Tressel forwarding emails to TP's mentor

• vball10set

  WebFire;723912 wrote:I'll say it again. Ed Martin.

  we're trying to ignore you, but you make it difficult---fwiw, Tressel will continue to coach and continue to kick tsun's ass, so continue to bash all you want--but he ain't going anywhere
• OneBuckeye

  

  jordo212000;723842 wrote:Ok.. so do you think that he told Gene Smith and the Compliance department about all of this stuff? I hope he didn't, because if he did, the NCAA will mop up the floor with Ohio State. (We didn't report any violations to the NCAA towards the end of the year when they did the Compliance Report.)
  
  I guess Tress didn't technically say "I did not forward this email to anybody" but if you read between the lines, that's what he was leading us to believe. He was worried about confidentiality!
  
  Some of you guys see the positive here that he was "afraid for TP" and that is why he told his mentor. I see the opposite here. Why the F is he telling TP's mentor? But not telling Gene Smith?

  bigkahuna;723853 wrote:That's kind of what I was thinking...
  
  
  
  Obviously this is a lie because he forwarded them to this "mentor."
  
  Now, was he going to state that in the presser? I don't know. Did Gene Smith know that and that's why he stepped in? Again, I don't know.

  The quote is missleading because he is talking about keeping the information from the compliance department. Thats it, not who else he may have shared the info with. Not a lie. It was pretty obvious from the presser that he did forward it to some people because Smith stepped in and said this is part of the NCAA investigation. That is why this is not a big deal because we knew it already and so does the NCAA.
• WebFire

  LJ;723915 wrote:Martin had a relationship with the university

  
  Not really. Outside of the scandal.
• WebFire

  vball10set;723919 wrote:we're trying to ignore you, but you make it difficult---fwiw, Tressel will continue to coach and continue to kick tsun's ass, so continue to bash all you want--but he ain't going anywhere

  
  Haha. I'm not bashing. Just how I'm seeing it. Something reeks here. And if Tressel stays and keeps kicking ass, then so be it. That really has nothing to do with it.
  
  But since you mentioned it, I don't think Hoke's record against OSU will be anything like Carr and Rod's.
• ksig489

  Hamp89;723826 wrote:It's a big deal because he continually stated he was scared and didn't know what to do with the emails because it was part of a federal investigation at the time. He was too scared to forward to his bosses, but not to a "mentor" to Pryor? He's digging a deeper hole from his original comments every time more info comes out. Lies on top of lies.

  
  This is why its a big deal. He stated he did not forward to OSU admins or their compliance people because of the confidentiality. But he did forward to a guy who is a "mentor" (read: financial supporter who gets a kickback when Pryor goes pro) and didnt worry about confidentiality then.
  
  This is actually a huge deal. It is likely what will get Tressel fired. It is full on proof that he lied and covered up things rather than reporting like he is required to do by NCAA rules (even though many people believed this already). This has basically given OSU no choice but to fire him to avoid severe NCAA penalties. Look for OSU to hold off on anything until the basketball team is done, and then you will either get one of two things...1. Tressel and Smith are fired or resign, 2. OSU pretends like nothing is wrong and the NCAA drops the hammer on them (forfeit the 2010 season, no bowl games for 2 years, reduced scholarships, full season ban for Tressel including practice, and maybe more).
• WebFire

  ksig489;723928 wrote:This is why its a big deal. He stated he did not forward to OSU admins or their compliance people because of the confidentiality. But he had did forward to a guy who is a "mentor" (read: financial supporter who gets a kickback when Pryor goes pro) and didnt worry about confidentiality then.
  
  This is actually a huge deal. It is likely what will get Tressel fired. It is full on proof that he lied and covered up things rather than reporting like he is required to do by NCAA rules (even though many people believed this already). This has basically given OSU no choice but to fire him to avoid severe NCAA penalties. Look for OSU to hold off on anything until the basketball team is done, and then you will either get one of two things...1. Tressel and Smith are fired or resign, 2. OSU pretends like nothing is wrong and the NCAA drops the hammer on them (forfeit the 2010 season, no bowl games for 2 years, reduced scholarships, full season ban for Tressel including practice, and maybe more).

  
  I originally didn't think all that would happen. I am starting to think Tressel will not be on the sideline next year. Just my opinion folks.
• password

  

  I hope he notified the parents or mentors of the other players involved at the same time. Seeing that all he was really concerned about was their safety, I am sure he did.
• password

  

  ksig489;723928 wrote:This is why its a big deal. He stated he did not forward to OSU admins or their compliance people because of the confidentiality. But he had did forward to a guy who is a "mentor" (read: financial supporter who gets a kickback when Pryor goes pro) and didnt worry about confidentiality then.
  
  This is actually a huge deal. It is likely what will get Tressel fired. It is full on proof that he lied and covered up things rather than reporting like he is required to do by NCAA rules (even though many people believed this already). This has basically given OSU no choice but to fire him to avoid severe NCAA penalties. Look for OSU to hold off on anything until the basketball team is done, and then you will either get one of two things...1. Tressel and Smith are fired or resign, 2. OSU pretends like nothing is wrong and the NCAA drops the hammer on them (forfeit the 2010 season, no bowl games for 2 years, reduced scholarships, full season ban for Tressel including practice, and maybe more).

  
  
  I just hope it goes down on a Wednesday so I can keep my integrity.
• OneBuckeye

  

  ksig489;723928 wrote:This is why its a big deal. He stated he did not forward to OSU admins or their compliance people because of the confidentiality. But he had did forward to a guy who is a "mentor" (read: financial supporter who gets a kickback when Pryor goes pro) and didnt worry about confidentiality then.
  
  This is actually a huge deal. It is likely what will get Tressel fired. It is full on proof that he lied and covered up things rather than reporting like he is required to do by NCAA rules (even though many people believed this already). This has basically given OSU no choice but to fire him to avoid severe NCAA penalties. Look for OSU to hold off on anything until the basketball team is done, and then you will either get one of two things...1. Tressel and Smith are fired or resign, 2. OSU pretends like nothing is wrong and the NCAA drops the hammer on them (forfeit the 2010 season, no bowl games for 2 years, reduced scholarships, full season ban for Tressel including practice, and maybe more).

  
  No he never said that. He just said he didn't tell compliance because he was more concerned about their involvement with a potential criminal activity. He also never said he didn't forward the messege. It was pretty clear from the Presser that he did. Therefore the NCAA already knows, so that is why this isn't a big deal. Your second paragraph is insaine. Please seperate facts from what people thought they saw from the press confrence. As it has already been proven that he covered this stuff up and he got this suspension from OSU for it and that is what the NCAA is investigating. How hard is that to understand.
• ksig489

  And...Ed Martin was giving some of the fab 5 guys money as early as Junior High.
  
  This "mentor" for Pryor is going to make this thing even worse. I know that OSU said they looked into it, but when colleges say things like that, what they really mean is:
  
  "We looked into him and we are pretty sure we can keep the illegal things he is doing for the player secret and avoid the NCAA problems."
  
  Don't be surprised if Pryor gets Dez Bryant treatment and doesn't play this season at all once the NCAA looks into his mentor a little bit more.
• WebFire

  OneBuckeye;723940 wrote:No he never said that. He just said he didn't tell compliance because he was more concerned about their involvement with a potential criminal activity. He also never said he didn't forward the messege. It was pretty clear from the Presser that he did. Therefore the NCAA already knows, so that is why this isn't a big deal. Your second paragraph is insaine. Please seperate facts from what people thought they saw from the press confrence.

  
  The press conference really has nothing to do with anything.
• thedynasty1998

  

  As for Web, of course he wants to see OSU fail. But he seems to be pretty informed on this issue and really isn't saying anything that OSU fans shouldn't be thinking themselves.
  
  The Dispatch requested all emails between Tressel and the "mentor", so once they receive them we will know more.
  
  However, it's safe to assume that the NCAA already is further along in their investigation, so whatever comes out in the media is something the NCAA is likely already aware of, so nothing groundbreaking is being discovered here.
  
  But when you have a 65 year old man lending his Corvette to the #1 HS player in the country, it just doesn't fit. Is there a violation? Well not at this point. But the last thing OSU needs is the NCAA digging deeper into the relationship between Pryor and this "mentor".
  
  And it's hard to trust Pryor to do the right thing. First it was the Corvette in HS, then the "loaner" cars while at OSU, then the tattoos.
• WebFire

  ksig489;723943 wrote:And...Ed Martin was giving some of the fab 5 guys money as early as Junior High.
  
  This "mentor" for Pryor is going to make this thing even worse. I know that OSU said they looked into it, but when colleges say things like that, what they really mean is:
  
  "We looked into him and we are pretty sure we can keep the illegal things he is doing for the player secret and avoid the NCAA problems."
  
  Don't be surprised if Pryor gets Dez Bryant treatment and doesn't play this season at all once the NCAA looks into his mentor a little bit more.

  Or it means "We told this guy to stay away, but he won't."
• thedynasty1998

  

  WebFire;723944 wrote:The press conference really has nothing to do with anything.

  Correct. He could have lied about everything and it wouldn't matter to the NCAA. It's just insulting to the fans that Tressel thought we were too dumb to question him.
• OneBuckeye

  

  WebFire;723944 wrote:The press conference really has nothing to do with anything.

  
  How does it not? All these NEW LIES! people are basing it off of that.
• WebFire

  thedynasty1998;723945 wrote:As for Web, of course he wants to see OSU fail. But he seems to be pretty informed on this issue and really isn't saying anything that OSU fans shouldn't be thinking themselves.
  
  The Dispatch requested all emails between Tressel and the "mentor", so once they receive them we will know more.
  
  However, it's safe to assume that the NCAA already is further along in their investigation, so whatever comes out in the media is something the NCAA is likely already aware of, so nothing groundbreaking is being discovered here.
  
  But when you have a 65 year old man lending his Corvette to the #1 HS player in the country, it just doesn't fit. Is there a violation? Well not at this point. But the last thing OSU needs is the NCAA digging deeper into the relationship between Pryor and this "mentor".
  
  And it's hard to trust Pryor to do the right thing. First it was the Corvette in HS, then the "loaner" cars while at OSU, then the tattoos.

  Good post. Similar things with Martin. If you notice, Michigan did not vacate wins until the point Martin was deemed a booster by the NCAA, because before that, he no affiliation with the school and technically no violations.
• WebFire

  OneBuckeye;723948 wrote:How does it not? All these NEW LIES! people are basing it off of that.

  
  The NCAA doesn't care about that press conference. The lies were not committed at the press conference. It's just how we, the fans, were able to find out about them.
• jordo212000

  

  http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/25/report-tressel-forwarded-emails-to-pryors-mentor/
  
  Collegefootballtalk's take on the situation
• ksig489

  OneBuckeye;723940 wrote:No he never said that. He just said he didn't tell compliance because he was more concerned about their involvement with a potential criminal activity. He also never said he didn't forward the messege. It was pretty clear from the Presser that he did. Therefore the NCAA already knows, so that is why this isn't a big deal. Your second paragraph is insaine. Please seperate facts from what people thought they saw from the press confrence.

  
  I never stated that he said he didnt forward the email, I said he stated he didnt forward to the OSU admins or the compliance people because of confidentiality. You even bolded it in your quote of my post. Maybe you had trouble reading it due to the Scarlet and Gray colored glasses you were reading it through.
  
  While I am not an OSU fan, my father is and Tressel getting fired would crush the old man. I dont want to see it happen, but in my opinion (which isnt tainted by fanboy status) I really believe OSU has to fire him to avoid major NCAA infractions.
  
  
  
  What I do think is funny is that all of the OSU fans who trashed Michigan when they were being looked at and were calling for the death penalty are all of a sudden scrambling like rats when the lights come on.
  
  I guess karma may actually be something.
• thedynasty1998

  

  jordo212000;723951 wrote:http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/25/report-tressel-forwarded-emails-to-pryors-mentor/
  
  Collegefootballtalk's take on the situation

  Most relevant paragraph from that article:

  If it’s proven that Tressel shared the information he had about potential violations with someone outside of the program while at the very same time keeping it from the people inside of it that actually needed to know, the university should be livid at their head coach for putting them in this situation. And that’s on top of any residual livid feelings they may have for Tressel lying to them and the NCAA on at least different occasions. Livid enough, though, to do what’s contractually their right?

• OneBuckeye

  

  WebFire;723950 wrote:The NCAA doesn't care about that press conference. The lies were not committed at the press conference. It's just how we, the fans, were able to find out about them.

  
  Exactly my point. That is why this email isn't a big deal because the NCAA already knew about it. It all depends on who he forwarded it to, like other coaches, gene smith etc as to how much trouble Tress/OSU will be in. If he had done so, I think self punishment would have already been issued. They did say at the presser that Tressel is as far as it went at OSU, so as an OSU fan I hope that is the case. If it came out that he emailed it to Gene Smith, then OSU is in deep shit, if they didn't tell that to the NCAA back in Feburary. Because OSU says that Tressel is as far as it went at OSU then forwarding it to a "mentor" is not a big deal. It doesn't change the fact that he didn't come forward with the info and played the players knowing they were ineligable. All things we already knew. Nothing new.
  
  Also OSU and NCAA already knew about this, so its not like OSU just found out he forwarded it to him, this is not going to make them fire Tressel because they knew this already. The fire tressel people think OSU found out about this today and will now react. They did and it was a 2 game suspension, 250k fine.
• september63

  

  THIS is NOT "new" information to OSU Administrators, nor is it "new" to the NCAA. Will this have any effect on any more punishment? I dont think so. I'm just saying it isnt new information to the people that are supposed to know.
• ksig489

  While it may not be "new"...it is proof that he was full of crap with his "confidentiality" defense. It is a big deal because this is the beginning of the end of Tressel as OSUs football coach. He has been caught in a lie of exponential magnitude. He knowingly violated NCAA rules by not reporting it, but reported it to someone "outside" the program to try to get his star player some help.
  
  There is no way anyone can think Tressel isn't dirty after this finding. If you don't think so, you are only fooling yourself. His history will now be dug into from the YSU QB years ago, to Clarett, Smith, and now the Tat 5.
  
  Does the guy win games and beat Michigan...yes. Does the guy have a complete aura of "shadyness"...yes.
  
  Will there be ANY way that this wont end with either major violations or Tressel's firing (or both)...no.
• OneBuckeye

  

  ksig489;723962 wrote:While it may not be "new"...it is proof that he was full of crap with his "confidentiality" defense. It is a big deal because this is the beginning of the end of Tressel as OSUs football coach. He has been caught in a lie of exponential magnitude. He knowingly violated NCAA rules by not reporting it, but reported it to someone "outside" the program to try to get his star player some help.
  
  There is no way anyone can think Tressel isn't dirty after this finding. If you don't think so, you are only fooling yourself. His history will now be dug into from the YSU QB years ago, to Clarett, Smith, and now the Tat 5.
  
  Does the guy win games and beat Michigan...yes. Does the guy have a complete aura of "shadyness"...yes.
  
  Will there be ANY way that this wont end with either major violations or Tressel's firing (or both)...no.

  No shit and he got a fine and suspension with maybe more coming, again everything you said in your first paragraph is from the first go around. You last line is again insaine, OSU already said they aren't firing tressel how hard is that to understand?
• thedynasty1998

  

  Yes, OSU knew about it previously. However, the fans and boosters didn't. I would imagine Tressel still has support of the fan base, but if he starts to lose that support he then is much easier to let go.
  
  Tressel is great for OSU because he wins games, but also because Boosters love him and he's a good ambassador for the University. But if people start questioning his integrity and start to think he's a liar, then nothing is off limits.