How Much Trouble Is OSU and Tressel in Now?!

• sherm03

  

  ytownfootball;704477 wrote:I would think that if anyone other than Tressel knew of this before the first week of December then it's water under the bridge. If he was the only one who knew and failed to let the compliance department know then, well, I guess he's still in the wrong. I still feel his thought was that a federal situation supersedes the NCAA compliance issue...I don't blame him for that. Still a mistake but one the NCAA won't add anything further to.

  
  I agree. But there's several things you are missing. I think the NCAA would overlook the first emails in April due to the pending case. However, it's clear in the email dated June 1st that the attorney says the federal case is done. At that point, Tressel SHOULD have reported the violations. He did not.
  December rolls around, and it comes out that the NCAA now knows about the violations. They investigate and ask OSU and Tressel what they know. Tressel says that he did not know anything until December when it all came to light. Which is an outright lie to the NCAA. THAT is where he is going to have problems. He had six whole months where the case was over and coming forward would not jeopardize anything (according to the emails), and he sat on it.
  
  That's going to be a problem when the NCAA comes knocking again.
• stephen3108

  I just got finished reading the emails. I'm not sure who the person was emailing Tress, but I suspect is was some sort of attorney who should never have tipped Tress off in the first place. I think Tress was concerned for the safety of his players considering that the guy they sold this stuff to was a major piece of a drug trafficking ring that was being investigated by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Tressel considers these players pretty much his kids and responsibility. He promises their mothers their safety. Who would expose this knowing it would get blown up by the media putting the players in danger? Think about it, how many people die in drug related incidents every year? What happens if Tress exposes this, a few small people in this trafficking ring get busted and the big dogs do something crazy and go after these kids. Tress would be crucified for compromising their safety. That's just my take. I really don't know what I would have done. That's a hard decision to make. He should have never been informed about it in the first place.
• KnightRyder

  

  you can always tell when tressel is lying, his lips are moving
• password

  

  elbuckeye28;704471 wrote:Pearl's case is much more black and white. Pearl hosted BBQ, NCAA found out, Pearl lies and tries to get recruit(I think Craft) to lie as well. Tressel's case has much more grey area because of the FBI/lawyers/criminal case involved.

  
  I agree that both incidents may be a little different but he held back information about his players and a lie is a lie.He knew it was wrong, what his players were doing and he still let them play and even pushed for them to play in the bowl game.He was only concerned about his record and the team winning at all cost.
• CinciX12

  

  I'm really glad my little white lies aren't reported on ESPN. Makes him look like a frauds for being disappointed in all of the guys back when we found out. Also puts the blame squarely on his shoulders. Could have been fixed at the beginning of last season and this upcoming season could have gone on business as usual. 20/20 in hindsight though. We have all not admitted things we had no intention of getting caught for to begin with.
• Fab1b

  

  After reading the emails again and actually thinking about it unbiased I am now convinced Tress is and was lying about this and why he didn't disclose it. I don't think the NCAA is going to go away and this will get worse. Now that being said I still love Tress and hopefully whatever does come of this it happens swiftly and fast and only affects the upcoming season and they can move forth. Tress though you will not get another pass. He needs to be sure after this is said and done he is as clean as can be and manages everything under his control with white gloves!
  
  Also whoever he is talking with in those emails it sounds by his responses that he perhaps knows the person or had talked with him before??
• stephen3108

  No matter what the haters say everyone knows that Coach Tressel is human and we all make mistakes. Regardless what his were I know that TRUE friends,fans,and family will be by his as well as the teams side. That man is the reason so many young men have had the chance to leave bad neighborhoods and broken homes and make something of themselves. Respect is what I have for coach and we all should. Go Bucks!!! - Brian Rolle
• ytownfootball

  

  sherm03;704481 wrote:I agree. But there's several things you are missing. I think the NCAA would overlook the first emails in April due to the pending case. However, it's clear in the email dated June 1st that the attorney says the federal case is done. At that point, Tressel SHOULD have reported the violations. He did not.
  December rolls around, and it comes out that the NCAA now knows about the violations. They investigate and ask OSU and Tressel what they know. Tressel says that he did not know anything until December when it all came to light. Which is an outright lie to the NCAA. THAT is where he is going to have problems. He had six whole months where the case was over and coming forward would not jeopardize anything (according to the emails), and he sat on it.
  
  That's going to be a problem when the NCAA comes knocking again.

  
  I didn't miss that part, I just don't read it as clearly as maybe you are. I don't see it as a ringing endorsement to spill your guts to the NCAA. However, nowhere does JT expressly voice his compliance concerns with the NCAA. "let me know what I need to do if anything" doesn't say he's concerned with his compliance issue (though we suspect it) the attorney may be assuming something entirely different. Conversely, at no point did the attorney expressly say he was off the hook as far as keeping quiet about it, just that they had come to a resolution.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  CinciX12;704489 wrote:Makes him look like a frauds for being disappointed in all of the guys back when we found out. Also puts the blame squarely on his shoulders.

  
  If the dumbass kids weren't selling their shit to the guy none of this would have happened, so the fact that Tressel fucked up doesn't absolve the players.
• KnightRyder

  

  the bottom line is tressel mislead the ncaa by with holding information so he could keep his star players on the field. turns out he isnt different than those coaches in the sec that buckeye nations complain about.
• Fab1b

  

  Cleveland Buck;704496 wrote:If the dumbass kids weren't selling their shit to the guy none of this would have happened, so the fact that Tressel fucked up doesn't absolve the players.

  
  Correct honestly I wouldn't have a problem if they were all sent packing, they won't be, but I wouldn't have a problem with it.
• ytownfootball

  

  KnightRyder;704497 wrote:the bottom line is tressel mislead the ncaa by with holding information so he could keep his star players on the field. turns out he isnt different than those coaches in the sec that buckeye nations complain about.

  
  incorrect...there are reasons behind not saying what he knew
• CinciX12

  

  I guess more so for just the handling of it then. I really didn't like how he handled then and really don't now knowing all of this stuff. I always knew Pryor was a total idiot. I never suspected Tressel was.
• CinciX12

  

  ytownfootball;704499 wrote:incorrect...there are reasons behind not saying what he knew

  
  No this is exactly the kind of things you guys would be killing an SEC coach over lol.
• password

  

  He admitted to knowingly playing ineligible players for the season and that will mean forfeit of all games for 2010.
• Fab1b

  

  CinciX12;704502 wrote:No this is exactly the kind of things you guys would be killing an SEC coach over lol.

  
  Yes I would and I still will be as the SEC is dirty and there is no doubt about it. OSU rightfully so is going to get it but the over signing, the Cam Newton stuff, etc...including all the past the SEC is DIRTY!!!
• CinciX12

  

  Fab1b;704504 wrote:Yes I would and I still will be as the SEC is dirty and there is no doubt about it. OSU rightfully so is going to get it but the over signing, the Cam Newton stuff, etc...including all the past the SEC is DIRTY!!!

  
  If you are going to lie about things I think it is way more honorable to protect your team than the whole oversigning BS that goes on in the SEC. So I still vote the SEC as the scum of the universe.
• ytownfootball

  

  CinciX12;704502 wrote:No this is exactly the kind of things you guys would be killing an SEC coach over lol.

  
  Probably, not gonna lie.
  
  As an alum though, I disagree with your thoughts on how it was handled...if they just discovered all this stuff in January and did their reporting and held the press conference today, I am pretty pleased with how it went down tonight. Could not have really done a better job with a bad situation.
• CinciX12

  

  password;704503 wrote:He admitted to knowingly playing ineligible players for the season and that will mean forfeit of all games for 2010.

  
  That goes into that fine line/gray area of can you forfeit an entire season based off a violation that wouldn't have resulted in a season suspension. It makes sense to assume the guys would have still gotten 4 or 5 games for the violations. I don't think you could go back and take a season away from that. But then it is iffy when you take away a Big 10 win and that affects placing.
  
  Idk really. I just don't think they should have to forfeit a whole season based on a violation that was dumb to begin with.
• CinciX12

  

  ytownfootball;704508 wrote:Probably, not gonna lie.
  
  As an alum though, I disagree with your thoughts on how it was handled...if they just discovered all this stuff in January and did their reporting and held the press conference today, I am pretty pleased with how it went down tonight. Could not have really done a better job with a bad situation.

  
  I can't say I would have handled it any better. You're right, with a crappy situation they did alright. Minus the apologizing to Archie part. It really rubs me the wrong way how the moral authority is the used car salesman Sir Archie Griffin lol.
• ytownfootball

  

  password;704503 wrote:He admitted to knowingly playing ineligible players for the season and that will mean forfeit of all games for 2010.

  
  Dude...the NCAA knew about it and let them play in the fucking bowl game...lol
  
  extenuating circumstances aside...damn
• Mulva

  

  Forfeiting games retroactively is so dumb. Like it will actually make anyone forget what happened on the field.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  They aren't forfeits -- the games are VACATED.
  
  Nobody gets credit for the win.
• Speedofsand

  

  http://www.610wtvn.com/pages/template/tressels_emails_march2011.pdf
  
  emails easier to read here
• password

  

  ytownfootball;704513 wrote:Dude...the NCAA knew about it and let them play in the fucking bowl game...lol
  
  extenuating circumstances aside...damn

  
  
  You seriously do not think that this is over, do you? The NCAA did not know that he lied to them before they let them play in the bowl game.There will be more on this and then the laws that the lawyer broke by discussing a federal case, giving private information to Tressel about his client and more.Tressel is lying and you all know it.The lawyer even tells Tressel to talk to his players and tell them what is going on so they can stay away from the guy, he even tells Tressel to tell the players not to call the guy anymore because his phone is tapped and under investigation.