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sleeper
What evidence could you teach kids? There is none.Skyhook79;1151118 wrote:Proof? -
DeyDurkie5
Yeah, except that's not what you quoted in the one I replied too. You just quoted that he stated kids don't understand at that age what religion they belong too. Failhook strikes again!Skyhook79;1151105 wrote:Pretty obvious isn't? They don't want you teaching your own kids about creation,God or the Bible. -
Skyhook79
Skyhook79;1151054 wrote:Talk about a crock of crap. Now Dawkins and you are going to tell Parents how to raise their own children? Thats laughable and Religion is a cult?
Where do you see that in the quoted part?DeyDurkie5;1151120 wrote:Yeah, except that's not what you quoted in the one I replied too. You just quoted that he stated kids don't understand at that age what religion they belong too. Failhook strikes again! -
dwccrew
Pretty much my feelings on the subject. Repspmoney25;1150983 wrote:Im sorry I said I wouldnt reply but I cant resist. I do actually enjoy how hard you try to have a clue.
I live my life the same exact way I do now that I did when I was atheist. My morals didnt change, my belief in science never changed, I still have challenges with faith and search for answers. I dont believe God will make me rich if I pray or would cure a disease if I pray. I dont believe faith should be pushed on people or even involved in govt.
Your assumption is my faith holds me back when in eyes it pushes me forward to find more answers. I will concede that people do just accept because they are told or because they are afraid and that is unfortunate.
Skyhook79;1151031 wrote:Why can't both creation and evolution be taught and let parents decide which one their children hear?
I always wonder why can't God and evolution exist together? Some people, not all, think it is either one or the other. -
sleeper
Because god created man and woman and all the animals. Evolution typically involves the all beings coming from a common ancestor, which isn't what the bible says.dwccrew;1151214 wrote:
I always wonder why can't God and evolution exist together? Some people, not all, think it is either one or the other. -
tcarrier32
moving away from Christianity and monotheism really helps ones chances of finding logically sound positions to take up camp. we can say without a doubt that the bible was written by man, and really has no modern use than for that of historical significance. however, we cannot say that god does not exist, in one of the literally infinite ways a 'god' could be conceived.sleeper;1151239 wrote:Because god created man and woman and all the animals. Evolution typically involves the all beings coming from a common ancestor, which isn't what the bible says.
the successful arguments that i have seen put forth by academic theists posit that "god" interacted with our universe at one of three points.
1) God puts the Big Bang/Big Crunch/Membrane collision into action that leads to the expansion of our universe.
2) God enables organic life to form from non-organic materials (and thus, starting evolution. not exactly "creating every animal")
3) God infuses the soul into humanity.
these arguments are successful, because these are areas of science in which we cannot currently posit a comprehensive theory which will hold up to physical experimentation (mostly still in the sphere of the theoretical physicist/astronomer/philosopher)
i do not foresee any of these issues, yet unresolved, to require a supernatural explanation. as usual, these God of Gaps are intellectual place-holders for future discovery.
so far this thread has basically gone nowhere, although the discussion has been fun. in all seriousness, theists and atheists alike should check out the book by athiest philosopher Daniel Dennet and world renowned catholic philsopher Alvin Plantiga titled Science and Religion. It covers everything that we have tried to debate here, and more, in a much more cogent and thought out way. -
sleeper
I don't accept that just because science hasn't come up with an answer yet that it gives extra credibility to a god interacting. Although, like you said, that's getting away from monotheism and religion, which is pure BS.
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tcarrier32
it doesn't so much give them more credibility, as much as it allows them a grey area in which they can work, but for the current time not be outright proven wrong.sleeper;1151276 wrote:I don't accept that just because science hasn't come up with an answer yet that it gives extra credibility to a god interacting. Although, like you said, that's getting away from monotheism and religion, which is pure BS.
what i'm trying to say is that those whom they were debating couldn't counter their arguments with peer-reviewed and widely accepted theories. I think string and m-theory are the thing of the future, but i will not argue that it has any more clout currently within the community then an unknown and supernatural force jump starting the expansion of time and space. -
dwccrew
But the Bible does say all beings come from a common ancestor, does it not? Adam and Eve and/or Noah. I believe those are just stories, however, the Bible does state that all humans come from a common ancestor, unless I am not understanding your post the right way, both theories say the same thing just a different belief on how they come from the common ancestor.sleeper;1151239 wrote:Because god created man and woman and all the animals. Evolution typically involves the all beings coming from a common ancestor, which isn't what the bible says. -
Con_Alma
The eternal life with God doesn't come from our behavior but rather our behavior is a result to the choice of having an afterlife with God.sleeper;1150953 wrote:Not jumping to any conclusions, unless they are valid. It's an adult fairy tale designed to provide the weak a sense of control in their life and an award after they die if they behave themselves. Time to grow up. -
Con_Alma
???sleeper;1150949 wrote:I find it hilarious that you pride yourself on living your life for faith, but can't explain why other than reasons defined within the faith. Call it what it is, you were indoctrinated by your parents and if you weren't you had a mid-life crises where you became weak and turned to god. You needed someone to be in control of your life, someone that would make things okay in the end. It's pathetic and I will ridicule believers until the day I die.
What? Te last thing I want is something to control my life. I make things ok in the end and I do that by choosing to accept Christ. Someone or something else doesn't control my life.
This decisions doesn't come from weakness but desire. -
Con_Alma
The Peace is quite comforting but that not the desirable and "moving" motivation towards Christ. It's just one of the results.sleeper;1150857 wrote:Because I'd hate to see an intelligent mind ruined by the comforts of a cult like religion. Seems you've taken the steps off the deep end, sadly I cannot pray for you because that would be a waste of time.
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Raw Dawgin' it
This is called a contradiction.Con_Alma;1151296 wrote:???
What? Te last thing I want is something to control my life. I make things ok in the end and I do that by choosing to accept Christ. Someone or something else doesn't control my life.
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fish82
How so?Raw Dawgin' it;1151328 wrote:This is called a contradiction. -
Raw Dawgin' it
I take that as - i make my own decisions and i decide to accept christ. Saying you accept him is to let him influence how you make decisions. You can't accept a religion then not live by and make decisions based on that religion or teachings - religion in that sense is controlling your life.fish82;1151341 wrote:How so? -
Skyhook79
Raw Dawgin' it;1151351 wrote:I take that as - i make my own decisions and i decide to accept christ. Saying you accept him is to let him influence how you make decisions. You can't accept a religion then not live by and make decisions based on that religion or teachings - religion in that sense is controlling your life.[/QUOTE]
Accepting Christ is not accepting a religion. To me Christianity is not a religion but a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. -
Raw Dawgin' it
Skyhook79;1151356 wrote:
cool story bro - we know it controls your life.Raw Dawgin' it;1151351 wrote:I take that as - i make my own decisions and i decide to accept christ. Saying you accept him is to let him influence how you make decisions. You can't accept a religion then not live by and make decisions based on that religion or teachings - religion in that sense is controlling your life.[/QUOTE]
Accepting Christ is not accepting a religion. To me Christianity is not a religion but a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. -
Skyhook79
Raw Dawgin' it;1151357 wrote:
Define controls your life.Skyhook79;1151356 wrote:
cool story bro - we know it controls your life. -
Raw Dawgin' it
Skyhook79;1151358 wrote:
lol is your new act trying to be con_alma?Raw Dawgin' it;1151357 wrote:
Define controls your life. -
Skyhook79
Raw Dawgin' it;1151360 wrote:
It's a pretty simple question.Skyhook79;1151358 wrote:
lol is your new act trying to be con_alma? -
Raw Dawgin' it
Skyhook79;1151362 wrote:
my first statement answered it and i think you're old enough to know what control means.Raw Dawgin' it;1151360 wrote:
It's a pretty simple question. -
sleeper
Yes you can. You still have to show how God was created.tcarrier32;1151280 wrote:it doesn't so much give them more credibility, as much as it allows them a grey area in which they can work, but for the current time not be outright proven wrong.
what i'm trying to say is that those whom they were debating couldn't counter their arguments with peer-reviewed and widely accepted theories. I think string and m-theory are the thing of the future, but i will not argue that it has any more clout currently within the community then an unknown and supernatural force jump starting the expansion of time and space.
String theory is just a theory. No one is living their lives based on that theory being correct, so its not just a theory for believers, they believe it is correct. It's a cult, yada yada yada. -
sleeper
God created all creepy things that crawleth etc. He does talk about creating animals. Same with Noah. It wasn't just Noah on the Ark, it was him and 60 million animals, which is totally factually according to jmog. Which is hilarious.dwccrew;1151285 wrote:But the Bible does say all beings come from a common ancestor, does it not? Adam and Eve and/or Noah. I believe those are just stories, however, the Bible does state that all humans come from a common ancestor, unless I am not understanding your post the right way, both theories say the same thing just a different belief on how they come from the common ancestor. -
sleeper
Right. Ruin your life for a chance at eternal life, which has never been proven. "Believe in me, do what I say, then I will reward you". Your God is an ass.Con_Alma;1151295 wrote:The eternal life with God doesn't come from our behavior but rather our behavior is a result to the choice of having an afterlife with God. -
fish82
LOL...I'd hate to see you tear a rotator cuff with a reach like that, bro. :rolleyes:Raw Dawgin' it;1151351 wrote:I take that as - i make my own decisions and i decide to accept christ. Saying you accept him is to let him influence how you make decisions. You can't accept a religion then not live by and make decisions based on that religion or teachings - religion in that sense is controlling your life.