purse. :laugh:
    This made me lol
  • Belly35
    Skilled, season and trained, competent CCW would have the upper hand for a kill shot. At worst a distraction against unarmed victims. A wounded murder now becomes the hunted coward.
    i believe and support that every CCW hold should be required to spend 4 hours range time per year. Knowing your weapon is a safety factor for ownership.

    this is not and should not be about gun control, 2 Amendment or weapon banding .... Clearly this is about the failure of our government to be effective in the control of terrorism and the protection of the public. Shame on any politician, media and entertainment personality trying to spew agenda over the truth of government incompetence.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    fish82;1799153 wrote:

    Looks to to me like it's from his wife's purse. :laugh:
    Maybe!!
  • HitsRus
    That's a good gun to have if you are carrying more than one! .... Would be good ankle biter.
    Concealed carry guns could have as little as 5 rounds or as many as 13. For instance, carry revolvers in medium to large calibers typically have 5 rounds. On the other hand, sonHits Semi auto Springfield XD .45 compact has a 9 round standard mag... But an extended magazine that hold 13 is available.
  • friendfromlowry
    I can't believe all the paranoia I'm seeing about "taking guns from law-abiding citizens." It seriously can't be that much of a possibility?
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    friendfromlowry;1799237 wrote:I can't believe all the paranoia I'm seeing about "taking guns from law-abiding citizens." It seriously can't be that much of a possibility?
    Dude.. U serious? It happens everytime there's a shooting lol. Nothing is going to be done. But that doesn't stop everyone from yelling "der gunna take er gerns " and " zzzomg when are we going to take everyone's guns!!!!???"
  • friendfromlowry
    I know it happens. Still can't believe the outrage, though.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    friendfromlowry;1799241 wrote:I know it happens. Still can't believe the outrage, though.
    Everyone LOVES to be outraged now. It's like you're not doing it right anymore unless everything makes you lose your shit. But let's keep sensationalizing everything. Fuck you can't even have a storm on weather channel anymore without talking about how many people might die from it.
  • SportsAndLady
    Yeah my Facebook is almost unwatchable.

    This gay dude at my work sent my office a donation site for a gay equality charity. Fuck that lol
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    A guy at work asked me if I'm just terrified for my kids future.
    Uhh no. It's practically a zero % chance of it happening to you and if it does ... It's sucks but it's always happened and always will. So no... I don't worry.