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  • gut
    Heretic;1799672 wrote: Apparently, legally, there's a difference between "knowing a guy said he was going to do something" and "knowing a guy was definitely going to do something". At least that's how I read that article.
    I don't think she has a chance if it's proven she was with him several times casing the places, and with him buying the ammo. And it was a two hour drive - he told her "goodbye" and sounds like she know what he meant...and nothing.
  • Spock
    she will likely spend time behind bars. Might even be civilly liable.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    Islam, A Religion of Peace
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    Guys, you're losing the plot. Gun rights, the NRA the left wing liberals - they aren't to blame. This is Muslims: Muslims,Muslims, Muslims. This sick philosophy is the scourge of the earth and must be eradicated from the US. There are good Muslims? Yes,but there were good Nazis too. Islam is our enemy. A sick subhuman disease.
  • FatHobbit
    I do not believe this guy was any more representative of all Muslims than he was representative of all gun owners.
  • salto
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1799698 wrote: . There are good Muslims? Yes,but there were good Nazis too. .
    Really? Who were the good Nazis?

    "First of all, what does "being good" mean. Without getting into the philosophical woods, I would say, that being good at a minimum means that you respect the life and dignity of others. This is fundamentally at odds with Nazi ideology."
    https://www.quora.com/Were-there-any-good-Nazis



    FatHobbit;1799706 wrote:I do not believe this guy was any more representative of all Muslims than he was representative of all gun owners.

    I don't believe anyone has ever said he was a representative of either.

  • raiderbuck
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1799697 wrote:Islam, A Religion of Peace
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1799698 wrote:Guys, you're losing the plot. Gun rights, the NRA the left wing liberals - they aren't to blame. This is Muslims: Muslims,Muslims, Muslims. This sick philosophy is the scourge of the earth and must be eradicated from the US. There are good Muslims? Yes,but there were good Nazis too. Islam is our enemy. A sick subhuman disease.
    Is this real life?
  • like_that
    salto;1799720 wrote:Really? Who were the good Nazis?

    "First of all, what does "being good" mean. Without getting into the philosophical woods, I would say, that being good at a minimum means that you respect the life and dignity of others. This is fundamentally at odds with Nazi ideology."
    https://www.quora.com/Were-there-any-good-Nazis




    I don't believe anyone has ever said he was a representative of either.

    Schindler.
  • Automatik
    FatHobbit;1799706 wrote:I do not believe this guy was any more representative of all Muslims than he was representative of all gun owners.
    You're making too much sense. Stop it.
  • QuakerOats
    FatHobbit;1799706 wrote:I do not believe this guy was any more representative of all Muslims than he was representative of all gun owners.

    ISIS exterminates homosexuals, among others. Until we come to grips with who they are, by defining them, and develop a strategy and a plan to deal with them, how can we possibly win the war. Yet, in clockwork fashion, liberals and rags like the New York Times attempt to use this terrorist rampage to somehow blame republicans, the NRA, and gun owners in general, all for political gain. It is damn sickening to witness supposed leaders of this country parade around making complete fools of themselves and doing absolutely nothing worthwhile to defeat this radical hideous element that continues to gain ground on free people.

    WAKE THE HELL UP.
  • Automatik
    We are most definitely doing something in the Middle East to defeat them.

    But here is another story. One which I don't what the fuck can be done to combat it.
  • FatHobbit
    QuakerOats;1799745 wrote:ISIS exterminates homosexuals, among others. Until we come to grips with who they are, by defining them, and develop a strategy and a plan to deal with them, how can we possibly win the war.
    ISIS <> all Muslims
  • QuakerOats
    Which muslims are coming to the call of their country (USA)?

    Which muslim leaders are turning in suspected muslim terrorists?
  • Automatik
    Muslim leaders have denounced extremist activities over and over again. You seem to read a lot of articles, how the do you miss that?

    Leaders turning them in? How the fuck would you do that when these lunatics are operating in secrecy?

    I'm interested to see how the situation with Mateen's wife pans out.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    QuakerOats;1799745 wrote:ISIS exterminates homosexuals, among others. Until we come to grips with who they are, by defining them, and develop a strategy and a plan to deal with them, how can we possibly win the war. Yet, in clockwork fashion, liberals and rags like the New York Times attempt to use this terrorist rampage to somehow blame republicans, the NRA, and gun owners in general, all for political gain. It is damn sickening to witness supposed leaders of this country parade around making complete fools of themselves and doing absolutely nothing worthwhile to defeat this radical hideous element that continues to gain ground on free people.

    WAKE THE HELL UP.
    Short of a U.S. troop invasion and getting more involved in the civil war in Syria, what do you propose?
    We are fighting back ISIS territory, and supporting the Iraqis in their fight.
    I'm all ears to what else we should do.
    QuakerOats;1799749 wrote:Which muslims are coming to the call of their country (USA)?

    Which muslim leaders are turning in suspected muslim terrorists?
    Sigh, what a narrow and totally dumb two statements.
    A ton of them dude.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    Automatik;1799750 wrote:
    I'm interested to see how the situation with Mateen's wife pans out.
    Yeah, that will be interesting to see what she knew exactly, and if any charges can be filed.
    She knew something, just to what extent is the question.
  • Automatik
    But ohhhhhh "she's cooperating now"


    Dumbass should have cooperated weeks ago.
  • Automatik
    ptown_trojans_1;1799751 wrote:Short of a U.S. troop invasion and getting more involved in the civil war in Syria, what do you propose?
    We are fighting back ISIS territory, and supporting the Iraqis in their fight.
    I'm all ears to what else we should do.


    Sigh, what a narrow and totally dumb two statements.
    A ton of them dude.

    Just to build on that. I have a mindless friend who loves to spout off baseless claims about the military and our "lack of effort" against ISIS. Do you want to see "boots on the ground"? I sure as shit dont.

    As of 4:59 p.m. EST June 1, the U.S. and coalition have conducted a total of 12,685 strikes (8,661 Iraq / 4,024 Syria).
    U.S. has conducted 9,663 strikes in Iraq and Syria (5,876 Iraq / 3,787 Syria)
    Rest of Coalition has conducted 3,022 strikes in Iraq and Syria (2,785 Iraq / 237 Syria)
    The countries that have participated in the strikes include:
    In Iraq: (1) Australia, (2) Belgium, (3) Canada, (4) Denmark, (5) France, (6) Jordan, (7) The Netherlands, and (8) UK
    In Syria: (1) Australia, (2) Bahrain, (3) Canada, (4) France, (5) Jordan, (6) The Netherlands, (7) Saudi Arabia, (8) Turkey (9) UAE and (10) UK
    As of Apr. 16, U.S. and partner nation aircraft have flown an estimated 91,821 sorties in support of operations in Iraq and Syria
  • sleeper
    Automatik;1799753 wrote:But ohhhhhh "she's cooperating now"


    Dumbass should have cooperated weeks ago.
    She needs a lawyer honestly. She is using this tragedy as her '15 minutes of fame' but didn't think it through that people are mad and are looking for someone to punish. She should have kept her mouth shut about "scoping the place out".

    She will likely face some sort of jail time/punishment for this. I don't see how she can say what she said and not be seen as an accomplice to the shooting.
  • QuakerOats
    Automatik;1799755 wrote:Just to build on that. I have a mindless friend who loves to spout off baseless claims about the military and our "lack of effort" against ISIS. Do you want to see "boots on the ground"? I sure as shit dont.

    As of 4:59 p.m. EST June 1, the U.S. and coalition have conducted a total of 12,685 strikes (8,661 Iraq / 4,024 Syria).
    U.S. has conducted 9,663 strikes in Iraq and Syria (5,876 Iraq / 3,787 Syria)
    Rest of Coalition has conducted 3,022 strikes in Iraq and Syria (2,785 Iraq / 237 Syria)
    The countries that have participated in the strikes include:
    In Iraq: (1) Australia, (2) Belgium, (3) Canada, (4) Denmark, (5) France, (6) Jordan, (7) The Netherlands, and (8) UK
    In Syria: (1) Australia, (2) Bahrain, (3) Canada, (4) France, (5) Jordan, (6) The Netherlands, (7) Saudi Arabia, (8) Turkey (9) UAE and (10) UK
    As of Apr. 16, U.S. and partner nation aircraft have flown an estimated 91,821 sorties in support of operations in Iraq and Syria


    Thanks. What is the overall strategy and plan to defeat ISIS and eradicate attacks on the homeland? Does a plan even exist? How could it exist if the commander-in-chief can not/will not define the enemy? Is open borders a part of his strategy to win? And on and on and on ................
  • Automatik
    Valid questions. Earlier I addressed it...I don't know how to handle it and I'm sure you don't either.

    Also, how would a "closed border" have any effect on the Orlando shooting?

    The enemy has been defined for years. Take your own advice and wake the fuck up.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    QuakerOats;1799762 wrote:Thanks. What is the overall strategy and plan to defeat ISIS and eradicate attacks on the homeland? Does a plan even exist? How could it exist if the commander-in-chief can not/will not define the enemy? Is open borders a part of his strategy to win? And on and on and on ................
    Same since after 9/11 man.
    Just replace al qaeda with ISIS. The large infrastructure is still there.
    What are you not getting?

    What do you think that people were just sitting around saying oh shit, ISIS is here, let's get a plan!
    Do a little research man.
    One little google will see our NSS from Feb of 2015.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2015_national_security_strategy.pdf
  • Automatik
    You do know your efforts are useless, right?

    Doom and gloom is his game. Whining and complaining gets him through his days.
  • QuakerOats
    ptown_trojans_1;1799764 wrote:Same since after 9/11 man.
    Just replace al qaeda with ISIS. The large infrastructure is still there.
    What are you not getting?

    What do you think that people were just sitting around saying oh shit, ISIS is here, let's get a plan!
    Do a little research man.
    One little google will see our NSS from Feb of 2015.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2015_national_security_strategy.pdf



    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4944581208001/cia-director-our-efforts-have-not-reduced-isis-capabilities/?intcmp=hpbt1#sp=show-clips



    Carry on...
  • Automatik
    What's your suggestion?