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  • enigmaax
    Con_Alma;1150769 wrote:I don't think we are pawns... either way you have eternal life. One way you are in the presence of God. The other you are not.
    If your father on earth said to you, "Son, you can make whatever choices you want in life. If you choose the way I tell you to choose, then I'll do (insert reward). If you choose to do anything other than what I say, I'm throwing you in the basement and torturing you.....FOREVER!!!!", would you: a) feel like you really have a choice? and b) feel like your father is a bit of a nut job?
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1150799 wrote:So when you make a big decision like modifying the very core of your existence, you don't need to justify that said decision is correct and accurate?

    I don't know if I believe that; you don't seem to be illogical.
    Justify it to whom? You? Lol. Oh my gosh, no.

    You don't have too believe me. It's not your belief I am seeking.
  • Con_Alma
    enigmaax;1150801 wrote:If your father on earth said to you, "Son, you can make whatever choices you want in life. If you choose the way I tell you to choose, then I'll do (insert reward). If you choose to do anything other than what I say, I'm throwing you in the basement and torturing you.....FOREVER!!!!", would you: a) feel like you really have a choice? and b) feel like your father is a bit of a nut job?
    Of course it's still a choice. Look at all of those who choose to not be with Him.

    You must understand that the torture you speak of is simply being without Him eternally. Once a soul realizes the bliss of being in His presence it would be tortuous to be anywhere else.
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1150802 wrote:Justify it to whom? You? Lol. Oh my gosh, no.

    You don't have too believe me. It's not your belief I am seeking.
    No, justifying it to yourself. If you didn't grow up with faith(read: childhood indoctrination), then something had to move you from non-belief to belief. You seem to be dodging this question repeatedly. I'm curious why.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1150806 wrote:No, justifying it to yourself. If you didn't grow up with faith(read: childhood indoctrination), then something had to move you from non-belief to belief. You seem to be dodging this question repeatedly. I'm curious why.
    I haven't dodged it. In fact, I have answered it multiple times. I like your words, "move you". They describe well the direction towards CHrist that happens.

    Once I experienced presence of the Holy Spirit combined with the reading of Scripture and prayer, the desire to justify the Gospel of Christ simply needs no recognition from me.
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1150808 wrote:I haven't dodged it. In fact, I have answered it multiple times. I like your words, "move you". They describe well the direction towards CHrist that happens.

    Once I experienced presence of the Holy Spirit combined with the reading of Scripture and prayer, the desire to justify the Gospel of Christ simply needs no recognition from me.
    This isn't the answer I am seeking. It's a dodge. Did you just wake up one day, and start reading the Bible? Why did you pick the Bible and not the Quran? How do you know you are "right", especially given that your personal justification uses the tools designed to make you internally justify the belief. It's a little self-fulfilling don't you think?

    Something happened; something you seem unwilling to expose on the internet despite being anonymous.
  • enigmaax
    Con_Alma;1150808 wrote:I haven't dodged it. In fact, I have answered it multiple times. I like your words, "move you". They describe well the direction towards CHrist that happens.

    Once I experienced presence of the Holy Spirit combined with the reading of Scripture and prayer, the desire to justify the Gospel of Christ simply needs no recognition from me.
    Do you feel like David Koresh got a raw deal, considering he was a prophet and all?
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1150811 wrote:This isn't the answer I am seeking. It's a dodge. Did you just wake up one day, and start reading the Bible? Why did you pick the Bible and not the Quran? How do you know you are "right", especially given that your personal justification uses the tools designed to make you internally justify the belief. It's a little self-fulfilling don't you think?

    Something happened; something you seem unwilling to expose on the internet despite being anonymous.
    I don't answer based on what you are seeking. Lol. I answer based on what I want to share. I don't post for your benefit.

    Yes, one day while traveling I was thinking about many things including the depth of life. While in a gift shop in the airport at LAX I purchased a Bible and read it.

    The reason I am confident in my understanding is because of the presence of the Holy Spirit. When looking for God you find Him if you are open to him. From there, much prayer and further exploration or my growing relationship with His Son becomes a desire and I continue acting on it.
  • Con_Alma
    enigmaax;1150818 wrote:Do you feel like David Koresh got a raw deal, considering he was a prophet and all?
    What do you mean by "raw deal"? as in his place eternally?
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1150819 wrote:I don't answer based on what you are seeking. Lol. I answer based on what I want to share. I don't post for your benefit.

    Yes, one day while traveling I was thinking about many things including the depth of life. While in a gift shop in the airport at LAX I purchased a Bible and read it.

    The reason I am confident in my understanding is because of the presence of the Holy Spirit. When looking for God you find Him if you are open to him. From there, much prayer and further exploration or my growing relationship with His Son becomes a desire and I continue acting on it.
    Mid-life crisis.

    Thank you for sharing.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1150821 wrote:Mid-life crisis.

    Thank you for sharing.
    I see your logic! Lol. I kid.

    A crisis? Hardly. I had just landed a sales deal.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1150811 wrote:... It's a little self-fulfilling don't you think?

    ...
    I sure hope it's self-fulfilling!
  • rmolin73
    sleeper;1150789 wrote:You do realize that by claiming a statement as fact, without providing said evidence, that you are committing fraud in the court of logic and reason?

    Just so we are on the same page.
    We need a copy of your OSU degree as well as a copy of your name on the McDonalds franchise?
  • enigmaax
    Con_Alma;1150820 wrote:What do you mean by "raw deal"? as in his place eternally?
    I assume you feel that his eternal place is fine since he lived a holy life. The whole raid, burning down his complex, and murdering him thing. I mean, was he the most persecuted holy man since Jesus?
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper wrote:...Just so we are on the same page.


    Why in the world would he think we are working to be on the same page? We are not just on different pages. We are in different books.
  • Con_Alma
    enigmaax;1150827 wrote:I assume you feel that his eternal place is fine since he lived a holy life. The whole raid, burning down his complex, and murdering him thing. I mean, was he the most persecuted holy man since Jesus?
    Living a Holy life isn't what determines eternal presence with God. The acceptance of Jesus Christ as the Messiah does.

    I don't know if he was a Holy man at all. If he was, the proclamation of the God and Christ is told to be met with hardship on earth. It's not to be surprised by but expected. I guess I don't see that as a raw deal but one that was predicted...if indeed he was what you say he was.
  • sleeper
    rmolin73;1150826 wrote:We need a copy of your OSU degree as well as a copy of your name on the McDonalds franchise?
    If we ever meet, I will show them both to you. Although I don't have my name on a McDonald's franchise, but I can show you a certificate of ownership as well as a contract outlining the terms of the agreement.
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1150823 wrote:I see your logic! Lol. I kid.

    A crisis? Hardly. I had just landed a sales deal.
    Exactly. A crises.
  • Con_Alma
    I accepted it as successful trip. I don't know how it could have been a crises.
  • enigmaax
    Con_Alma;1150832 wrote:Living a Holy life isn't what determines eternal presence with God. The acceptance of Jesus Christ as the Messiah does.

    I don't know if he was a Holy man at all. If he was, the proclamation of the God and Christ is told to be met with hardship on earth. It's not to be surprised by but expected. I guess I don't see that as a raw deal but one that was predicted...if indeed he was what you say he was.
    Could he have been another son of God? Was God really telling him to do the things he was doing and to write the things he wrote? In general, could the Bible ever have additional books added?
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1150838 wrote:I accepted it as successful trip. I don't know how it could have been a crises.
    The only sales deal you could have possibly landed at the time was selling your soul to an unproven lifestyle.

    Like I said, I sure hope you picked the right bet.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1150840 wrote:The only sales deal you could have possibly landed at the time was selling your soul to an unproven lifestyle.

    Like I said, I sure hope you picked the right bet.
    Why wouldn't a sales deal have been possible? At the time it was with MetroFiber.

    Why do you hope I chose correctly? My fate shouldn't be any difference to you at all.
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    enigmaax;1150839 wrote:In general, could the Bible ever have additional books added?
    Considering it had certain books/gospels removed, I don't see why others couldn't be added.
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1150845 wrote:Why wouldn't a sales deal have been possible? At the time it was with MetroFiber.

    Why do you hope I chose correctly? My fate shouldn't be any difference to you at all.
    It doesn't matter to me as long as you can your beliefs to your own life and no one else.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1150851 wrote:It doesn't matter to me as long as you can your beliefs to your own life and no one else.
    Then why state you hope I chose correctly?

    I don't state my beliefs anymore than you do your's on here. Seems pretty even to me. If it's me sharing my opinion on the subject when it arises then I guess you are right in that it does matter to you.