No jobs for grads

• dlazz

  gport_tennis;1618844 wrote:I think Dawson is doing the video resumes...I think those are dumb as well. Some recruiters are really good, some are not, just have to find a couple that listen to what you are looking for and not just trying to fill the current opening. Did you ever follow up with the recruiting companies yourself to get feedback?

  Dawson was one of them. Robert Half was another. I went to another but I don't remember their name.
  
  No, I didn't ask for feedback. I was pretty annoyed when I walked away from them and couldn't be bothered to waste anymore of my time.
• QuakerOats

  ts1227;1618823 wrote:The rest of us aren't discussing the political bullshit because this isn't the politics forum and we deliberately avoid it because of shit like this
  
  Hope this helps

  
  Connecting policy to economic reality ............something everyone should do, or be able to do.
  
  And that, would help.
• dlazz

  QuakerOats;1618854 wrote:Connecting policy to economic reality ............something everyone should do, or be able to do.
  
  And that, would help.

  Pulling your head out from your ass would help too, seeing as how you completely missed the point he was trying to make.
• gport_tennis

  dlazz;1618851 wrote:Dawson was one of them. Robert Half was another. I went to another but I don't remember their name.
  
  No, I didn't ask for feedback. I was pretty annoyed when I walked away from them and couldn't be bothered to waste anymore of my time.

  What you consider a "waste of time" others would consider "looking for a better job." Sometimes the job a recruiter calls you about is not the right one, sometimes it is.
• dlazz

  gport_tennis;1618857 wrote:Sometimes the job a recruiter calls you about is not the right one, sometimes it is.

  'Sometimes' was 'always' in my case, so I am a non-believer in them.
  
  End of story.
• Gblock

  my girlfriend loves her job she works at nationwide, but about once a year or so she does interviews with other companies that were set up thru a cold call from a recruiter or a recruiter contacting her off linked in. she ended up staying at nationwide but one of the jobs would have been a significant raise.
• Heretic

  

  dlazz;1618856 wrote:Pulling your head out from your ass would help too, seeing as how you completely missed the point he was trying to make.

  If he pulled his head out his ass, he wouldn't be able to spew the utter bullshit that is his entire life.
• gport_tennis

  dlazz;1618858 wrote:'Sometimes' was 'always' in my case, so I am a non-believer in them.
  
  End of story.

  Your loss in the end
• dlazz

  gport_tennis;1618869 wrote:Your loss in the end

  I got a job without them, so no not really.
• gport_tennis

  dlazz;1618875 wrote:I got a job without them, so no not really.

  The average IT professional in Columbus Ohio changes jobs every 28 months . Do you think this will be the last new job you ever get in your life or do you think you will be on the job market sometime again in the future ? By making the conscious decision to never work with recruiters again you will be eliminating a very high percentage of the available jobs that you could be a fit for. And I am talking about real jobs that you are actually interested in today, not jobs you would have been interested in 5-10 years ago
• dlazz

  gport_tennis;1618883 wrote:The average IT professional in Columbus Ohio changes jobs every 28 months . Do you think this will be the last new job you ever get in your life or do you think you will be on the job market sometime again in the future ? By making the conscious decision to never work with recruiters again you will be eliminating a very high percentage of the available jobs that you could be a fit for. And I am talking about real jobs that you are actually interested in today, not jobs you would have been interested in 5-10 years ago

  I'm sending you a PM. Should clear it up for you.
• Gblock

  i used to think recruiters was some type of scam, until in the last few years a few friends have got some really good jobs using them. i thought they got paid off of your salary or something.
• dlazz

  Gblock;1618932 wrote:i used to think recruiters was some type of scam, until in the last few years a few friends have got some really good jobs using them. i thought they got paid off of your salary or something.

  I think they get a piece when you sign on, and maybe another if/when the contract ends and they hire you on.
• HitsRus

  

  The rest of us aren't discussing the political bullshit because this isn't the politics forum and we deliberately avoid it because of shit like this
  
  Hope this helps

  Point taken...political stuff should be on the politics board. But count me in with MB, and with quaker, in that this thread should be on the politics board because without looking at the root cause you really are only discussing how to get a job in a tough job market....which really doesn't address "No jobs for Grads".
• Gblock

  my buddy said that all his money comes from the company that wants to hire you. his goal is to get 4 people hired per month. if they stay 90 days he gets paid. any people that he gets hired over 4 he gets another bonus. He makes ok money i think 60-70000. But his income definietly flucuates according to how many people stay on the job. he may make 6000 in a month and then make 2000 the next
• gut

  Gblock;1618932 wrote:i used to think recruiters was some type of scam, until in the last few years a few friends have got some really good jobs using them. i thought they got paid off of your salary or something.

  A lot are. Most are probably guilty of posting "phantom" jobs in order to collect resumes (the other trick is to leave long expired postings up to attract candidates). And I do think a few websites are putting tremendous pressure on them, especially for middle-mgmt jobs. If you can, choose to work with retained, rather than contingent firms. Hybrids are ok, but pure contingent firms will try to front-run you on publicly posted jobs. That's probably still better than blindly sending a resume, but you'd rather get to those jobs yourself as those finder fees can sink you for senior staff/entry level mgmt jobs.
  
  There's also a trend toward temp/contract work, which is probably where a lot of staffing firms will ultimately find most of their business. Executive search, though, will probably remain pretty solid as a lot of that focuses on poaching top talent from other companies, in many cases not even actively looking.
  
  Man and Robert Half are good for low level staff jobs and [low-level] contract work, otherwise I wouldn't expect much from them. And obviously for temp jobs, they are going to tend to want to place overqualified people looking for work because they are confident you are easily capable of doing a good job.
• Gblock

  he said he spends..8+ hours on the phone, many of them cold calls. hes def an honest guy and has incentive for you to get the job and keep it so he can get paid. it changed my perspective on what i thought recruiters did.
• gut

  I'd network to get to the right recruiters just like you do for other jobs. Beyond low-level staffing jobs, what you really want is to connect with the top 2-3 placement firms in the area for your job function. That's assuming you're a top candidate, otherwise those firms will always have a better pool of candidates to select from to fill opportunities.
• QuakerOats

  HitsRus;1618938 wrote:Point taken...political stuff should be on the politics board. But count me in with MB, and with quaker, in that this thread should be on the politics board because without looking at the root cause you really are only discussing how to get a job in a tough job market....which really doesn't address "No jobs for Grads".

  
  Thank you. Obviously 'No Jobs for Grads' is Serious Business, which is the sub-title of the forum. I realize some would rather bury their head in the sand because debate may be uncomfortable for them, but reality should ultimately rule.
  
  Good luck to all graduates and job-seekers; I only wish your opportunities were greater.
• Firad

  

  SportsAndLady;1618369 wrote:Lol, I have a degree from OU and I have a salary.
  
  
  Hope this helps.

  
  

  sleeper;1618380 wrote:I'll believe it when I see it.

  I also have a degree from OU and a salary.
• OSH

  

  thavoice;1618361 wrote:Is it because many will only accept and strive for the top tier jobs with good pay instead of just trying to find A job and work their way up?
  
  Many a people back in the day would have some sort of job lined up after college whether it was in their field or not just to be employed and still search for the one in their field.

  There's a lot to be said about this statement in being true. A friend of mine said his 12-month internship while in undergrad (both will be finished in December) could lead into a $30-35,000 salaried position. He asked if it was a good thing and what I thought about it. Shoot, he's done more in his years as an undergrad than the majority of students I've come across have. I said, look around, none of your friends or classmates are probably in a position to even get an interview with anything. He'd be living at home and pocketing everything. Perfect chance for him because of what he's done.
  
  Not everyone comes out of school making $60,000 a year. Gotta start somewhere.
  

  Ytowngirlinfla;1618479 wrote:That's fine but the problem is people come out of college with a ton of debt, with a degree that isn't worth the paper it's printed on, then whine they can't find a job.

  I don't know exactly what you are getting at with the "degree" part (type of degree or school where degree came from), but I've stated before in discussions like these: I know that "psychology" degrees have all kinds of unemployment associated with them, but what's the numbers like? There are more people graduating with business, education, sports management, exercise science, and "valuable" degrees like that have all kinds of unemployment too. What exactly is considered "valuable" in a degree to you or anyone else who makes similar statements?
  
  Sure, psychology has high unemployment, but business majors have a hard time finding a job too. I would bet, numerically speaking, business majors outnumber psychology (or, any other "worthless" degree) majors in terms of unemployed.
  

  Pick6;1618504 wrote:But seriously, my opinion on what is important to landing a job out of college: networking is huge (as has been stated). What you chose to major in is extremely important. Akron just announced a cut in about 15 Art programs. Thank god. It wil save a ton of naive kids from going 50k in debt just to get a job flipping burgers out of college. There are too many essentially worthless degrees out there that people are told they should do because "you can be whatever you want to be". I also believe (to an extent), that the location of your school is just as important as the reputation of your school. You should choose a big school near a decent market because companies recruit locally for the most part (exceptions obviously). Real world example- I have met numerous John Carroll grads in my short professional career, but have not met a single Youngstown st, Wooster, mount union, muskingum grad, etc.

  There's a lot that's wrong with this...
  
  What major you choose? So, everyone should be picking their degrees based on what pays good? People should choose their degrees based on employment opportunities? People should only choose "valuable" degrees? If any one of these questions is the right one, then where is the variance in career opportunities? There's value in art degrees...maybe not to you, but to many there are.
  
  Why can't someone "be whatever they want to be?" We should be like Africa where the government dictates the direction of a person's career? That sounds excellent. Why can't people be what they want to be? Everyone can and should do what they want, if they choose...but they should know the expectations and opportunities. Some careers do require more work and/or "luck" to get into, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with chasing the "dream."
  
  Reputation of the school...doesn't [really] matter unless you are going to Harvard, Yale, or some other extremely prestigious school. And, even then, if you did NOTHING during your college career, it probably still won't help you. I coached a player in HS who ended up at St. Andrews in Scotland. He was unemployed after graduation because he spent the summers just working youth camps at Duke instead of pursuing his career field. He is employed now thanks to his brother at Tempurpedic. He is a genius of a kid when it comes to the books, but he did nothing to help his career outside of getting a prestigious degree (actually a double while he was there).
  
  It's easy to do a simple Google search to find out all the studies that show that WHERE you got a degree doesn't really mean much (here's a recent one). We don't even need a recent one, here's 2004. If the school actually mattered, why would anyone go anywhere else? Why do other schools exist? Why don't all the major schools buy up all the lousy schools? Who exactly is a "good" school? What qualifies a "good" school?
  
  
  
  There are just as many "important" people out there who graduated from lesser known schools as have graduated from known schools -- or that haven't graduated from either. Either way, I wrote about this stuff in my blog about 10 days ago as semesters were wrapping up around the country. I'm just tired of hearing the same stuff. It's not about the lack of jobs, it's not about the degree, it's about the 4 years (or more) of what one does to make oneself more marketable/hireable to the potential employer. As athletic recruiting starts earlier and earlier, being prepared for careers and resumes should start earlier and earlier too.
• Automatik

  

  Well he Pick6 did say in his first sentence..."my opinion"
• OSH

  

  Automatik;1618991 wrote:Well he Pick6 did say in his first sentence..."my opinion"

  I saw. Doesn't mean opinions cannot be wrong or uninformed.
• HitsRus

  

  I'm just tired of hearing the same stuff. It's not about the lack of jobs, it's not about the degree, it's about the 4 years (or more) of what one does to make oneself more marketable/hireable to the potential employer. As athletic recruiting starts earlier and earlier, being prepared for careers and resumes should start earlier and earlier too.

  
  agree with the second part of this, but not the first. It is precisely because of the lack of jobs, that the second part is true. You are not going to fall into anything...you have to work and market yourself.
• OSH

  

  HitsRus;1619000 wrote:agree with the second part of this, but not the first. It is precisely because of the lack of jobs, that the second part is true. You are not going to fall into anything...you have to work and market yourself.

  Jobs are available. Maybe there is a lack of jobs in certain areas, careers, etc., but that doesn't mean there aren't jobs. I hear all the time of educators not being able to find jobs...2 months ago I looked in a Houston-area district that had 150+ jobs open, and I didn't even do much searching for it. My wife is an educator and has known of jobs all over (or applied several places).
  
  If there aren't jobs open, then people didn't do their homework in what they wanted to do, where they wanted to go, and how they should prepare for that career. If someone with a business degree is going to limit themselves to Lima, Ohio...then that's their fault they cannot get a job. If someone with an education degree is wanting to stay in Carrollton, Ohio, then it is their fault if they cannot get a job. There's jobs open everywhere. They may not be in the career field, or what one "thought" they'd be doing, but there are jobs open.
  
  As some have said, people expect to be in their "dream job" right away. That doesn't really happen right away. But getting a job at McDonald's could lead to a dream job. It happens all the time. One doesn't always know where they could end up if they take a position that is less desirable, not where they want to be, or make as much as they want to be.