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  • Skyhook79
    karen lotz;580436 wrote:Easy schedule? Sagarin has it 22nd, whatever link was posted by an OSU fan to defend OSU's schedule yesterday had Notre Dame at #1. 11 out of 12 opponents would be bowl eligible if not for sanctions against USC and the only team that wasn't bowl eligible wasn't Eastern Michigan but a Big Ten team. It is a really sad day when someone who knows nothing about college football comes to the defense of someone like sleeper.


    Sagarin Ratings???? He is about as accurate as John Hollinger.
    Is Sagarin the same guy that has Stanford at #2 and Auburn at # 3 and he doesn't even have Auburn that close to Stanford point wise? Oh and he has 9-3 Alabama at #5.
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt10.htm Brilliant formula.

    ND played 3 road games out of 12 and only 2 of those 12 games were against good teams. Easy schedule.
  • krambman
    killer_ewok;580719 wrote:Some of the posts on here IMO implied that ND fans were "bragging" about going to a Bowl and that we're making it a bigger deal than it is. No, just pleased with how they finished out the season all things considered. And excited to go to a Bowl like the Sports Champs Bowl considering we've seen 1 Bowl win in the last decade and a half and that was the Hawaii Bowl. Whatever bowl ND goes to this year it will be a step up from that. Hey, progress is progress.

    Exactly. Four weeks ago there were questions about whether or not Brian Kelly would keep his job and no one gave them a chance at a bowl game with three games left. Many thought they would lose all three. But they ended winning all three of those games and finishing with seven wins. That's absolutely something to build on going into next year. And now they get an extra month of practice that they wouldn't have gotten had they missed out on a bowl game.

    And I'm glad you agree with me. Unlike most on here I have the ability to be somewhat objective and I do a pretty good job of keeping a level head and admitting when proven wrong.
  • Hamp89
    krambman;580778 wrote:Exactly. Four weeks ago there were questions about whether or not Brian Kelly would keep his job and no one gave them a chance at a bowl game with three games left. Many thought they would lose all three. But they ended winning all three of those games and finishing with seven wins. That's absolutely something to build on going into next year. And now they get an extra month of practice that they wouldn't have gotten had they missed out on a bowl game.

    And I'm glad you agree with me. Unlike most on here I have the ability to be somewhat objective and I do a pretty good job of keeping a level head and admitting when proven wrong.

    Good post. This is about exactly how I feel. No one is getting overly excited, but there is definitely reason to feel good about how the season has finished up, all things considered.
  • karen lotz
    Skyhook79;580764 wrote:Sagarin Ratings???? He is about as accurate as John Hollinger.
    Is Sagarin the same guy that has Stanford at #2 and Auburn at # 3 and he doesn't even have Auburn that close to Stanford point wise? Oh and he has 9-3 Alabama at #5.
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt10.htm Brilliant formula.

    ND played 3 road games out of 12 and only 2 of those 12 games were against good teams. Easy schedule.
    Couple things. Notre Dame played 4 road games out of 12 and a home game at Yankee Stadium against Army. At Michigan State, At Boston College, At Navy (New Meadowlands Stadium), and At USC. Ohio State played 4 road games out of 12 and only one of those games were against a good team. What would you call that schedule if you say ND's is easy?

    Use whatever SOS ranking system you want to use, I used Sagarin's because its often cited by CFB "experts" and its easy to find. If you look at the composite records that ranks teams purely by win/loss totals of opponents, Notre Dame is ranked 1st (1th). This ranking system was used by a OSU fan this weekend to defend OSU's slate against that of Boise and TCU.
  • krambman
    Skyhook79;580764 wrote:Sagarin Ratings???? He is about as accurate as John Hollinger.
    Is Sagarin the same guy that has Stanford at #2 and Auburn at # 3 and he doesn't even have Auburn that close to Stanford point wise? Oh and he has 9-3 Alabama at #5.
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt10.htm Brilliant formula.

    ND played 3 road games out of 12 and only 2 of those 12 games were against good teams. Easy schedule.

    His rankings are different than his strength of schedule rankings. The big problem with his rankings are that they are more concerned with SOS than actual wins and losses. If you disagree with his schedule strength rankings, and since we've established that there are no perfect SOS rankings, so don't just tell us why his rankings are crap, because the argument isn't really about his rankings. The argument is about whether Notre Dame played a difficult or an easy schedule, and Karen provided Sagarin's rankings as proof that they played a difficult schedule. If you think Notre Dame played a week schedule don't just call Sagarin's ratings crap, provide other schedule rankings that prove Notre Dame played a weak schedule as you claim.
  • ytownfootball
    karen lotz;580810 wrote:Couple things. Notre Dame played 4 road games out of 12 and a home game at Yankee Stadium against Army. At Michigan State, At Boston College, At Navy (New Meadowlands Stadium), and At USC. Ohio State played 4 road games out of 12 and only one of those games were against a good team. What would you call that schedule if you say ND's is easy?

    Use whatever SOS ranking system you want to use, I used Sagarin's because its often cited by CFB "experts" and its easy to find. If you look at the composite records that ranks teams purely by win/loss totals of opponents, Notre Dame is ranked 1st (1th). This ranking system was used by a OSU fan this weekend to defend OSU's slate against that of Boise and TCU.

    For the love of all things holy, would you stop using OSU as your comparison? You bring on what you get every time you bring up OSU. My God you just won't quit. Leave OSU out of it and you wouldn't have half the BS you put up with on this board.
  • karen lotz
    krambman;580778 wrote:Exactly. Four weeks ago there were questions about whether or not Brian Kelly would keep his job and no one gave them a chance at a bowl game with three games left. Many thought they would lose all three. But they ended winning all three of those games and finishing with seven wins. That's absolutely something to build on going into next year. And now they get an extra month of practice that they wouldn't have gotten had they missed out on a bowl game.

    And I'm glad you agree with me. Unlike most on here I have the ability to be somewhat objective and I do a pretty good job of keeping a level head and admitting when proven wrong.
    good post. We'll save you a seat on the bandwagon.
  • karen lotz
    ytownfootball;580821 wrote:For the love of all things holy, would you stop using OSU as your comparison? You bring on what you get every time you bring up OSU. My God you just won't quit. Leave OSU out of it and you wouldn't have half the BS you put up with on this board.

    I'm not comparing OSU's football team to ND's football team. I've said it before and I'll say it again now, OSU is better than Notre Dame is right now and it's been like that for a while. When someone is calling Notre Dame's schedule soft and easy and whatever else on an Ohio message board, why is it not ok to compare the two schedules?
  • krambman
    karen lotz;580822 wrote:good post. We'll save you a seat on the bandwagon.

    Trust me, if my sister didn't marry a Notre Dame fan you probably wouldn't be getting so much love from me right now because I would know far less about ND right now. Since I have a brother-in-;aw who's a Domer I hear more about ND football than I really want to.
  • karen lotz
    krambman;580843 wrote:Trust me, if my sister didn't marry a Notre Dame fan you probably wouldn't be getting so much love from me right now because I would know far less about ND right now. Since I have a brother-in-;aw who's a Domer I hear more about ND football than I really want to.
    All that does is show you actually know something about Notre Dame unlike a few on here and are still able to be objective.
  • vball10set
    karen lotz;580822 wrote:We'll save you a seat on the bandwagon.
    it's not the same seat you're holding for sleeper, is it? :p
  • centralbucksfan
    ytownfootball;580821 wrote:For the love of all things holy, would you stop using OSU as your comparison? You bring on what you get every time you bring up OSU. My God you just won't quit. Leave OSU out of it and you wouldn't have half the BS you put up with on this board.

    Bingo, we have a winner! There is a reason some of us OSU "trolls" show up. Bring OSU into it, you bring OSU fans into it. ;)
  • ytownfootball
    centralbucksfan;580861 wrote:Bingo, we have a winner! There is a reason some of us OSU "trolls" show up. Bring OSU into it, you bring OSU fans into it. ;)

    I mean, he said Ohio State three times in half a dozen sentences...certainly you can make a point with out bringing Ohio State into it. It only proves you're trying to stir the pot despite claims to the contrary.
  • vball10set
    ^^^the bar has been set...OSU's the benchmark for those program's on the rise--think of it as a form of flattery :o
  • karen lotz
    ytownfootball;580867 wrote:I mean, he said Ohio State three times in half a dozen sentences...certainly you can make a point with out bringing Ohio State into it. It only proves you're trying to stir the pot despite claims to the contrary.


    I'm using OSU as a comparison because OSU fans are the ones discrediting ND because of their "soft" schedule. Also, this is an Ohio forum, as its been pointed out numerous times. Why is it so horrible to mention them when most of the people on here are more familiar with OSU than any other team? Stirring the pot and disagreeing with someone is different. It went from ND's schedule being weak, to me using a couple widely cited ranking systems to show that it wasn't weak, to some OSU fans saying the ranking systems aren't accurate, to other OSU fans saying when ranking systems should be used, to Notre Dame's season being discredited.
  • ytownfootball
    karen lotz;580881 wrote:I'm using OSU as a comparison because OSU fans are the ones discrediting ND because of their "soft" schedule. Also, this is an Ohio forum, as its been pointed out numerous times. Why is it so horrible to mention them when most of the people on here are more familiar with OSU than any other team? Stirring the pot and disagreeing with someone is different. It went from ND's schedule being weak, to me using a couple widely cited ranking systems to show that it wasn't weak, to some OSU fans saying the ranking systems aren't accurate, to other OSU fans saying when ranking systems should be used, to Notre Dame's season being discredited.


    Fine? That doesn't mean we've all forgotten nor ignored your posting history. Just so happens that many times you'll find yourself embroiled yet again in an OSU/ND pissing match that you'll look bad in because you can't ignore a poster or two....

    but when OSU does it...

    what if OSU didn't have TP...

    Ohio State blah blah blah....

    blah, blah Ohio State blah blah blah...

    Honestly, it makes you appear as big of an idiot as those you're responding to...just leave OSU out of it
  • sleeper
    karen lotz;580849 wrote:All that does is show you actually know something about Notre Dame unlike a few on here and are still able to be objective.

    When is any ND fan going to learn to be objective? Probably the most delusional fan base in all of sports, "Just wait til next year, the cupboard is bare because Ty was there, 7-5 is a great season, 10 year contract extensions for a close loss, etc.." I mean seriously, is there any other fan base that boasts about a close loss?

    As far as the comparisons to OSU, they are brought up by ND fans more than OSU fans. OSU fans KNOW they are on a whole other level than a mid major school at best, but when ND fans talk shit, using OSU is the easiest way to put them in their place.
  • karen lotz
    Ok, why use other teams to compare? This is an Ohio board dominated in numbers by OSU fans. It makes sense to try to see how different situations would look to OSU fans if they are looked at from an OSU fan's perspective. For instance, if a team loses its best player/quarterback, which would be easier for most fans on here to understand the impact on that team: Pryor getting hurt or Nick Foles/Jake Locker/Kellen Moore?
  • Tigerfan00
    the school day must be over for sleeper.
  • ytownfootball
    karen lotz;580903 wrote:Ok, why use other teams to compare? This is an Ohio board dominated in numbers by OSU fans. It makes sense to try to see how different situations would look to OSU fans if they are looked at from an OSU fan's perspective. For instance, if a team loses its best player/quarterback, which would be easier for most fans on here to understand the impact on that team: Pryor getting hurt or Nick Foles/Jake Locker/Kellen Moore?

    If that's how you want to roll, fine. No skin off my scrote. You'll just get railed and led off on a tangent as always. Hell, the ONLY reason I'm posting anything on this thread is because of your incessant use of Ohio State as your baseline for everything you're (trying to prove?).

    Fact is you and the rest of the ND posters suffer for your choice, so be it.
  • dlazz
    karen lotz;580699 wrote:100% correct about???

    did you even read what I quoted in my original post?
    Skyhook79;580381 wrote:Its a sad day for College Football when Notre Dame fans are calling people out because they won 7 games when given their easy schedule they should have won 10 games minimum.
  • karen lotz
    dlazz;580957 wrote:did you even read what I quoted in my original post?

    Yes I did. What is he right about? The call out was because of the bet. He was also wrong about the easy schedule and that they should have won 10 games minimum.
  • sjmvsfscs08
    Oh yeah, we're suffering. Have mercy on us oh magnanimous ytown! :)

    vball used to get upset about us talking about Ohio State, and I think he realized we never said anything bad about how the team is, just comparing similar situations. I don't see anything wrong with comparing Tressel's career up to 2001 with Brian Kelly. I don't see anything wrong with comparing schedules. I don't see anything wrong with saying Ohio State would have trouble if Pryor, Herron, Posey, Stoneburner, and a slew of defenders were out. The fans who don't get so fucking offended say "yeah, Notre Dame has had a rash of injuries to a learning team and it's been a real issue for them." Simple as that. Plus unlike many of the people on here i will have a degree from Ohio State's Knowlton School of Architecture so I believe I can say anything I want about my school if I feel like it. But I can promise you I do not lie and I am not overly hyperbolic when stating my opinions.

    Instead you have assholes like sleeper blatantly lying about Notre Dame (AND Ohio State) and those of us who appreciate factual conversations will correct him every time. I don't care if that's what he's after, when someone goes uncorrected it starts to become accepted as fact when it simply isn't. Make no mistake, all of this is 100% sleeper/ccrunner/tiernan's fault. Sleeper and tiernan do it for kicks. ccrunner though know nothing about football; literally zero knowledge of the sport--I'd like to be the fly on the wall when he tries to explain it in gym class.

    I can promise you that if sleeper, ccrunner, and tiernan stopped posting on Notre Dame threads that the amount of ND-OSU banter would decrease by 99%. No question.
  • dlazz
    These ND fans are really delusional. Notre Dame's schedule was trash. They SHOULD have won 10 games.
  • karen lotz
    dlazz;580987 wrote: Notre Dame's schedule was trash.


    link?