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How Much Trouble Is OSU and Tressel in Now?!

  • thedynasty1998
    ytownfootball;708735 wrote:Because the timeline for the emails with Cisero are irrelevant, the timeline and content of the feds convos are what is relevant.
    Tell Yahoo, the NCAA, and Gene Smith that. They obviously disagree.
    centralbucksfan;708736 wrote:Why is that so wrong? Oh wait...because it doesn't go with what YOU believe! lol I am not sure you or others realize the seriousness of a federal investigation and what a major role it "could" have played in this story.
    You really want to believe that the Feds told Tressel to lie to the NCAA? And let's just pretend that they did, do you not think that Gene Smith would understand and explain that to the NCAA, therefore he wouldn't be suspended. Can't believe I have to explain this simple logic to you.
    Big Gain;708734 wrote:Has anyone read the e-mails?

    The emails didn't mention any names, the lawyer just said players.
    The only reason the lawyer e-mailed Tressel was because he was pissed that players would trade such things of Ohio State value. He didn't even know it was an NCAA violation. All the lawyer wanted was for Tressel to put the tattoo parlor off limits for players
    After the 2nd e-mail Tressel asked the lawyer for some names, no names were given. This lawyer wouldn't know names unless he personally handled the memorabilia. Was the stuff on display? Was the stuff for sale? Did this lawyer get tats at the place?

    Read the e-mails.

    You obviously failed to read the emails, because two players names are mentioned, and those two are Pryor and Posey. I'm amazed by the stupidity on here tonight.
  • jordo212000
    Big Gain;708734 wrote:Has anyone read the e-mails?

    The emails didn't mention any names, the lawyer just said players.
    The only reason the lawyer e-mailed Tressel was because he was pissed that players would trade such things of Ohio State value. He didn't even know it was an NCAA violation. All the lawyer wanted was for Tressel to put the tattoo parlor off limits for players
    After the 2nd e-mail Tressel asked the lawyer for some names, no names were given. This lawyer wouldn't know names unless he personally handled the memorabilia. Was the stuff on display? Was the stuff for sale? Did this lawyer get tats at the place?

    Read the e-mails.

    Is this a joke?
  • thedynasty1998
    ytownfootball;708743 wrote:Again, imo, w can't make this assumption because we don't know the context of what went on with the feds. They had a pretty high profile case they didn't want blown.

    High profile? Does it just sound better to say that? Some small time local drug dealer on the west side of Columbus is hardly high profile. The Feds were not investigating any OSU student athletes. They thought the memorabilia was STOLEN and informed OSU about it. That's when OSU started to investigate the whole thing.

    Go back and read up on the FACTS.
  • sherm03
    ytownfootball;708743 wrote:Again, imo, w can't make this assumption because we don't know the context of what went on with the feds. They had a pretty high profile case they didn't want blown.

    I realize this. But you can't jump all over people for coming up with their conclusions based on what is presented because it is different from the conclusions that you draw. With all the open ended questions here...people are allowed to make their assumption. You are acting like the NCAA is going to read what we are saying here and make their decision based on that.
  • karen lotz
    Big Gain;708734 wrote:Has anyone read the e-mails?

    The emails didn't mention any names, the lawyer just said players.
    The only reason the lawyer e-mailed Tressel was because he was pissed that players would trade such things of Ohio State value. He didn't even know it was an NCAA violation. All the lawyer wanted was for Tressel to put the tattoo parlor off limits for players
    After the 2nd e-mail Tressel asked the lawyer for some names, no names were given. This lawyer wouldn't know names unless he personally handled the memorabilia. Was the stuff on display? Was the stuff for sale? Did this lawyer get tats at the place?

    Read the e-mails.
    WHAT????
  • centralbucksfan
    thedynasty1998;708754 wrote:Tell Yahoo, the NCAA, and Gene Smith that. They obviously disagree.



    You really want to believe that the Feds told Tressel to lie to the NCAA? And let's just pretend that they did, do you not think that Gene Smith would understand and explain that to the NCAA, therefore he wouldn't be suspended. Can't believe I have to explain this simple logic to you.



    Y.


    Your not following. MY theory only covers from April to Dec. From Dec. to the found emails in Jan...I don't have anything. And thus, Smith/OSU fine and suspensions.
  • karen lotz
    dat dude;708744 wrote:smh

    ERROR ERROR...


    lol perfect response.
  • ytownfootball
    jordo212000;708752 wrote:This is a message board ytown. People are going to speculate because there a lot of blanks to fill in and right now Gene Smith and Tress are pleading the 5th. I need to go freshen up on MLA and APA again, because apparently you need to cite your sources on here now haha

    Look, I understand that, sorry if I have a little too much passion for so many on here. If we're going to hang him high after all he's done for Ohio State and the thousands he helped positively over the last ten years, then sue me.
  • centralbucksfan
    thedynasty1998;708758 wrote:High profile? Does it just sound better to say that? Some small time local drug dealer on the west side of Columbus is hardly high profile. The Feds were not investigating any OSU student athletes. They thought the memorabilia was STOLEN and informed OSU about it. That's when OSU started to investigate the whole thing.

    Go back and read up on the FACTS.

    But it started as a FEDERAL DRUG investigation. And the FEDS don't get involved unless they think its BIG.
  • ytownfootball
    thedynasty1998;708758 wrote:High profile? Does it just sound better to say that? Some small time local drug dealer on the west side of Columbus is hardly high profile. The Feds were not investigating any OSU student athletes. They thought the memorabilia was STOLEN and informed OSU about it. That's when OSU started to investigate the whole thing.

    Go back and read up on the FACTS.

    Obviously pretty high profile in hindsight don't you think? Isn't the association the players had from a high profile school and the potential for blowing the lid off their case enough to convince you why they required confidentiality?

    If this had blown prior to the feds investigation...tattooo guy would be in a jungle in Bolivia
  • thedynasty1998
    ytownfootball;708767 wrote:Obviously pretty high profile in hindsight don't you think? Isn't the association the players had from a high profile school and the potential for blowing the lid off their case enough to convince you why they required confidentiality?

    No it's not. From what we know, the players weren't involved in the drugs.

    So you are sticking to the theory that Tressel was forced to lie to the NCAA by the Feds?

    And you are also the one that is telling people to stick to the facts?

    It really can't be both ways.
  • ytownfootball
    thedynasty1998;708772 wrote:No it's not. From what we know, the players weren't involved in the drugs.

    So you are sticking to the theory that Tressel was forced to lie to the NCAA by the Feds?

    And you are also the one that is telling people to stick to the facts?

    It really can't be both ways.

    Not forced to lie...don't put words in my mouth, forced to keep quiet

    and I don't know either, but it's just as likely as your doom and gloom
  • sherm03
    I guess my biggest issue regarding this whole "federal investigation" defense is this:

    The memorabilia was found in Rife's house during a raid by the federal agents (at least, according to Cicero's first email). How would Tressel coming forward about that affect the case in any way? It's not like Rife DIDN'T KNOW that his house got raided and $70,000 and all his memorabilia was taken by the agents. If they're going after someone Rife is associated with, how is Tressel reporting the violation any different from Rife telling his buddies that his house got raided?

    I guess I just don't see that as a really viable defense...at least in my eyes.
  • centralbucksfan
    1. Tressel receives email in April.
    2. Forwards to his lawyer
    3. His laywer contacts FEDS.
    4. Feds inform Tress lawyer to keep lid on situation because of ongoing investigation. Also cautioned it could put players safety in question. (thus Tress talk at presser about player safety).
    5. Lawyer advices Tressel not to say anything to Smith or anyone at OSU for fear it would blow lid off investigation, and possibly put players in danger.(Tress comment about not knowing who to go to)
    6. Tress continues to email to keep as close an eye on situation as possible, and to see if others are involved.
    7. Investigation goes on until Dec. when Feds infor OSU of what players were doing.
    8. Dec. 23, announcement of players situation and suspensions for next season.

    Confidentiality comment could have been made in terms of Tressel personal lawyer, and NOT Cisero(sp?).

    Again, the major question is WHY did Tressel not come clean in Dec. The above could have EASILY been the situation and Tressel hands were tied.
  • ytownfootball
    sherm03;708780 wrote:I guess my biggest issue regarding this whole "federal investigation" defense is this:

    The memorabilia was found in Rife's house during a raid by the federal agents (at least, according to Cicero's first email). How would Tressel coming forward about that affect the case in any way? It's not like Rife DIDN'T KNOW that his house got raided and $70,000 and all his memorabilia was taken by the agents. If they're going after someone Rife is associated with, how is Tressel reporting the violation any different from Rife telling his buddies that his house got raided?

    I guess I just don't see that as a really viable defense...at least in my eyes.

    I would assume that it's standard operating procedure, regardless of who is involved. Not privy to that experience thank God.
  • thedynasty1998
    centralbucksfan;708781 wrote:1. Tressel receives email in April.
    2. Forwards to his lawyer
    3. His laywer contacts FEDS.
    4. Feds inform Tress lawyer to keep lid on situation because of ongoing investigation. Also cautioned it could put players safety in question. (thus Tress talk at presser about player safety).
    5. Lawyer advices Tressel not to say anything to Smith or anyone at OSU for fear it would blow lid off investigation, and possibly put players in danger.(Tress comment about not knowing who to go to)
    6. Tress continues to email to keep as close an eye on situation as possible, and to see if others are involved.
    7. Investigation goes on until Dec. when Feds infor OSU of what players were doing.
    8. Dec. 23, announcement of players situation and suspensions for next season.

    Confidentiality comment could have been made in terms of Tressel personal lawyer, and NOT Cisero(sp?).

    Again, the major question is WHY did Tressel not come clean in Dec. The above could have EASILY been the situation and Tressel hands were tied.

    That could all be possible if Tressel had not been suspended and fined. Don't you think at this point he could say that he contacted his lawyers and they advised him to stay quiet and all would be forgiven?
  • sherm03
    ytownfootball;708782 wrote:I would assume that it's standard operating procedure, regardless of who is involved. Not privy to that experience thank God.

    It just doesn't add up to me. I just feel like if the feds were PLANNING to raid the house, I can see Tressel having to keep quiet to keep from blowing the lid on the raid. But after the house is raided, the evidence is done, and the subject is clearly tipped off that the feds are on to them. So Tressel coming forward with the information wouldn't be that big of a deal to their investigation.
  • ytownfootball
    My fear is that I'm right about his hands being tied (you too cbf) and that it doesn't matter and he gets the hammer anyway. I'll be really disappointed then. I'm not displeased with him now, at all there's blame to go around, and it goes directly toward Pryor, Posey et. al.
  • thedynasty1998
    ytownfootball;708775 wrote:Not forced to lie...don't put words in my mouth, forced to keep quiet

    and I don't know either, but it's just as likely as your doom and gloom

    He told the NCAA he didn't know about the free tattoos prior to December. That is a lie.


    Again, how can you speculate, yet I can't and need to stick to the facts?
  • thedynasty1998
    ytownfootball;708786 wrote:My fear is that I'm right about his hands being tied (you too cbf) and that it doesn't matter and he gets the hammer anyway. I'll be really disappointed then. I'm not displeased with him now, at all there's blame to go around, and it goes directly toward Pryor, Posey et. al.

    Don't worry, your fears are not even close to being a reality.
  • ytownfootball
    sherm03;708785 wrote:It just doesn't add up to me. I just feel like if the feds were PLANNING to raid the house, I can see Tressel having to keep quiet to keep from blowing the lid on the raid. But after the house is raided, the evidence is done, and the subject is clearly tipped off that the feds are on to them. So Tressel coming forward with the information wouldn't be that big of a deal to their investigation.

    But there are other they'd still like to get, suppliers and others...there are bigger fish to nab, so you let him run awhile and see what he kicks up. In the meantime, get the college boys out of the way.
  • sherm03
    ytownfootball;708786 wrote:My fear is that I'm right about his hands being tied (you too cbf) and that it doesn't matter and he gets the hammer anyway. I'll be really disappointed then. I'm not displeased with him now, at all there's blame to go around, and it goes directly toward Pryor, Posey et. al.

    The only reason why I could see his hands being tied and not being able to come forward is if the feds were actually investigating to see if the players had any role in the drug trafficking. In that case, Tressel wouldn't have been able to say anything for fear of tipping the hand of the feds and blowing the case they were trying to build against the players. Otherwise, I see no reason why he wouldn't have been able to come forward with the info in April unless it's because of CBF's theory.
  • centralbucksfan
    thedynasty1998;708784 wrote:That could all be possible if Tressel had not been suspended and fined. Don't you think at this point he could say that he contacted his lawyers and they advised him to stay quiet and all would be forgiven?

    Damn, do I need to explain everything? My above scenario covers the April to Dec. The Dec. to emails found in Jan...is the major question and the one I have been pointing out from the beginning. And its the reason for the fine and suspension. The rest covers what could easily have happened, thus Smith and Gee in support...except for him not coming clean in Dec. when it all broke.
    If they knew he covered it up from April, with NO reason but to just cover it up...he would have been fined larger, suspended longer or easily fired IMO.

    Gee and Smith support, and only 2 game suspension with 250K fine, tells me there was MORE to this and Tressel had reason not to come out about situation.
  • sherm03
    ytownfootball;708789 wrote:But there are other they'd still like to get, suppliers and others...there are bigger fish to nab, so you let him run awhile and see what he kicks up. In the meantime, get the college boys out of the way.

    I realize that there are "bigger fish to fry" so to speak. But what is going to tip those guys off more? Tressel coming forward saying that his players sold memorabilia to the guy? Or the fact that his house was raided by federal agents?

    Like I said, I can see if he got the information before the raid they would want him to keep quiet so they didn't tip of Rife and have him move all the stuff out. But after the raid, they have their evidence and Rife (and anyone that he is associated with) know that the feds are on to them. So Tressel coming forward wouldn't mess anything up at that point.
  • ytownfootball
    Bottom line is, if there wasn't more to it he would have been fired imo.