Calling out sleeper

• jordo212000

  

  @ Tobias: That's a great show and definitely one of my favorite characters from Arrested Development. It's a toss-up between he and GOB imo. I actually started rewatching the old episodes again last night (every so often I go through all 3 seasons)
  
  Tobias Fünke: Michael, you are quite the cupid. You can stick an arrow in my buttocks any time.
• krambman

  

  Tobias Fünke;582307 wrote:I agree, but if you'd read my rant on how I feel the university overly caters to alumni and donors instead of its students you'd get my whole point. Let's just say I don't like how alumni more times than not take precedence over the actual students when it's their university.

  
  True, but it's the alumni's university too. In fact, it's probably more the alumni's school than the student's school. The students are still paying for school, while the alumni have already paid their dues and the one's you're talking about are now giving money which is helping to pay for a current student's education. Also, Ohio State is a major research institution, which means that research, not education, is their primary focus. If you want to go to a school that focuses on education and teaching as it's primary focus then you should go to a private school or a smaller public university.
  
  And sorry I didn't read your original rant. There was too much on this thread by the time I clicked back on it for me to read through everything.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  krambman;582512 wrote:True, but it's the alumni's university too. In fact, it's probably more the alumni's school than the student's school. The students are still paying for school, while the alumni have already paid their dues and the one's you're talking about are now giving money which is helping to pay for a current student's education. Also, Ohio State is a major research institution, which means that research, not education, is their primary focus. If you want to go to a school that focuses on education and teaching as it's primary focus then you should go to a private school or a smaller public university.
  
  And sorry I didn't read your original rant. There was too much on this thread by the time I clicked back on it for me to read through everything.

  
  I disagree with that premise entirely, but I understand what you mean. The alumni aren't evil, but I just don't like how the football program in particular is pimped out to the cash-waving alumni and yet at the same time are almost entirely separated from the student body. I know a certain university that puts the football players in randomly with the rest of the students' dorm assignments and makes them be a part of the university's undergraduate experience. Then there's Ohio State whose football players are just like everywhere else and are separated from the general student body, unlike the rest of the athletes. I don't know, I just don't like how the only times I've seen the football team is that Union events for high-rolling donors when I've never seen them at student events or an student pep rally (I'm fortunate enough to be friends with a few gorgeous jersey chasers and have met five or so of teh players that way, but that's just because they're getting it in haha). I just don't prefer my football team to be celebrities and a rare sighting like the time I saw Terrelle Pryor walk through the South Campus Gateway in a freakin' tuxedo. I don't like it but it's just my opinion.
• Pick6

  

  Tobias Fünke;582631 wrote:I disagree with that premise entirely, but I understand what you mean. The alumni aren't evil, but I just don't like how the football program in particular is pimped out to the cash-waving alumni and yet at the same time are almost entirely separated from the student body. I know a certain university that puts the football players in randomly with the rest of the students' dorm assignments and makes them be a part of the university's undergraduate experience. Then there's Ohio State whose football players are just like everywhere else and are separated from the general student body, unlike the rest of the athletes. I don't know, I just don't like how the only times I've seen the football team is that Union events for high-rolling donors when I've never seen them at student events or an student pep rally (I'm fortunate enough to be friends with a few gorgeous jersey chasers and have met five or so of teh players that way, but that's just because they're getting it in haha). I just don't prefer my football team to be celebrities and a rare sighting like the time I saw Terrelle Pryor walk through the South Campus Gateway in a freakin' tuxedo. I don't like it but it's just my opinion.

  
  do you think Ohio State players are treated any different than any other elite football program?
• thedynasty1998

  

  Pick6;582820 wrote:do you think Ohio State players are treated any different than any other elite football program?

  
  I know this wasn't directed to me, but yes, they are absolutely treated differently. Ohio State football is our professional football team, and they are treated as such.
• lhslep134

  

  thedynasty1998;583117 wrote:I know this wasn't directed to me, but yes, they are absolutely treated differently. .

  
  I disagree, the question was if they were treated different than any other elite program and I have to disagree with that. The players are saints at OSU, LSU, UF, 'BAMA, USC, TEXAS, OU etc.
• thedynasty1998

  

  lhslep134;583122 wrote:I disagree, the question was if they were treated different than any other elite program and I have to disagree with that. The players are saints at OSU, LSU, UF, 'BAMA, USC, TEXAS, OU etc.

  
  I don't have first hand knowledge and have never been on those campuses, but I would have a hard time believing that, other than USC.
  
  Ohio State is located in a top 20 city in the US, population wise. So, this is a big boy city. However, Columbus doesn't have anything to compete with OSU football. Sure there are Browns and Bengals fans, but most people in Columbus are much bigger OSU fans than either professional team. That alone puts more pressure on the program and players. The raises the status of the players even more, because they are recognized all over the city.
  
  USC has the feel of a professional program, Texas probably does as well, but those are probably the two along with Ohio State in such a rare situation with such a large city without competition from a NFL team.
• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998;583131 wrote:I don't have first hand knowledge and have never been on those campuses, but I would have a hard time believing that, other than USC.
  
  Ohio State is located in a top 20 city in the US, population wise. So, this is a big boy city. However, Columbus doesn't have anything to compete with OSU football. Sure there are Browns and Bengals fans, but most people in Columbus are much bigger OSU fans than either professional team. That alone puts more pressure on the program and players. The raises the status of the players even more, because they are recognized all over the city.
  
  USC has the feel of a professional program, Texas probably does as well, but those are probably the two along with Ohio State in such a rare situation with such a large city without competition from a NFL team.

  I agree to the extent of how they are revered maybe more so then other places because of the above. But as far as treatment...no question that its no different then any of the elite programs in the country. Are you going to bell me, as crazy as Bama is about football, that they are not treated differently? Or Texas football? ND? All the same when it comes to treatment within the elite programs around the country.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  centralbucksfan;583146 wrote:ND? All the same when it comes to treatment within the elite programs around the country.

  
  I would wonder what athlete37 thinks about that.
• thedynasty1998

  

  centralbucksfan;583146 wrote:I agree to the extent of how they are revered maybe more so then other places because of the above. But as far as treatment...no question that its no different then any of the elite programs in the country. Are you going to bell me, as crazy as Bama is about football, that they are not treated differently? Or Texas football? ND? All the same when it comes to treatment within the elite programs around the country.

  
  Sure players all over the country are treated like rock stars on campus. But with Columbus being as big as it is, and the city revolving around the University, it's just so much more here. I've been to Notre Dame and the players are amongst the students. I would imagine that to be considered more of the norm than not. At OSU, the football players are not amongst the students. They are sheltered, rarely live on campus, live a life of luxury and are always being watched. They can't enjoy college life as a normal student does.
  
  But I think that is one of the thing's that makes Ohio State so attractive to recruits. It just has a different feel than other places.
• centralbucksfan

  Tobias Fünke;583153 wrote:I would wonder what athlete37 thinks about that.

  
  He can think what he wants. I have personally known a handful of ND players in the past, as well as a golfer. So I know for a fact how they were treated. Nothing illegal or anything like that. But certainly given preferential treatment. No different then any other big time place.
• lhslep134

  

  thedynasty1998;583158 wrote: They can't enjoy college life as a normal student does.
  

  I don't think you're qualified to make that statement.
• thedynasty1998

  

  lhslep134;583184 wrote:I don't think you're qualified to make that statement.

  
  Are you disagreeing? So, on a random Wednesday night Mike Adams can go to Ugly Tuna and enjoy life as any other student there would?
• vball10set

  lol--do they still have the live lobster "claw grab" at the Tuna? is is still $2??
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  thedynasty1998;583215 wrote:Are you disagreeing? So, on a random Wednesday night Mike Adams can go to Ugly Tuna and enjoy life as any other student there would?

  
  I see plenty of football players out and about and definitely at bars and parties. Sure guys like Pryor, Adams and such are easily recognized but they tend to be left alone usually in that setting. Not to mention, what about the 3rd string guys who never play and nobody knows. They're football players but no one recognizes them so they really don't get that much extra attention. I think you're taking this "rock star" thing a little far. Sure there are jersey chasers and such but these guys do a lot of the same things that any other students do (both good and bad).
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  vball10set;583269 wrote:lol--do they still have the live lobster "claw grab" at the Tuna? is is still $2??

  
  Yes they do. I've never actually played but I was there when someone won once. They took the lobster straight to the back and cooked it!
• Tobias Fünke

  

  centralbucksfan;583159 wrote:He can think what he wants. I have personally known a handful of ND players in the past, as well as a golfer. So I know for a fact how they were treated. Nothing illegal or anything like that. But certainly given preferential treatment. No different then any other big time place.

  
  I know my share of ND athletes too, but preferential treatment isn't "sheltered, rarely live on campus, live a life of luxury and are always being watched." They have to do these things normal students do, called "homework" and "studying." Then there's Ohio State, where I sat next to David Lighty for a class last summer (very cool dude) and he had a different one of his girls write the notes for him because it was, as he put it "just business."
  
  I just don't have much respect for student-athletes when they're not students. That's not limited to Ohio State. I just have more respect for a student-athlete at Stanford, Notre Dame, Duke, Cornell (they're at least good at wrestling), etc. than I do for Florida and the "elites." I could care less if you're elite or not; shit, I'm a Notre Dame fan for God's sake.
  
  I loved rooting for Krenzel, he was a guy you could not hate. National champion quarterback with a degree in molecular genetics? Fuck yes. Not some Glenville kid promised fifteen bitches a week and a sure shot at the NFL. Now I'm ranting again haha
• krambman

  

  thedynasty1998;583158 wrote:Sure players all over the country are treated like rock stars on campus. But with Columbus being as big as it is, and the city revolving around the University, it's just so much more here. I've been to Notre Dame and the players are amongst the students. I would imagine that to be considered more of the norm than not. At OSU, the football players are not amongst the students. They are sheltered, rarely live on campus, live a life of luxury and are always being watched. They can't enjoy college life as a normal student does.
  
  But I think that is one of the thing's that makes Ohio State so attractive to recruits. It just has a different feel than other places.

  Please don't compare the way things are at Notre Dame and at Ohio State. They are VASTLY different situations. Notre Dame is a much smaller private school with far fewer students. That alone will make the players seem more visible on campus. The campus is relatively isolated, so nearly everyone lives on campus unlike at OSU where outside of freshman very few OSU students live in campus housing. Notre Dame's campus is completely self contained, whereas OSU's campus is enveloped by the city of Columbus, making it difficult to tell where the campus actually begins and ends. Notre Dame is on semesters, so their school year begins around the same time as football season begins, so you're more likely to have more integration between the football players. At Ohio State they are a month into their season before school begins, so the players have been together without the rest of the student body (I know that at the very small college I went to the teams that moved in a few weeks before school started had very few friends outside of their own team, but the athletes who played winter and spring sports had lots of friends who weren't on their teams because they moved in the same time as everyone else).
  
  I also don't understand what you mean by "among the students." They may not live in campus housing, but they take the same classes as everyone else. There are over 40,000 undergrads at OSU, and 115 football players. Notre Dame has less than 12,000 total students (undergrads and grad students combined) and 115 football players. Obviously they are going to be more visible on both campuses.
  
  I think that Notre Dame players going out to the Linebacker Inn or any other local establishment would be no different than an OSU football player going to Ugly Tuna. They would get recognized, a few people would want to take pictures, and some would want autographs. Trust me, I know, my brother-in-law was one of about 10 people who got Jimmy Clausen's autograph last year while he was putting gas in his car (my brother-in-law saw him while driving and went back to stop and get his autograph). It's the same at every major football university in America. I live in Columbus and I've spent a lot of time at Notre Dame and it's no different. If anything the ND players are under more of a microscope because they are at a smaller university and in a much smaller town. That makes them even more visible.
  
  No big time college athlete at a major school lives a life as a normal student does, but they are also not normal students. They live the life of a typical college football player. Trust me, their experience at OSU is no different than at Notre Dame, Texas, Florida, Alabama, Nebraska, etc.
• vball10set

  Y-Town Steelhound;583273 wrote:Yes they do. I've never actually played but I was there when someone won once. They took the lobster straight to the back and cooked it!

  that's awesome--I wonder how much they actually spent on it before they won though?
• lhslep134

  

  thedynasty1998;583215 wrote:Are you disagreeing? So, on a random Wednesday night Mike Adams can go to Ugly Tuna and enjoy life as any other student there would?

  
  Yes dude, I've seen them out and about during the week when it's not football season and on weekends when it is.
  
  They get left alone, maybe some girls want pictures, but I can't picture it being any different than elsewhere.
• lhslep134

  

  Tobias Fünke;583276 wrote:
  I loved rooting for Krenzel, he was a guy you could not hate. National champion quarterback with a degree in molecular genetics? Fuck yes. Not some Glenville kid promised fifteen bitches a week and a sure shot at the NFL. Now I'm ranting again haha

  
  
  I feel you, except I'm a bit more okay with it (the players not doing work) if they have a realistic chance to go pro. These guys work their ass off trying to earn a future paycheck (in athletics), so why work their ass off in the classroom when that's not their future?
  
  Would you put time and effort into something you know won't matter (again, realistically)?
• thedynasty1998

  

  Maybe my "rock star" comment was taking it too far. But they are not your regular students. I know enough former players to know what goes on. And I know a tutor who tells me stories. They are treated differently.
• centralbucksfan

  Tobias Fünke;583276 wrote:I know my share of ND athletes too, but preferential treatment isn't "sheltered, rarely live on campus, live a life of luxury and are always being watched." They have to do these things normal students do, called "homework" and "studying." Then there's Ohio State, where I sat next to David Lighty for a class last summer (very cool dude) and he had a different one of his girls write the notes for him because it was, as he put it "just business."
  
  I just don't have much respect for student-athletes when they're not students. That's not limited to Ohio State. I just have more respect for a student-athlete at Stanford, Notre Dame, Duke, Cornell (they're at least good at wrestling), etc. than I do for Florida and the "elites." I could care less if you're elite or not; shit, I'm a Notre Dame fan for God's sake.
  
  I loved rooting for Krenzel, he was a guy you could not hate. National champion quarterback with a degree in molecular genetics? Fuck yes. Not some Glenville kid promised fifteen bitches a week and a sure shot at the NFL. Now I'm ranting again haha

  "They have to do these things normal students do, called "homework" and "studying." "
  
  LOL ya..go ahead and believe what you want. I personally, and factually know better.
  
  As for Lighty..big friggin deal. Any number of regular students does the same, can do the same. Its not just football/basketball players in college who have people write papers for them or whatever.
• krambman

  

  thedynasty1998;583394 wrote:Maybe my "rock star" comment was taking it too far. But they are not your regular students. I know enough former players to know what goes on. And I know a tutor who tells me stories. They are treated differently.

  
  But they aren't regular students. They are also athletes. It's the same at any school in the country with a major athletic program. Heck, I went to an NAIA college with 700 students where men's soccer was the big sport and they were hardly seen on campus during the season, got preferential treatment when it came to being approved to live off campus, and were often treated differently by the faculty. It happens everywhere and to think differently is naive.
  

  lhslep134;583337 wrote:I feel you, except I'm a bit more okay with it (the players not doing work) if they have a realistic chance to go pro. These guys work their ass off trying to earn a future paycheck (in athletics), so why work their ass off in the classroom when that's not their future?
  
  Would you put time and effort into something you know won't matter (again, realistically)?

  
  I'm with you. I don't understand why people get upset when guys leave early or when they don't necessarily work as hard in the classroom if they are going to go pro. Look, the real purpose of college isn't to get an education for the sake of getting an education, it's to get an education to get a better job than you could get without going to college. If you're an architecture major and a major firm offers you a job beginning immediately after your junior year of college paying $1 million and a guarantee of advancement, and they tell you that you won't need to finish school or ever complete your degree for the job, you're going to quit school and take the job. Why is it any different for athletes. Some people go to college to study architecture to get a job as an architect, or medicine to become a doctor, or law to be become a lawyer. Some go to college to become great athletes and play professional sports. If that's there end goal does it really matter if they go to class?
• athlete37

  

  Tobias Fünke;583153 wrote:I would wonder what athlete37 thinks about that.

  
  They lived in the same dorms with us and took the same classes with us. Required to live in dorms for three years. Ate as same dining halls at us, many times same tables. My classes usually had 2-3 football players on average (usually classes of 20-40). Given random roommates freshmen year just like everyone else. I think they got unlimited flex points tho (could be used at campus BK/Subway/Carryout etc). Not outta the norm to see 30-40 percent of the team on a daily basis. Real down to earth people. In fact, Golden wished me a happy birthday in September from Seattle. Not very uncommon for those dudes to be just like a normal student