No jobs for grads
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gut
I think things are picking up [finally] in the past year or so. Prior to that, a lot of companies were just fishing with postings - positions they would only fill with a slightly overqualified LOCAL candidate they could get cheap.OSH;1619007 wrote:Jobs are available. Maybe there is a lack of jobs in certain areas, careers, etc., but that doesn't mean there aren't jobs. I hear all the time of educators not being able to find jobs...2 months ago I looked in a Houston-area district that had 150+ jobs open, and I didn't even do much searching for it. My wife is an educator and has known of jobs all over (or applied several places).
Another thing I've noticed that bodes increasingly problematic are positions from lower-level staff to mid-mgmt are starting to require experience with specific software. With the trend toward BI and various other tools, this is going to become really tough given the vast number of software vendors out there. And it's stupid for hiring managers to limit their candidate pool like that, but it's reality. -
Pick6
I don't see what is wrong or uniformed about my opinion. As far as I know, I am the most recent graduate from college on this forum. I have many friends still in college at a variety of colleges across Ohio, the US, and even Canada. I am witnessing what its like to land one first hand and with people very close to me. Art degrees, etc are worthless. I have no sympathy for somebody who chooses a joke degree because mommy told them they can be whatever they want and ends up flipping burgers upon graduation, nor do I have a problem with them "chasing the dream". Just don't bitch when you get stuck with a job that you can't even make your student loan payments with. I did mention reputation, but I hardly was touting it. I was touting location more than anything. I also agree that you need to do things besides going to class to land a job. Go above and beyond. I was involved in one student group and interned the summer before graduation (got offered job at end of internship).OSH;1618994 wrote:I saw. Doesn't mean opinions cannot be wrong or uninformed.
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Ytowngirlinfla
I'm talking about majors. You wouldn't believe the amount of enlisted members that have Bachelor's. Most straight out of college and got desperate. Most with majors such as History, Sociology, Business Management, etc. Some obviously sounded like they had zero plans on what they are going to do when they graduated so of course they couldn't find a job. You can major in anything, have a great plan and be successful. Most of the people I've run across that couldn't find a job had no plan and a major that didn't just open up opportunities.OSH;1618989 wrote:There's a lot to be said about this statement in being true. A friend of mine said his 12-month internship while in undergrad (both will be finished in December) could lead into a $30-35,000 salaried position. He asked if it was a good thing and what I thought about it. Shoot, he's done more in his years as an undergrad than the majority of students I've come across have. I said, look around, none of your friends or classmates are probably in a position to even get an interview with anything. He'd be living at home and pocketing everything. Perfect chance for him because of what he's done.
Not everyone comes out of school making $60,000 a year. Gotta start somewhere.
I don't know exactly what you are getting at with the "degree" part (type of degree or school where degree came from), but I've stated before in discussions like these: I know that "psychology" degrees have all kinds of unemployment associated with them, but what's the numbers like? There are more people graduating with business, education, sports management, exercise science, and "valuable" degrees like that have all kinds of unemployment too. What exactly is considered "valuable" in a degree to you or anyone else who makes similar statements?
Sure, psychology has high unemployment, but business majors have a hard time finding a job too. I would bet, numerically speaking, business majors outnumber psychology (or, any other "worthless" degree) majors in terms of unemployed.
There's a lot that's wrong with this...
What major you choose? So, everyone should be picking their degrees based on what pays good? People should choose their degrees based on employment opportunities? People should only choose "valuable" degrees? If any one of these questions is the right one, then where is the variance in career opportunities? There's value in art degrees...maybe not to you, but to many there are.
Why can't someone "be whatever they want to be?" We should be like Africa where the government dictates the direction of a person's career? That sounds excellent. Why can't people be what they want to be? Everyone can and should do what they want, if they choose...but they should know the expectations and opportunities. Some careers do require more work and/or "luck" to get into, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with chasing the "dream."
Reputation of the school...doesn't [really] matter unless you are going to Harvard, Yale, or some other extremely prestigious school. And, even then, if you did NOTHING during your college career, it probably still won't help you. I coached a player in HS who ended up at St. Andrews in Scotland. He was unemployed after graduation because he spent the summers just working youth camps at Duke instead of pursuing his career field. He is employed now thanks to his brother at Tempurpedic. He is a genius of a kid when it comes to the books, but he did nothing to help his career outside of getting a prestigious degree (actually a double while he was there).
It's easy to do a simple Google search to find out all the studies that show that WHERE you got a degree doesn't really mean much (here's a recent one). We don't even need a recent one, here's 2004. If the school actually mattered, why would anyone go anywhere else? Why do other schools exist? Why don't all the major schools buy up all the lousy schools? Who exactly is a "good" school? What qualifies a "good" school?
There are just as many "important" people out there who graduated from lesser known schools as have graduated from known schools -- or that haven't graduated from either. Either way, I wrote about this stuff in my blog about 10 days ago as semesters were wrapping up around the country. I'm just tired of hearing the same stuff. It's not about the lack of jobs, it's not about the degree, it's about the 4 years (or more) of what one does to make oneself more marketable/hireable to the potential employer. As athletic recruiting starts earlier and earlier, being prepared for careers and resumes should start earlier and earlier too. -
OSH
I disagreed on numerous things: reputation of school (doesn't matter), choice of major (doesn't matter), worthless degrees (I don't know if there are any, and people can be what they want to be -- it's their choice), and location of school (doesn't matter).Pick6;1619012 wrote:I don't see what is wrong or uniformed about my opinion. As far as I know, I am the most recent graduate from college on this forum. I have many friends still in college at a variety of colleges across Ohio, the US, and even Canada. I am witnessing what its like to land one first hand and with people very close to me. Art degrees, etc are worthless. I have no sympathy for somebody who chooses a joke degree because mommy told them they can be whatever they want and ends up flipping burgers upon graduation, nor do I have a problem with them "chasing the dream". Just don't bitch when you get stuck with a job that you can't even make your student loan payments with. I did mention reputation, but I hardly was touting it. I was touting location more than anything. I also agree that you need to do things besides going to class to land a job. Go above and beyond. I was involved in one student group and interned the summer before graduation (got offered job at end of internship).
I don't see what you're really disagreeing with me about other than the fact of joke majors.
I work in higher education and have studied it for 4+ years. I have worked in 3 states in the past 5 years. That also means I've had to get jobs in each state while my wife has done the same. I work with all kinds of college grads, college students, and prospective college students. There are all kinds of opportunities and chances for people no matter where they get a degree, what it's in, and where they are located.
I believe it. I know of all the majors, but if they have an interest in a subject or career path, why not chase it? Nothing wrong with that. But, they also have to accept the fact that they may not get their "dream job" in the time they think they should.Ytowngirlinfla;1619014 wrote:I'm talking about majors. You wouldn't believe the amount of enlisted members that have Bachelor's. Most straight out of college and got desperate. Most with majors such as History, Sociology, Business Management, etc. Some obviously sounded like they had zero plans on what they are going to do when they graduated so of course they couldn't find a job. You can major in anything, have a great plan and be successful. Most of the people I've run across that couldn't find a job had no plan and a major that didn't just open up opportunities.
Honestly, the biggest problem I find with higher education is that there is not enough of the "real life" talk. Talking about not landing the dream job. Talk about "climbing the ladder." Talk about grunt work until something else opens up. Talk about preparation and resume building. Parents don't know these things -- how much has college changed since my parents graduated college (in 1981/1982)? A lot. They didn't know what to expect or anticipate. No one can ever imagine that public schools would start cutting physical education, music education, or art education -- for how many years were they integral parts of the curriculum? That's just one example. Heck, how many teachers and public funding was used to help Ohio educators get their Master's degrees...only to have that chopped again. It'll probably end up coming back again too.
Things change. College students, high school students, and anyone else who doesn't go through education systems have to plan for "Plan A, Plan B, Plan C..." -
ts1227
You do realize the name of the forum is a meme and sarcastic, correct?QuakerOats;1618972 wrote:Thank you. Obviously 'No Jobs for Grads' is Serious Business, which is the sub-title of the forum. I realize some would rather bury their head in the sand because debate may be uncomfortable for them, but reality should ultimately rule.
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Pick6
Once again I am not touting reputation, simply stating reputation is helpful if you go to a school in a poor location. There are essentially worthless degrees no matter how you want try to spin it. I could find a ton of data to back me up if I really cared. Are you trying to tell me there isn't currently a ton of demand for engineering students and there are enough art places hiring to hire even half of art graduates? Choice of major most certainly "does matter" and I cant believe you are trying to debate that it doesnt.OSH;1619032 wrote:I disagreed on numerous things: reputation of school (doesn't matter), choice of major (doesn't matter), worthless degrees (I don't know if there are any, and people can be what they want to be -- it's their choice), and location of school (doesn't matter).
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iclfan2
Everything matters when getting a job. You working in higher education explains the useless drivel you have been spewing. Reputation of school doesn't necessarily matter, and location does depending on if there are openings. But most of all choice of major most certainly matters. The whole belief of you can be what you want to be is great until you have a degree in philosophy and work at mcdonalds. You can strategically get majors that somewhat relates to your field, but also has job potential. In 2014, if you go to college and don't look up the job outlook and what fields are going to be in demand, then you are a moron. It's one thing to want to be something, it's another to take $50k+ in loans to get a worthless piece of paper that will take you 15 years to pay back. The whole point of college is to not have to take a $30k job after it. You can go work on a roof and make that much and probably enjoy it more. With no debt!OSH;1619032 wrote:I disagreed on numerous things: reputation of school (doesn't matter), choice of major (doesn't matter), worthless degrees (I don't know if there are any, and people can be what they want to be -- it's their choice), and location of school (doesn't matter).
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OSH
I'm saying reputation doesn't really matter, regardless of location -- nor did I said you touted reputation. What's a "poor location?" That's dependent upon the student isn't it? Can't the individual go wherever he/she wants to go? Many people would say Akron is a terrible location for a school and it's reputation sucks...but it worked out for you.Pick6;1619036 wrote:Once again I am not touting reputation, simply stating reputation is helpful if you go to a school in a poor location. There are essentially worthless degrees no matter how you want try to spin it. I could find a ton of data to back me up if I really cared. Are you trying to tell me there isn't currently a ton of demand for engineering students and there are enough art places hiring to hire even half of art graduates?
Again, what is a worthless degree? Just because there's a demand for engineering students (hypothetically speaking) doesn't mean the art major should be there. I could probably bust my balls doing engineering studying, and I still wouldn't make it out with a degree. What's that do for me then? Not everyone can do everything that's capable of being filled -- nor does it mean that if there are vast opportunities that there'll be as many qualified persons. Look at law degrees now, would you consider it a "worthless degree?" Currently, there are too many lawyers (and will be for several years) and not enough jobs. Not too common to call a law degree worthless.
If someone wants to study art, it's not worthless. There is value in every degree. There could potentially be more value in it if you do what's necessary to be employed after you graduate -- in the field that you get your degree in or not. -
Pick6
Akron's overall reputation sucks, yes, but they have great programs within the University that are well known. How is Akron anywhere close to a horrible location? 30 miles from Cleveland that every reputable corporation in the area recruits at in one way or another. Nobody is going out of their way to go to Muskingum to recruit because it is in the middle of BFE and is an average school.OSH;1619038 wrote:I'm saying reputation doesn't really matter, regardless of location -- nor did I said you touted reputation. What's a "poor location?" That's dependent upon the student isn't it? Can't the individual go wherever he/she wants to go? Many people would say Akron is a terrible location for a school and it's reputation sucks...but it worked out for you.
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OSH
I work in higher education to help students (that I can) where higher education lacks (well, that's secondary to my actual career).iclfan2;1619037 wrote:Everything matters when getting a job. You working in higher education explains the useless drivel you have been spewing. Reputation of school doesn't necessarily matter, and location does depending on if there are openings. But most of all choice of major most certainly matters. The whole belief of you can be what you want to be is great until you have a degree in philosophy and work at mcdonalds. You can strategically get majors that somewhat relates to your field, but also has job potential. In 2014, if you go to college and don't look up the job outlook and what fields are going to be in demand, then you are a moron. It's one thing to want to be something, it's another to take $50k+ in loans to get a worthless piece of paper that will take you 15 years to pay back. The whole point of college is to not have to take a $30k job after it. You can go work on a roof and make that much and probably enjoy it more. With no debt!
I tell everyone I come in contact with about jobs -- there are 3 types of employees (in my opinion): 1) those that want to work where they want to work and that's all they want to do; 2) those that will work anywhere to provide (could be happy with it or hate their job); and 3) those that will work anywhere and will love what they do. I truly think this is where people will fall into. I was #1...I did everything I could and struggled through it to be where I am, but I couldn't imagine doing anything else with my life. My dad is #2 -- he doesn't really seem to like his job, but he's done it for 30+ years because he is a man and needed to provide for his family (which he's done). And I come across all kinds of people in #3 -- it could be the janitor, bus driver, lunch lady, whoever...they may not have set out to do that career (or careers, wherever it may be) but they love their job and will continue to love wherever they end up working.
There are openings all over the country in all kinds of careers/jobs. Where does it matter about the reputation and/or location of the school? I've got degrees from 3 different schools in 3 different states...I'm not working in a state where I've gotten a degree and no one here knows my past schools (reputation, location, or name). If any of that mattered, there'd basically be 50 schools, one for each state because that's all that matters. Or, maybe just 1 school...because it's more valuable than all the rest so it should only exist by itself.
I completely agree with you that finding what job outlook happens to be is important. I'd never say otherwise. But, that said, just because the world needs RNs doesn't mean someone should go be an RN. Just because the world needs a Computer Systems Analyst doesn't mean someone should chase that job.
If the point of college is not to have a $30,000 job after, then almost everyone has failed in life. For some, $30,000 is plenty and they don't need anymore. If $30,000 is unacceptable money for college graduates, then we should never have any educators. Why is making more "necessary?" Why should a degree get you more? If minimum wage is $7.25/hour, an employee works 40 hours a week and 52 weeks a year, he/she is making $15,080. I'd say getting a college degree and a job at $30,000 is better (income-wise) than a regular minimum wage job...no matter the debt. But...if someone is happy getting $15,080 a year, who am I to tell them otherwise? -
OSH
I hate cities. It's a terrible location for me. It's all based on personal experience and desire.Pick6;1619040 wrote:Akron's overall reputation sucks, yes, but they have great programs within the University that are well known. How is Akron anywhere close to a horrible location? 30 miles from Cleveland that every reputable corporation in the area recruits at in one way or another. Nobody is going out of their way to go to Muskingum to recruit because it is in the middle of BFE and is an average school.
I had no clue that Muskingum didn't get any of their graduates hired anywhere because of its location. That does suck. I shoulda known. Maybe someone should tell John Glenn his degree sucks. I bet Darrell Hazell and Jim Heacock are worthless coaches because they played ball and received an education at Muskingum.
I'd also say that Akron is an average school compared to MANY other schools in the country...so, how is it any different than Muskingum? If students wait around on recruiters coming to their school, that's their fault.
College is what you make it. You wouldn't know my alma mater, but that doesn't stop my buddy from being in a high level position with Tempurpedic and one of his classmates from landing a job with a "Big 4" accounting firm right out of college. If students puts themselves in the right positions, surrounds themselves with the right people, and do the things necessary to get employed...it's highly likely they can get a job. Unfortunately, that job may not be where they want, when they want it, and making what they want...but then we are talking about unrealistic expectations. -
gport_tennisdlazz;1618933 wrote:I think they get a piece when you sign on, and maybe another if/when the contract ends and they hire you on.
There are 2 different types of recruiting we do at the company I work for (Lightwell Inc. www.lightwellinc.com), Contract recruiting and Perm/Direct Hire/FTE recruiting.Gblock;1618942 wrote:my buddy said that all his money comes from the company that wants to hire you. his goal is to get 4 people hired per month. if they stay 90 days he gets paid. any people that he gets hired over 4 he gets another bonus. He makes ok money i think 60-70000. But his income definitely fluctuates according to how many people stay on the job. he may make 6000 in a month and then make 2000 the next
For contract recruiting company X comes to us and says I need a person to do some task for some set period of time. We find the candidate, then figure out their total cost to our company per hour they will work (hourly/salary rate + tax liability + the cost we pay in subsidizing their health care). Once we have the hourly cost, we mark it up a certain percentage (varies by the client and the contracts in place) and present the candidate to the client. So for every hour the consultant works, we make our profit and we pay the employee the agreed upon rate. Most clients have the right to hire the consultant to their staff after 6 months without paying us any additional fees.
For Perm recruiting, we find the candidate, find out the salary info and present to the client. If the client hires the candidate they pay us a one time placement fee based on the first years salary. The higher the salary, the more we make. IF the candidate leaves during the "trial period" (usually the first 90 days) we have to return some or all of the placement fee.
There is a whole lot more that goes into staffing, but that is in a nutshell how we get paid. Now since one recruiters LinkedIn profile page has already been pimped out, I'll go ahead and shamelessly plug myself as well https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=171863211&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile -
Ytowngirlinfla
Can't view the linked-in unless you have common connections.gport_tennis;1619050 wrote:There are 2 different types of recruiting we do at the company I work for (Lightwell Inc. www.lightwellinc.com), Contract recruiting and Perm/Direct Hire/FTE recruiting.
For contract recruiting company X comes to us and says I need a person to do some task for some set period of time. We find the candidate, then figure out their total cost to our company per hour they will work (hourly/salary rate + tax liability + the cost we pay in subsidizing their health care). Once we have the hourly cost, we mark it up a certain percentage (varies by the client and the contracts in place) and present the candidate to the client. So for every hour the consultant works, we make our profit and we pay the employee the agreed upon rate. Most clients have the right to hire the consultant to their staff after 6 months without paying us any additional fees.
For Perm recruiting, we find the candidate, find out the salary info and present to the client. If the client hires the candidate they pay us a one time placement fee based on the first years salary. The higher the salary, the more we make. IF the candidate leaves during the "trial period" (usually the first 90 days) we have to return some or all of the placement fee.
There is a whole lot more that goes into staffing, but that is in a nutshell how we get paid. Now since one recruiters LinkedIn profile page has already been pimped out, I'll go ahead and shamelessly plug myself as well https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=171863211&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile -
dlazz
I can see him.Ytowngirlinfla;1619056 wrote:Can't view the linked-in unless you have common connections.
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Pick6
I think you are taking my points out of context/just not fully understanding my point because I agree with most of the things you say, but I've said all I need to say. It's ultimately up to the student, but I think there are external factors that give you an edge to landing a decent job out of school. Agree to disagree.OSH;1619044 wrote:I hate cities. It's a terrible location for me. It's all based on personal experience and desire.
I had no clue that Muskingum didn't get any of their graduates hired anywhere because of its location. That does suck. I shoulda known. Maybe someone should tell John Glenn his degree sucks. I bet Darrell Hazell and Jim Heacock are worthless coaches because they played ball and received an education at Muskingum.
I'd also say that Akron is an average school compared to MANY other schools in the country...so, how is it any different than Muskingum? If students wait around on recruiters coming to their school, that's their fault.
College is what you make it. You wouldn't know my alma mater, but that doesn't stop my buddy from being in a high level position with Tempurpedic and one of his classmates from landing a job with a "Big 4" accounting firm right out of college. If students puts themselves in the right positions, surrounds themselves with the right people, and do the things necessary to get employed...it's highly likely they can get a job. Unfortunately, that job may not be where they want, when they want it, and making what they want...but then we are talking about unrealistic expectations. -
Ytowngirlinfla
Must be those big eyes you have.dlazz;1619058 wrote:I can see him.
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OSH
Oh, I agree...it's about what you do with your life while you are living that gets you a decent job. Good convo.Pick6;1619061 wrote:I think you are taking my points out of context/just not fully understanding my point because I agree with most of the things you say, but I've said all I need to say. It's ultimately up to the student, but I think there are external factors that give you an edge to landing a decent job out of school. Agree to disagree. -
Cat Food Flambe'
Shoot - my 800-person department within a major health insurance company slotted 35 new-graduate jobs for this summer - and we don't think we can fill all of them. Of course - you have to do math - if you majored in Medival Poetry or Communications, don't waste your time.
Seriously - pay is $51K a year adjusted for local cost of living, you'd have to work the first three years in an "up or out" environment in CT, TN, OH, or CO, after which you have the option to work from any office in the country, or at home anywhere in US ( I have one woman on my team who works in Maui ). -
Ytowngirlinfla
IT?Cat Food Flambe';1619077 wrote:Shoot - my 800-person department within a major health insurance company slotted 35 new-graduate jobs for this summer - and we don't think we can fill all of them. Of course - you have to do math - if you majored in Medival Poetry or Communications, don't waste your time.
Seriously - pay is $51K a year adjusted for local cost of living, you'd have to work the first three years in an "up or out" environment in CT, TN, OH, or CO, after which you have the option to work from any office in the country, or at home anywhere in US ( I have one woman on my team who works in Maui ). -
bigorangebuck22The good new for those with fancy degrees and no job...
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sleeper
Every kid's dream to have a high level position at Tempurpedic. Please tell me more about the success of your friends from your glorified community college.OSH;1619044 wrote:I hate cities. It's a terrible location for me. It's all based on personal experience and desire.
I had no clue that Muskingum didn't get any of their graduates hired anywhere because of its location. That does suck. I shoulda known. Maybe someone should tell John Glenn his degree sucks. I bet Darrell Hazell and Jim Heacock are worthless coaches because they played ball and received an education at Muskingum.
I'd also say that Akron is an average school compared to MANY other schools in the country...so, how is it any different than Muskingum? If students wait around on recruiters coming to their school, that's their fault.
College is what you make it. You wouldn't know my alma mater, but that doesn't stop my buddy from being in a high level position with Tempurpedic and one of his classmates from landing a job with a "Big 4" accounting firm right out of college. If students puts themselves in the right positions, surrounds themselves with the right people, and do the things necessary to get employed...it's highly likely they can get a job. Unfortunately, that job may not be where they want, when they want it, and making what they want...but then we are talking about unrealistic expectations.
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vball10setsleeper;1619178 wrote:
The boomer advice here is cute but they don't live in reality. Again, this isn't the 1970's.
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vball10setSportsAndLady;1618369 wrote:Lol, I have a degree from OU and I have a salary.
Hope this helps.
You work at 5/3, right? do people actually fall for this shit??
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SportsAndLady
I've moved out of the retail role, but I would imagine so. Back when I worked with customers, I'd see all types of scams and I could only SMH.vball10set;1619191 wrote:You work at 5/3, right? do people actually fall for this shit??
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I Wear Pantssleeper;1618290 wrote:Not surprised. Millennials are just so lazy and would rather play on their iPads in their parents basement rather than work.
So do you think millennials are lazy or not?sleeper;1618313 wrote:Well I don't need to comment on the religious stuff because I've written books on this forum talking about the absolute ignorance related to anything religious belief. The other stuff I'm not sure really drives the fact that college grads are unable to find work. I know a few intelligent college grabs, a few with masters even, that graduated in 2011-2014 that can't find any work other than mowing lawns, bartending, or retail associates. It's a joke and its strictly because we are just so lazy as a generation and we should be more like the Boomers and be given a strong economy.