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  • sleeper
    fish82;1151771 wrote:If Xenu was the basis (hence, "faith based") for the "religion," then you'd have a point. He/She isn't, so you don't. It sounds like you're equating Xenu with a god/jesus figure, which would be patently incorrect.

    And who said I read 100 books in a weekend? Talk about flinging ****




    I've read about 400 or so books. I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt. :cool:
    Coloring books don't count.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

    Scientology's God is most definitely a faith based idea, since it has never been proven and never will. Only a theist would defend Scientology because they know it reflects poorly on their own beliefs if Scientology is ousted as being the fraud it is.
  • FatHobbit
    sleeper;1151759 wrote:What beliefs are those?
    God does not exist.
  • sleeper
    FatHobbit;1151775 wrote:God does not exist.
    Oh. Sorry, but if you read this thread, you'd realize that the answer to this question for me is "I don't know", which is the only defensible position on this topic. I think its highly unlikely, sure, but that doesn't mean I can definitely say he doesn't exist.

    This thread is about religion though, which, if you have read this thread, has been proven to be fraudulent in all forms.
  • fish82
    sleeper;1151772 wrote:Coloring books don't count.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

    Scientology's God is most definitely a faith based idea, since it has never been proven and never will. Only a theist would defend Scientology because they know it reflects poorly on their own beliefs if Scientology is ousted as being the fraud it is.
    1. Xenu isn't their "God." The fact that you're still humping that idea just further illustrates how misinformed you are.

    B. Label me whatever you want. You'd be surprised to find that we probably agree more than disagree on this in the scheme of things. I just find your intellectual laziness annoying.
  • sleeper
    fish82;1151790 wrote:1. Xenu isn't their "God." The fact that you're still humping that idea just further illustrates how misinformed you are.

    B. Label me whatever you want. You'd be surprised to find that we probably agree more than disagree on this in the scheme of things. I just find your intellectual laziness annoying.
    My apologies for not intricately studying every detail of every religion. I liken it to not needing to know all the intricate details of Harry Potter to know its all made up.

    Also, QQ. Don't mistake being lazy with not possessing the knowledge necessary to ravage any theistic argument. It's a matter of effort applied vs. desired outcome. Currently, its much easier to resort to "lazy" tactics for the highest outcome per level of effort.

    Remember, #sleeperwins.
  • fish82
    sleeper;1151800 wrote:My apologies for not intricately studying every detail of every religion. I liken it to not needing to know all the intricate details of Harry Potter to know its all made up.

    Also, QQ. Don't mistake being lazy with not possessing the knowledge necessary to ravage any theistic argument. It's a matter of effort applied vs. desired outcome. Currently, its much easier to resort to "lazy" tactics for the highest outcome per level of effort.

    Remember, #sleeperwins.
    Yeah, your propensity to randomly declare victory with your hipster hashtag isn't the least bit silly either. Carry on.
  • FatHobbit
    fish82;1151816 wrote:Yeah, your propensity to randomly declare victory with your hipster hashtag isn't the least bit silly either. Carry on.
    Sleeper wins when people respond to him.
  • Skyhook79
    sleeper;1151782 wrote:Oh. Sorry, but if you read this thread, you'd realize that the answer to this question for me is "I don't know", which is the only defensible position on this topic. I think its highly unlikely, sure, but that doesn't mean I can definitely say he doesn't exist.

    This thread is about religion though, which, if you have read this thread, has been proven to be fraudulent in all forms.
    1.Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." John 20:29
    2. This has never been about religion for me and many others, you have tried to make it about religion and it is the reason why you are failing at it.
  • sleeper
    fish82;1151816 wrote:Yeah, your propensity to randomly declare victory with your hipster hashtag isn't the least bit silly either. Carry on.
    Someone is jealous that they are unable to declare victory at any given moment. ;)
  • sleeper
    Skyhook79;1151827 wrote:1.Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." John 20:29
    2. This has never been about religion for me and many others, you have tried to make it about religion and it is the reason why you are failing at it.
    #cult
  • fish82
    sleeper;1151832 wrote:Someone is jealous that they are unable to declare victory at any given moment. ;)
    No, someone is secure enough not to feel the need. ;)
  • sleeper
    fish82;1151836 wrote:No, someone is secure enough not to feel the need. ;)
    Says the person who needs God to avoid facing the realities of life. Must be nice having that mythical all powerful friend who has a plan for you and loves you no matter what, except if you break one of his rules, you'll go to a place of fire for eternity.

    Sounds awesome! Where do I sign up? LOL
  • Skyhook79
    sleeper;1151847 wrote:Says the person who needs God to avoid facing the realities of life. Must be nice having that mythical all powerful friend who has a plan for you and loves you no matter what, except if you break one of his rules, you'll go to a place of fire for eternity.

    Sounds awesome! Where do I sign up? LOL
    False statement but that has never stopped you before.
  • sleeper
    Skyhook79;1151853 wrote:False statement but that has never stopped you before.
    Oh right, if you donate $10,000 to the church, you'll get a sin forgiven. :rolleyes:
  • enigmaax
    Skyhook79;1151853 wrote:False statement but that has never stopped you before.
    I want to be sure I understand correctly. So long as you acknowledge Jesus as the savior at some point in your life, you are going to heaven? Regardless of what you've done your entire life, if you spend your last minute saying, "Jesus please come into my heart," you punched your ticket?
  • sleeper
    enigmaax;1151865 wrote:I want to be sure I understand correctly. So long as you acknowledge Jesus as the savior at some point in your life, you are going to heaven? Regardless of what you've done your entire life, if you spend your last minute saying, "Jesus please come into my heart," you punched your ticket?
    It requires 40 years +, unless God decides to kill someone younger, than it requires your entire life. Oh, 10% of your income to for life, unless he decides to kill your child.
  • fish82
    sleeper;1151847 wrote:Says the person who needs God to avoid facing the realities of life. Must be nice having that mythical all powerful friend who has a plan for you and loves you no matter what, except if you break one of his rules, you'll go to a place of fire for eternity.

    Sounds awesome! Where do I sign up? LOL
    Nice work...deflecting, strawman and flat out making shit up all in one post. I've now been impressed twice today. :cool:
  • vball10set
    fish82;1151933 wrote:Nice work...deflecting, strawman and flat out making **** up all in one post. I've now been impressed twice today. :cool:
    reps
  • Skyhook79
    enigmaax;1151865 wrote:I want to be sure I understand correctly. So long as you acknowledge Jesus as the savior at some point in your life, you are going to heaven? Regardless of what you've done your entire life, if you spend your last minute saying, "Jesus please come into my heart," you punched your ticket?
    Matthew 20:1-16

    [SUP]1[/SUP] For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. [SUP]2[/SUP] And after agreeing with the workers for the standard wage, he sent them into his vineyard. [SUP]3[/SUP] When it was about nine o’clock in the morning, he went out again and saw others standing around in the market place without work. [SUP]4[/SUP] And he said to them, “You go into the vineyard too and I will give you whatever is right.” [SUP]5[/SUP] So they went. When he went out again about noon and three o’clock that afternoon, he did the same thing. [SUP]6[/SUP] And about five o’clock that afternoon he went out and found others standing around, and he said to them, “Why are you standing here all day without work?”[SUP]7[/SUP] They said to him, “Because no one has hired us.” He said to them, “You go and work in the vineyard too.”[SUP]8[/SUP] When it was evening, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, “Call the workers and give the pay starting with the last hired until the first.” [SUP]9[/SUP] When those hired about five o’clock came, each received a full day’s pay. [SUP]10[/SUP] And when those hired first came, they though they would receive more. But each one also received the standard wage. [SUP]11[/SUP] When they received it, they began to complain against the landowner, [SUP]12[/SUP] saying, “These last fellows worked one hour, and you have made them equal to us who bore the hardship and burning heat of the day.[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the landowner replied to one of them, “Friend, I am not treating you unfairly. Didn’t you agree with me to work for the standard wage? [SUP]14[/SUP] Take what is yours and go. I want to give this last man the same as I gave to you. [SUP]15[/SUP] Am I not permitted to do what I want with what belongs to me? Or are you envious because I am generous? [SUP]16[/SUP] So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”


    Of course Jesus knows your heart and your true intentions of professing your belief. So the answer to your question is yes but some people never get that last few minutes to accept Jesus.
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    Just one trip to the confession booth is all you need to have all of your sins absolved...
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1151741 wrote:We absolutely can. Provided those with their own beliefs stay out of the lives of those who are belief neutral. Until Christianity is out of the US governments policy decisions, there will always be relentless attacks on its credibility.
    There will always be attacks on Christianity and that has nothing to do with the US government. It is clearly stated in the Bible that those share the Word will be criticized. The US government has nothing to do with it.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1151700 wrote:Is Scientology a cult? It's the same as Christianity. How does it feel to be associated with Scientology?
    TO me it feels the same as it would if Christianity wasn't associated with anything.
  • enigmaax
    Skyhook79;1152022 wrote:Of course Jesus knows your heart and your true intentions of professing your belief. So the answer to your question is yes but some people never get that last few minutes to accept Jesus.
    I understand a person may be taking chances by waiting until the last minute. But I'm more confused by another part of it. Many Christians I know (not all, but I want to get your view on these particular ones) are quite judgmental toward the particular sins of others. For example, homosexuals take a beating. Now, my understanding is that homosexuality is no different a "rule" than any other sin or act that God wishes you wouldn't do. So, it is highly possible that according to the way you've presented it, plenty of gays are going to heaven. Just like plenty of adulterers and thieves and what not are also going to be there. Because they truly believed, even if they didn't make a lot of what another Christian might call "good choices".

    Earlier, someone said we are born into sin and can't avoid it. So committing sin or trying you best to avoid it doesn't have one bit of influence on where you spend your eternity (according to the Christian system). I love my dad, but I don't do everything he says. I mean well, but we disagree on a lot of things. It is really no different to your God, right? Accept Jesus and you're cool. He wishes you'd do some other things, but those actions really don't determine anything at all, correct?
  • Con_Alma
    enigmaax;1152184 wrote:I understand a person may be taking chances by waiting until the last minute. But I'm more confused by another part of it. Many Christians I know (not all, but I want to get your view on these particular ones) are quite judgmental toward the particular sins of others. For example, homosexuals take a beating. Now, my understanding is that homosexuality is no different a "rule" than any other sin or act that God wishes you wouldn't do. So, it is highly possible that according to the way you've presented it, plenty of gays are going to heaven. Just like plenty of adulterers and thieves and what not are also going to be there. Because they truly believed, even if they didn't make a lot of what another Christian might call "good choices".

    Earlier, someone said we are born into sin and can't avoid it. So committing sin or trying you best to avoid it doesn't have one bit of influence on where you spend your eternity (according to the Christian system). I love my dad, but I don't do everything he says. I mean well, but we disagree on a lot of things. It is really no different to your God, right? Accept Jesus and you're cool. He wishes you'd do some other things, but those actions really don't determine anything at all, correct?
    This is correct for the most part, yes.

    There tends to be an outward response or repentence when someone truly accepts Christ.
  • enigmaax
    Con_Alma;1152185 wrote:There tends to be an outward response or repentence when someone truly accepts Christ.
    Like anything, though, some people struggle with their vices, right? And sometimes they just say fuck it and don't even try to curb them. But that doesn't mean they don't love the people that those vices hurt. Or that they suddenly don't believe or welcome Jesus.

    In those cases, does God get mad at them? Is he disappointed? Saddened? Or are all of those responses too humanized for God to feel?