No jobs for grads

• Automatik

  

  That's another one. I've been in contact with several recruiters in recent weeks, no real leads yet, but it can't hurt.
  
  I just don't see how it's logical to move back to Ohio because you can't find a job here, like one will be waiting for you there. Moving costs money, finding a job in a city where you aren't currently living is a bitch. The entire situation is just ridiculous...kid needs smacked.
• sleeper

  

  -LOL at the suggestion that small colleges like Mount Union, Muskingum etc aren't as good as bigger schools like Ohio State. Unless your degree is from Harvard, your degree from OSU is worthless unless you are motivated and you have skills/experience.

  Ignorance. Ohio State is one of the top schools in the country and I will take the success of the collective Buckeyes over any school like freaking Mount Union any day of the week.
  

  How about speaking with a temp agency as well? LOLFAIL on your roommate.

  Sounds like his roommate is a boomer. LOLFAIL indeed.
• sleeper

  

  Automatik;1618597 wrote:That's another one. I've been in contact with several recruiters in recent weeks, no real leads yet, but it can't hurt.
  
  I just don't see how it's logical to move back to Ohio because you can't find a job here, like one will be waiting for you there. Moving costs money, finding a job in a city where you aren't currently living is a bitch. The entire situation is just ridiculous...kid needs smacked.

  The reality is NYC(and DC for that matter) are two the cities where it is easiest to find employment. In other words, your roommate is worthless.
• Automatik

  

  And his alternative.....Cincinnati. LOL
• queencitybuckeye

  Automatik;1618584 wrote:That's my roommate in a nutshell.
  
  "Awwwwww I can't find anything, I've been applying!!"
  
  I asked how many applications he sends out a week?
  0-5
  
  LinkedIn?
  Nope
  
  Making connects through your alumni network?
  Nope
  
  Tailoring your resume to specific openings?
  Nope
  
  The same for cover letters?
  Nope
  
  Making connects through your current free-lance work?
  Nope
  
  
  And there you have it. He's considering bailing on NYC because he can't find a better job, yet on a 1-10 scale his effort is about a 2. I try to talk sense into him, but I'm sure I just sound like the harping roommate that acts like he knows it all. I'm not a knowitall by any means, but I do know what it takes to get a job and sitting back and crying about won't do shit.

  Would add, "Given any thought to a plan to make your freelance work a business?".
  
  I agree about the lack of jobs, but there is no lack of work needing done that people and companies are willing to pay for.
• dlazz

  Automatik;1618597 wrote:That's another one. I've been in contact with several recruiters in recent weeks, no real leads yet, but it can't hurt.

  Recruiters were a huge time waste for me. I wish I had the time back I spent messing with them, I could've used it looking for jobs on my own.
• Automatik

  

  I'm working with 3 offices, they mostly specialize in finance, which I want nothing to do with.
  
  The best lead I got so far was a lateral move, not worth it. At this point, I'm just shooting them an email every few weeks to let them know I'm still on the hunt.
• Ytowngirlinfla

  

  Automatik;1618605 wrote:I'm working with 3 offices, they mostly specialize in finance, which I want nothing to do with.
  
  The best lead I got so far was a lateral move, not worth it. At this point, I'm just shooting them an email every few weeks to let them know I'm still on the hunt.

  You are looking to move back to Ohio?
• Ytowngirlinfla

  

  HitsRus;1618575 wrote: The job market is tough....and when the going gets tough........
  
  Let's face it, some people just don't try very hard, or are just not persistent enough. If it doesn't fall into their lap, or if it doesn't fall into their lap in just the right way for just the right amount, they'll just keep drifting.

  Bingo. That and the perception that because you have a degree you should be making X amount.
• iclfan2

  

  dlazz;1618604 wrote:Recruiters were a huge time waste for me. I wish I had the time back I spent messing with them, I could've used it looking for jobs on my own.

  That's the dumbest thing I've read on here yet, and I'm not shocked it came from you. I'm on my 3rd job. 2 of which came with the help of a recruiter (The one that didn't was my job I got out of college). No one is reading your resume you submit online, and 90% of the time they are using a recruiter anyway. Not only that, the recruiter who got me my 2nd job kept in touch and could have gotten me hired at a higher wage in a better industry, and he came looking for me for the job. Had I wanted to stay in Cle I would have taken it. You must have had a shitty recruiter.
  
  Other generalizations on this thread from 2 people who just were job hunting... There definitely is a lack of jobs for skilled professionals. That said, it took me about two months of online applying and a recruiter in the exact city I wanted where I didn't know any professionals in to get a job. I did get the recruiters name from 2 classmates from grad school though. Which brings me to my next point, grad school classmates are a wealth of industry contacts. I didn't even talk to some of them but the ones I even remotely talked to I would facebook message in a second if I needed a job. Now grad school is expensive, but if you have a good gmat and aren't a douche you can get a grad assistantship which pays you and cheapens tuition (if out of state). My Fiance on the other hand is a Pharmacist with CVS, and has been looking for a job down here in SC for 2 months and there are literally none. Check Indeed and other websites every day, etc and nothing. Luckily she is transferring, but the lack of prospects in a high paying field like that is scary for new grads. I also had trouble finding jobs that were paying what I was worth, but I ended up finding one in a couple of months.
  
  Another problem is people limit themselves to a small geographic area instead of being willing to expand their borders. People are so set on living in their small town their whole life they pass up good opportunities elsewhere.
• Pick6

  

  Automatik;1618600 wrote:And his alternative.....Cincinnati. LOL

  I really don't think Ohio is as bad as you and some others make it out to be. I won't claim it's great, but not horrible.
  Cincinnnati unemployment rate March 2014: 5.8%
  http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.oh_cincinnati_msa.htm
  NYC April 2014- 7.4%
  https://labor.ny.gov/stats/pressreleases/prlaus.shtm
  
  Obviously areas like you are from (Steubenville I believe) are complete shit holes and not worth moving back to, but I don't think the 3 big cities are horrible.
  
  edit: hell, even for shits and giggles..
  DC April 2014: 7.5% unemployment rate
  http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.dc.htm
  
  Cleveland March 2014: 6.1%
  http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/04/ohios_unemployment_rate_down_t_2.html
• HitsRus

  

  Ignorance. Ohio State is one of the top schools in the country and I will take the success of the collective Buckeyes over any school like freaking Mount Union any day of the week

  I share your Buckeye pride as my graduate degree is from tOSU. Many of our grad schools are tops in the country, but the latest US News and World Report rankings had our undergrad as sixth in the B1G....16th nationally for large universities. Certainly pretty good, but not enough to write your own ticket because you have OSU paper.
  
  For the sake of argument, let's agree that OSU is a better school than Mount or Muskie or YSU or BGSU....when it comes to hiring, attitude/motivation is at least as important, as employers have to train you anyway.
  Having a diploma from a "better" school is like having a big dong...it's nice to have, but unless it's movin' and shakin' in a good direction, it isn't going to satisfy anyone.
• Automatik

  

  Ytowngirlinfla;1618613 wrote:You are looking to move back to Ohio?

  No, only here.
  
  

  Pick6;1618647 wrote:I really don't think Ohio is as bad as you and some others make it out to be. I won't claim it's great, but not horrible.
  Cincinnnati unemployment rate March 2014: 5.8%
  http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.oh_cincinnati_msa.htm
  NYC April 2014- 7.4%
  https://labor.ny.gov/stats/pressreleases/prlaus.shtm
  
  Obviously areas like you are from (Steubenville I believe) are complete shit holes and not worth moving back to, but I don't think the 3 big cities are horrible.
  
  edit: hell, even for shits and giggles..
  DC April 2014: 7.5% unemployment rate
  http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.dc.htm
  
  Cleveland March 2014: 6.1%
  http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/04/ohios_unemployment_rate_down_t_2.html

  lol, it was more a knock on him running back home (he's from Cincy), than employment in Ohio.
  
  It's a different ballgame there, but definitely a place where you can make it happen. I haven't ruled out returning one day, Columbus though...no a big fan of Cincinnati.
• rmolin73

  

  iclfan2;1618646 wrote:Another problem is people limit themselves to a small geographic area instead of being willing to expand their borders. People are so set on living in their small town their whole life they pass up good opportunities elsewhere.

  This is a lot of people in a nut shell.
• Pick6

  

  HitsRus;1618660 wrote:I share your Buckeye pride as my graduate degree is from tOSU. Many of our grad schools are tops in the country, but the latest US News and World Report rankings had our undergrad as sixth in the B1G....16th nationally for large universities. Certainly pretty good, but not enough to write your own ticket because you have OSU paper.
  
  For the sake of argument, let's agree that OSU is a better school than Mount or Muskie or YSU or BGSU....when it comes to hiring, attitude/motivation is at least as important, as employers have to train you anyway.
  Having a diploma from a "better" school is like having a big dong...it's nice to have, but unless it's movin' and shakin' in a good direction, it isn't going to satisfy anyone.

  The accounting firm I am employed at has offices in Ohio located in Cleveland and Cincinnati. They do campus recruiting at Cinci, Xavier, Dayton, OSU, Miami, Akron, Kent, and John Carroll. I stand by my statement that any combination of prestige and location are most certainly a huge factor. I also do not know of any Big 4 that recruits below the D1 level. Maybe icl can correct me if I am wrong.
• pmoney25

  

  I think for your first job, your school can help but after you hit 30 most people don't care. They want to see and hear what you've done. When I interview people I may glance at where they graduated from but mainly to see if they finished so they meet the education requirement.
  
  Talent wins out in the end over where you went to school.
• HitsRus

  

  John Carroll is "D3"....I suspect that recruiting is done on campuses where they are likely to find large numbers of quality applicants. Bigger schools with good programs make it worth their time and effort to go there. I'm not sure that going to a school other than those listed disqualifies you from a hire.
• iclfan2

  

  pmoney25;1618672 wrote:I think for your first job, your school can help but after you hit 30 most people don't care. They want to see and hear what you've done. When I interview people I may glance at where they graduated from but mainly to see if they finished so they meet the education requirement.
  
  Talent wins out in the end over where you went to school.

  Agreed. I think what Pick 6 was saying is there are certain industries that hire from certain schools. I'm not sure how prevalent this is though. The problem is who the hell knows what they want to do when they pick out a school for an undergrad degree. A lot of my friends went to smaller schools, Mount, Allegheny, YSU and most got jobs. I would say my friends who went to Kent had a harder time getting jobs, and that was probably because of their own personality/ lack of caring. 1 of which works on the line at GM with his Business degree. If you can schmooze in an interview, you can get a job. A lot of people don't get hired because they are bumps on a log, don't fit in with the culture, etc.
  
  One other point I saw, older people are taking huge paycuts to find jobs these days. I had a mid 40's woman with decent amount of years of experience apply for the same job I did. Fortunately she wasn't a fit for the job as much as I was, but she was willing to start at the same salary I was, 5 years out of college.
• iclfan2

  

  Pick6;1618666 wrote:I also do not know of any Big 4 that recruits below the D1 level. Maybe icl can correct me if I am wrong.

  Carrol and Case in Cle. Cle is unique that there isn't really a good big D1 school around though.
• pmoney25

  

  ICL brings up a good point about interviewing. It is shocking how bad most people are during interviews.
• dlazz

  iclfan2;1618646 wrote:That's the dumbest thing I've read on here yet, and I'm not shocked it came from you.

  You must not browse here much.
  
  I was specifically talking about IT recruiters.
  
  I dealt with two and they were both incredibly unhelpful. Everyone else I've talked to in the field more or less agreed with me.
• friendfromlowry

  I've been looking at jobs online for healthcare recruitment and staffing coordinators, and have applied for several over the past couple weeks. One application I'm looking at right now has you fill in your name, e-mail, phone number and where you can attach files and provide a message. I guess what separates me from the new grads is I at least have a decent job/salary right now, but I'd love to get closer to home and off of fucking night shift. I've put my time in patient care, ready for something else.
  
  I agree that networking is huge. I started off right out of high school working in a local hospital and had a job offered to me months before I graduated because of the contacts I had made and reputation established. But I think you just get lucky once in a while, too. My wife applied for a patient educator position on a whim a couple weeks ago and is going for her second interview next week. All she did was submit her resume and cover letter.
  Networking is tough sometimes, too. I'd love to meet someone face to face, shake their hand, and introduce myself. But with applying to jobs online, it's so vague and you hope someone's HR department thinks you qualify among how many other applicants. You rarely get a contact to follow up with.
  
  I've been wondering how healthcare employment is going to start trending. The motto anymore is "do more with less." A lot of hospitals cutting staff and going on hiring freezes. My sister just graduated from OSU's nursing program a few weeks ago and hasn't had much luck despite applying to dozens of places. I think healthcare employment is getting kind of flooded, though. In the Cincinnati to Dayton Columbus region, a couple dozen schools pump out thousands of students annually.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Networking is huge. Use the people that can vouch for you.
  
  Again this should probably be in the political forum..I have a cousin that is a nurse and she had her hours cut to under 40 a week due to Obamacare. Her younger brother does have a job in road construction, but he travels 100 miles every week just to make $17/hour. He is 26 years old and likely will struggle to marry or have a family unless we take care of him. Which we will.
• like_that

  

  Pick6;1618647 wrote:I really don't think Ohio is as bad as you and some others make it out to be. I won't claim it's great, but not horrible.
  Cincinnnati unemployment rate March 2014: 5.8%
  http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.oh_cincinnati_msa.htm
  NYC April 2014- 7.4%
  https://labor.ny.gov/stats/pressreleases/prlaus.shtm
  
  Obviously areas like you are from (Steubenville I believe) are complete shit holes and not worth moving back to, but I don't think the 3 big cities are horrible.
  
  edit: hell, even for shits and giggles..
  DC April 2014: 7.5% unemployment rate
  http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.dc.htm
  
  Cleveland March 2014: 6.1%
  http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/04/ohios_unemployment_rate_down_t_2.html

  There are a lot of lazy fucks in DC who bring those numbers are. I think the point sleeper wad making, if you are educated you should be able to get a job in DC easy.
• Gblock

  dlazz;1618703 wrote:You must not browse here much.
  
  I was specifically talking about IT recruiters.
  
  I dealt with two and they were both incredibly unhelpful. Everyone else I've talked to in the field more or less agreed with me.

  
  I have a good friend who gets people jobs in IT everyday. Hit him up.
  
  https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=93940437&snapshotID=&authType=name&authToken=Kc26&ref=NUS&trk=NUS-body-member-name