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  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;580600 wrote:January 1st or immediately? They are two different times.

    Interesting, never thought of it like that. Effective on January 1st, immediately.
  • sleeper
    killer_ewok;580609 wrote:Crist got hurt vs. Michigan and missed a quarter and half of the game. When he was in the game, ND's offense did very well against Michigan. When Tommy Rees and Nate Montana went in due to his injury, they turned the ball over and couldn't do squat.

    Also, who's arguing that ND is better than OSU? And if ND heads to the Champs Sports Bowl...that's not that junky of a bowl. Miami(FL) played Wisconsin in that bowl last year.
    It's a sad day when ND fans think the Champs Sports Bowl is not that junky.

    Only in South Bend..
  • killer_ewok
    sleeper;580614 wrote:It's a sad day when ND fans think the Champs Sports Bowl is not that junky.

    Only in South Bend..

    Again, Wisconsin played in that Bowl last year vs. Miami(FL). And you've been singing Wisky's praises this year. Maybe ND can use that bowl game as a springboard for a more successful 2011 campaign. Wisconsin sure did.
  • centralbucksfan
    karen lotz;580599 wrote:ND was a full strength for the Michigan game? Maybe for the first drive when they went down the field and scored. If you remember, Crist couldn't see out of one of his eyes after that opening scoring drive and ND turned to a true freshman QB and then Nate Montana for the rest of the first half where the offense sputtered. Rudolph came into the season hobbled by his hamstring injury and ND had a starting safety out after injuring his ankle against Purdue.

    also, it would be you're good or you are good, not your.

    No offense but outside of Wisconsin and well that's about it, OSU's schedule wasn't as good as 60th or whatever its ranked.
    lol, ya, ok...I am sure UM didn't haev a single player hurt either. Shit OSU lost a handful of starters on defense as the season went on at one time or another. Its football, injuries are part of the game.
    On top of that, as BAD, BAD, BAD as the UM defense was and is....freaking Rudy should have QB's ND to 30+ points in that game!
  • centralbucksfan
    killer_ewok;580609 wrote:Crist got hurt vs. Michigan and missed a quarter and half of the game. When he was in the game, ND's offense did very well against Michigan. When Tommy Rees and Nate Montana went in due to his injury, they turned the ball over and couldn't do squat.

    Also, who's arguing that ND is better than OSU? And if ND heads to the Champs Sports Bowl...that's not that junky of a bowl. Miami(FL) played Wisconsin in that bowl last year.

    I never said it was a junky bowl. If I were a ND fan, based on how thise season shaped up, I'd take any bowl game. I wont' deny that.
  • killer_ewok
    centralbucksfan;580627 wrote:lol, ya, ok...I am sure UM didn't haev a single player hurt either. Shit OSU lost a handful of starters on defense as the season went on at one time or another. Its football, injuries are part of the game.
    On top of that, as BAD, BAD, BAD as the UM defense was and is....freaking Rudy should have QB's ND to 30+ points in that game!

    Starting QB, RB, TE (All-American caliber), NG, Slot WR......

    Those were all starters and key players/contributors. That's A LOT to overcome in one season under a new head coach and I think you're smart enough to realize that and maybe objective enough to admit it.
  • slide22
    Who gives a shit? OSU would hang 50 on Notre Dame.
  • killer_ewok
    centralbucksfan;580629 wrote:I never said it was a junky bowl. If I were a ND fan, based on how thise season shaped up, I'd take any bowl game. I wont' deny that.

    Well, it's a decent bowl IMO. Two decent teams/programs played in it last year.
  • sjmvsfscs08
    slide22;580637 wrote:Who gives a shit? OSU would hang 50 on Notre Dame.

    Doubt it. I think it'd be along the same lines as the Stanford game.


    Only on a sleeper thread would we start comparing Ohio State and Notre Dame yet again. Please just fucking stop already. Everyone here knows Ohio State is better than Notre Dame.
  • karen lotz
    centralbucksfan;580627 wrote:lol, ya, ok...I am sure UM didn't haev a single player hurt either. Shit OSU lost a handful of starters on defense as the season went on at one time or another. Its football, injuries are part of the game.
    On top of that, as BAD, BAD, BAD as the UM defense was and is....freaking Rudy should have QB's ND to 30+ points in that game!


    How would OSU's season turned out if they had lost Pryor? I'm not saying Crist is on Pryor's level, but he was the clear starter and had some very young and inexperienced guys behind him.
  • thedynasty1998
    Yea, why is OSU being compared to ND? I read most of this thread and really don't understand it. Notre Dame probably overachieved this year, given the talent on the roster and injuries. Does it make it a good year, by ND standards? No. But it's a solid year, nonetheless. Not sure why it has to be discounted.
  • sleeper
    killer_ewok;580622 wrote:Again, Wisconsin played in that Bowl last year vs. Miami(FL). And you've been singing Wisky's praises this year. Maybe ND can use that bowl game as a springboard for a more successful 2011 campaign. Wisconsin sure did.

    Yeah except Wisconsin won the bowl game, something ND won't accomplish if they play anyone half as good as Miami. And even if ND does win, Wisconsin is 100x better than ND. If they played, no doubt in my mind Wisconsin puts up 70+ and has their 2nd string in by half.
  • vball10set
    the dynasty, yours is prolly the most lucid post on this thread...ND's going bowling, and they've won three games in a row--if nothing else, it's something to build on. BK's got them moving in the right direction, and, IMO, that's all you can ask of a first year coach.
  • karen lotz
    vball10set;580667 wrote:the dynasty, yours is prolly the most lucid post on this thread...ND's going bowling, and they've won three games in a row--if nothing else, it's something to build on. BK's got them moving in the right direction, and, IMO, that's all you can ask of a first year coach.
    Good post and I don't think any ND fan is saying anything different.
  • thedynasty1998
    karen lotz;580673 wrote:Good post and I don't think any ND fan is saying anything different.

    I would tend to think most Notre Dame fans are more satisfied than dissatisfied. However, Notre Dame probably should have won another game, and then it's probably considered a successful season.

    I just wonder how the off the field stuff factors into Kelly's "approval rating"?

    I will say there is a reason to be optimistic heading into next year, as a ND fan.
  • dlazz
    Skyhook79;580381 wrote:Its a sad day for College Football when Notre Dame fans are calling people out because they won 7 games when given their easy schedule they should have won 10 games minimum.

    sleeper probably deserved being called out because he's a douchebag, but Skyhook is 100% correct.
  • killer_ewok
    sleeper;580663 wrote:Yeah except Wisconsin won the bowl game, something ND won't accomplish if they play anyone half as good as Miami. And even if ND does win, Wisconsin is 100x better than ND. If they played, no doubt in my mind Wisconsin puts up 70+ and has their 2nd string in by half.

    LOL. You missed my point entirely. Nevermind.

    And I think what dynasty said is spot on. As Karen said, not sure which of us "Domers" is arguing otherwise.
  • vball10set
    killer_ewok;580681 wrote:LOL. You missed my point entirely. Nevermind.

    And I think what dynasty said is spot on. As Karen said, not sure which of us "Domers" is arguing otherwise.
    and I'm not sure where it was stated that any "Domer" argued otherwise--my post was aimed at those non-Domers who did. I'm a Brian Kelly fan, and a ND fan as well--I think they got a winner with him :cool:
  • karen lotz
    thedynasty1998;580678 wrote:I would tend to think most Notre Dame fans are more satisfied than dissatisfied. However, Notre Dame probably should have won another game, and then it's probably considered a successful season.

    I just wonder how the off the field stuff factors into Kelly's "approval rating"?

    I will say there is a reason to be optimistic heading into next year, as a ND fan.

    Absolutely its easy to play the "what if" game. Michigan, Michigan State, and Tulsa were all a play away from being wins. Would I have liked ND to be 10-2 at this point? For sure. After how the season played out, 7-5, while not what anyone associated with the team wanted, is still a successful season. Notre Dame had gone 0fer the last 3 Novembers and ran off 3 wins this November. The team developed and improved over the course of the season, something that hasn't happened at ND since possibly the Lou Holtz era.

    As for the approval rating, there will always be some group of people who have a negative outlook on Kelly. These people are usually boosters who throw money at the program just to say they throw money at the program and don't see what is going on. Fans/alums/boosters/fans of other teams who actually understand football could watch the team develop over the course of the season would give Kelly a very positive approval rating.
  • karen lotz
    dlazz;580679 wrote:sleeper probably deserved being called out because he's a douchebag, but Skyhook is 100% correct.
    100% correct about???
  • krambman
    thedynasty1998;580656 wrote:Yea, why is OSU being compared to ND? I read most of this thread and really don't understand it. Notre Dame probably overachieved this year, given the talent on the roster and injuries. Does it make it a good year, by ND standards? No. But it's a solid year, nonetheless. Not sure why it has to be discounted.

    You're absolutely right. This is why I said that we need to give credit where credit is due. Given the schedule they played, the injuries they suffered, the off field issues (camera man death, rape charges), and having a new coach 7-5 is pretty impressive. It isn't up to the historical standards of Notre Dame, but it is impressive given where they have been this past decade (especially during the previous several seasons under Weis).

    And I'm not sure why people are comparing ND and OSU anyway. The interesting thing is that it's OSu fans that felt the need to bring it up. Notre Dame fans are well aware of the fact that they aren't as good as OSU is and that it's been that way for at least a decade. It's like a bully picking on the poor kid to make himself feel better.
  • killer_ewok
    vball10set;580694 wrote:and I'm not sure where it was stated that any "Domer" argued otherwise--my post was aimed at those non-Domers who did. I'm a Brian Kelly fan, and a ND fan as well--I think they got a winner with him :cool:

    Some of the posts on here IMO implied that ND fans were "bragging" about going to a Bowl and that we're making it a bigger deal than it is. No, just pleased with how they finished out the season all things considered. And excited to go to a Bowl like the Sports Champs Bowl considering we've seen 1 Bowl win in the last decade and a half and that was the Hawaii Bowl. Whatever bowl ND goes to this year it will be a step up from that. Hey, progress is progress.
  • killer_ewok
    krambman;580708 wrote:You're absolutely right. This is why I said that we need to give credit where credit is due. Given the schedule they played, the injuries they suffered, the off field issues (camera man death, rape charges), and having a new coach 7-5 is pretty impressive. It isn't up to the historical standards of Notre Dame, but it is impressive given where they have been this past decade (especially during the previous several seasons under Weis).

    And I'm not sure why people are comparing ND and OSU anyway. The interesting thing is that it's OSu fans that felt the need to bring it up. Notre Dame fans are well aware of the fact that they aren't as good as OSU is and that it's been that way for at least a decade. It's like a bully picking on the poor kid to make himself feel better.

    Holy Santa Claus shit. I couldn't agree more, Kramb. Great post.
  • centralbucksfan
    centralbucksfan;580629 wrote:I never said it was a junky bowl. If I were a ND fan, based on how thise season shaped up, I'd take any bowl game. I wont' deny that.
    killer_ewok;580636 wrote:Starting QB, RB, TE (All-American caliber), NG, Slot WR......

    Those were all starters and key players/contributors. That's A LOT to overcome in one season under a new head coach and I think you're smart enough to realize that and maybe objective enough to admit it.

    Is there something you just don't understand about my above comment?
  • killer_ewok
    No, I understand it fine. But the one comment of yours about other teams losing players here and there....ND lost practically all of their key skill players on offense and their starting NG (3-4 defense). That's different than what you pointed out about your team losing a handful of defensive players at different times as the season went on. New coach, new system, 1st year, losing Crist, Allen, Rudolph, Riddick, Ian Williams and still finding some success is a tall order. Every team does deal with injuries. Every team does not face losing all of those starters at those positions though.

    Anyways, I do agree with your comment about taking any Bowl the way the season shaped up for ND.