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fish82
I'll ask again to please quote me where I've done that.Raw Dawgin' it;1151538 wrote:derrr it means you do the same thing, hence why i bolded and laughed at your comment. Thanks for admitting you're completely closed minded to what anyone with views that aren't religious think -
sleeper
Never? LOLOSH;1151508 wrote:Religion phased out? Why? Just because people seek a higher power? There are so many unexplained occurrences, we'll never be able to figure them out...and neither will science.
What a regressive lifestyle you live. Don't go to the hospital ever. We wouldn't have modern medicine without science trying to figure things out. You can stick with your prayers though, that shit works. :rolleyes: -
fish82
Wow. You really aren't very good at this.Raw Dawgin' it;1151539 wrote:god made the choice for you because you choose to follow him. maybe if you didn't follow someone with a set plan you could have free will -
pmoney25
Do you consider yourself a moral person? do you treat people well? if so , what is the difference between us? Im just confused on if we are both moral beings, why am I a follower and you are better?Raw Dawgin' it;1151530 wrote:Following means you don't make your own decisions, you follow ones already made - you chose to follow god, jesus, whoever and they're leading you, which means you don't choose anything you do, because you're a follower. -
sleeper
:rolleyes:pmoney25;1151518 wrote:I am not mad that you degrade religion, I feel sorry for you, for you really add nothing to the discussion. You have read the cliff notes of a few Dawkins books and portray yourself as intelligent. Well most people can see through that.
Graduated from Ohio State Summa Cum Laude. I've probably read more books in one weekend than you have in your entire life. I'd rather not spend effort trying to convince believers with rationality, they don't play by the same rules. Why is that? Because rationality and religion do not mix; its not worth the effort. -
Con_Alma
That's not true. Those "rules" are broken every day by everyone. They can't be kept. We are born into sin. It's not following the rules that gets you "rewarded". The belief in Christ is what get's you the reward. When you believe in Christ you want to strive towards following those "rules".sleeper;1151388 wrote:God mostly certainly controls your life. Go lie to your parents, can't. Talk about another god, can't. You have rules to follow by, rules in which you don't follow you will not get rewarded.
It also means when something bad happens, you have a blanket of comfort that it was part of God's plan, so God knows what he is doing. It's a way to cope with life's ups and downs. It's akin to telling your kids cancer is Captain Hook inside you and Peter Pan will come rescue you! It's a lie, but it will give your kid a delusional view to help them cope.
Go ahead and ruin the intellectual integrity of your own kin, but keep it out of the government and keep it out of my life.
Nothing can rescue you from the bad things in life here nor do I want rescued from them. Bad things are going to happen and expect them to. I am not seeking comfort from them. Comfort doesn't come from ridding life from the worlds ills. It won't happen.
I can't put religion in your life. No one can but you. -
sleeper
I think that's one of the best things to ask believers. If God is where you want to be, just kill yourself. It would certainly help those who want to live their lives to the fullest and focus on rationality for a better human kind than have believers and their regressive beliefs drag everything down.Raw Dawgin' it;1151545 wrote:then go die and live with him for eternity. -
Con_Alma
I will, eventually. Our time here is but a blip on the radar screen.Raw Dawgin' it;1151545 wrote:then go die and live with him for eternity. -
Con_Alma
Killing oneself would be disrespectful to the creation of life He gave us. No thanks.sleeper;1151554 wrote:I think that's one of the best things to ask believers. If God is where you want to be, just kill yourself. It would certainly help those who want to live their lives to the fullest and focus on rationality for a better human kind than have believers and their regressive beliefs drag everything down. -
enigmaax
...and if you don't do it His way, you won't get what you want (to be in his presence forever). Therefore, you "decided" because he told you what to "decide" and he held your eternity over your head to encourage you.Con_Alma;1151541 wrote:I agree completely. I wouldn't decide based on what if I don't. I decided based on my belief that He is the Messiah and because He is I want to be in his presence forever. -
Raw Dawgin' it
Link where i said this?pmoney25;1151551 wrote:Do you consider yourself a moral person? do you treat people well? if so , what is the difference between us? Im just confused on if we are both moral beings, why am I a follower and you are better?
the difference is i don't live my life knowing it's set in stone - you can follow gods plan so you can live in heaven when you die.
Now lets hear your comment on how it's not set in stone even though you follow god and his plan - "God can change his plan though!!!" lol -
sleeper
First of all, there is no evidence that we are born into sin, nor is there any evidence that sin even exists. The Bible is not proof of anything. Therefore, before reading the rest of your statements, you have already violated the basic considerations of a debate.Con_Alma;1151553 wrote:That's not true. Those "rules" are broken every day by everyone. They can't be kept. We are born into sin. It's not following the rules that gets you "rewarded". The belief in Christ is what get's you the reward. When you believe in Christ you want to strive towards following those "rules".
Nothing can rescue you from the bad things in life here nor do I want rescued from them. Bad things are going to happen and expect them to. I am not seeking comfort from them. Comfort doesn't come from ridding life from the worlds ills. It won't happen.
I can't put religion in your life. No one can but you.
Bad things are going to happen because bad things happen. God certainly does not intervene, you get comfort from the fact that its part of his plan, and his plan is for you to live eternally with him in heaven. It's a cult guys. It's a fairy tale designed for adults to smooth over the ups and downs of life, to keep control and influence to a select few(the pope, your priest, etc.) and to earn money by providing a fraudulent church service every week. This is no different than Scientology, just more established.
I will never put religion in my life unless evidence, highly correlated evidence, outweighs the current status of not knowing. That will never happen, so I will never have religion in my life. -
pmoney25
Its not just religion, you do the same thing in political forum. Although we both are for Ron Paul so you arent completely out of it. Ive just yet to see you do anything other than be vague or use insults. Maybe you just are a character on a message board and thats cool.sleeper;1151552 wrote::rolleyes:
Graduated from Ohio State Summa Cum Laude. I've probably read more books in one weekend than you have in your entire life. I'd rather not spend effort trying to convince believers with rationality, they don't play by the same rules. Why is that? Because rationality and religion do not mix; its not worth the effort. -
sleeper
How so? If you believe, and your thoughts tell you to kill yourself, wouldn't that be a part of God's plan?Con_Alma;1151556 wrote:Killing oneself would be disrespectful to the creation of life He gave us. No thanks.
Only in religion would believers condone suicide. -
Con_Alma
What do you mean by do it His way? You can do it anyway you choose.enigmaax;1151558 wrote:...and if you don't do it His way, you won't get what you want (to be in his presence forever). Therefore, you "decided" because he told you what to "decide" and he held your eternity over your head to encourage you.
Just like everything there are consequences to decisions. If you want to be with Him, you acknowledge Christ as the Messiah. If you don't want to be with Him, don't acknowledge Christ. -
Con_Alma
I have never seen that as part of God's plan anywhere. Have you?sleeper;1151561 wrote:How so? If you believe, and your thoughts tell you to kill yourself, wouldn't that be a part of God's plan?
Only in religion would believers condone suicide. -
sleeper
Sorry but no. The thing I do is decide if the effort expended is going to have the effect that I want. Since the answer is usually no, I resort to low effort high reward comments. Typically insults work, not on a micro level, but in the aggregate I find them more effective.pmoney25;1151562 wrote:Its not just religion, you do the same thing in political forum. Although we both are for Ron Paul so you arent completely out of it. Ive just yet to see you do anything other than be vague or use insults. Maybe you just are a character on a message board and thats cool. -
sleeper
No, have you?Con_Alma;1151564 wrote:I have never seen that as part of God's plan anywhere. Have you? -
Raw Dawgin' it
no one knows "gods" plan - you find out along the way has he makes decisions for you.Con_Alma;1151564 wrote:I have never seen that as part of God's plan anywhere. Have you? -
pmoney25
I was a moral person when I was an atheist. And I dont believe in a "plan". Your assumption I only act this way because im told to.Raw Dawgin' it;1151559 wrote:Link where i said this?
the difference is i don't live my life knowing it's set in stone - you can follow gods plan so you can live in heaven when you die.
Now lets hear your comment on how it's not set in stone even though you follow god and his plan - "God can change his plan though!!!" lol -
Raw Dawgin' it
Can't choose - there's a plan, anything you do is part of it. You think you're choosing, you're not, you're following the plan.Con_Alma;1151563 wrote:What do you mean by do it His way? You can do it anyway you choose.
Just like everything there are consequences to decisions. If you want to be with Him, you acknowledge Christ as the Messiah. If you don't want to be with Him, don't acknowledge Christ. -
Con_Alma
Sin is the thoughts and actions that separate you from God. You nor I have no ability to avoid it.sleeper;1151560 wrote:First of all, there is no evidence that we are born into sin, nor is there any evidence that sin even exists. The Bible is not proof of anything. Therefore, before reading the rest of your statements, you have already violated the basic considerations of a debate.
Bad things are going to happen because bad things happen. God certainly does not intervene, you get comfort from the fact that its part of his plan, and his plan is for you to live eternally with him in heaven. It's a cult guys. It's a fairy tale designed for adults to smooth over the ups and downs of life, to keep control and influence to a select few(the pope, your priest, etc.) and to earn money by providing a fraudulent church service every week. This is no different than Scientology, just more established.
I will never put religion in my life unless evidence, highly correlated evidence, outweighs the current status of not knowing. That will never happen, so I will never have religion in my life.
Since you will never have religion in your life you don''t have to worry about me putting in your life. IMy comment was a response to your request fro me to keep it out of your life. I have nothing to do with it. -
Con_Alma
Not only can I choose but I am not aware of this plan you speak of.Raw Dawgin' it;1151571 wrote:Can't choose - there's a plan, anything you do is part of it. You think you're choosing, you're not, you're following the plan. -
Raw Dawgin' it
If you believe god has a plan for you then you're acting out his plan. Simple as that - follow and serve - be another cog in the machine and don't make choices for yourself - blindly follow this plan no matter what happens.pmoney25;1151570 wrote:I was a moral person when I was an atheist. And I dont believe in a "plan". Your assumption I only act this way because im told to. -
Con_Alma
I disagree. If you don't want eternal life with Him, you won't' have it.Raw Dawgin' it;1151569 wrote:no one knows "gods" plan - you find out along the way has he makes decisions for you.