Wayne County League Basketball

• kurty66

  Pit - I agree about VASJ. I saw the Chanel game. They've got an unbelievable 6'8" kid and a great team around him. Dalton's got the right kind of team to slow things down and frustrate them, though. Dalton also rebounds very well for their size. I think it might be a better game than most people think - if it comes to that.
• 1486wd

  Hope your right Kurty. Good end to the regular season for the dawgs. Got to get past those first two games to have a shot at the big boys.
• beverboy1

  yes those refs were really bad i seen the loudonville coach even smiling on some of them that was against us !
• beverboy1

  if we do get too play st joe's it's going to be a very tall mountain to climb !
• cable37

  Bobcat... I think the only point that's being clearly articulated by your posts is that you're looking to stir up trouble for Coach West. I always laugh when someone references "rumbling in the crowd" as some form of validation of their point. Your vague allusions and subjective observations don't add up to a solid argument and, realizing this, you assure the readers that "other people feel this way too." I think I'd have some respect for your opinion if you just owned up to the true nature of your gripe against the coach. Did he not play your kid enough? Kick your dog? One can only speculate, I guess... but it's obvious that your position stems from something more than just well-intentioned concern.
  
  Unless I'm missing something here... we're talking about a four-loss regular season? I don't care how athletic your team is, or how many basketball players you roll onto the floor... that's a pretty darn good season. I've coached 19-1 teams that SHOULD have been 16-4... and 16-4 teams that SHOULD have been 19-1. It's a long season, and the pervasive variable is 15-18 year old young men. That's not a stellar recipe for consistent performance. The VAST majority of varsity programs in the state of Ohio won't reach 16 wins... and that same majority of varsity coaches would strongly consider which body parts they can do without in exchange for a 16 win season.
  
  In an earlier post you referenced your non-professional level of knowledge regarding the game of basketball... yet go on to speculate as to why there are no "adjustments" being made. Knowing the quality of your coach (and speaking from 19 years of HS coaching experience... he is a quality coach) I'm sure that he is carefully measuring the changes that can be made within the constraints of what has gotten him to A 16 WIN SEASON. A 400+ win varsity coach told me that you can't coach the last game you played... you have to coach to the one you're playing next. The "simple" solution of changing what you do to react to a loss is fool's gold AT BEST. The implication that all of your dreams for Norwayne basketball will be realized if you only had a different coach... well, that falls into the fool's gold category as well. We all operate differently... and no coach can be all things for all players. He's got good rapport with the kids, he's disciplined, tough and consistent... and he's winning with football players that had NO PRESEASON... yep, time to look elsewhere, I guess.
  
  It never ceases to amaze me the sense of entitlement generated by a paid admission. I'm sure if I dropped 5 bucks on the secretary's desk to come and watch you work on twenty occasions that I could find plenty about you to criticize... both personally and professionally. It's obvious that Brian West is not employed as a coach to make you happy... because he's accomplishing everything that a coach is supposed to accomplish, and you're still not happy. The truth of the matter is this... players quit or graduate, and their parents move on... Coach West will still be there, doing a good job, until he's good and ready to make a change on his own terms. Maybe then, if you've been really good, Coach K will be ready to accept this primo head coaching position and take Norwayne basketball to the promised land.
  

  Bobcat;1087950 wrote:I think you are helping me make my point kurty. Early on when games are won by who is the most athletic Norwayne was winning them all. After teams played against us and winning becomes more about adjustments and strategy we have started to lose a couple and play many closer games.
  
  I do give Dalton a lot of credit. I think it's amazing that they won the league. I'm still shocked that they were able to beat Hillsdale twice. They have some nice athletes but I still think Hillsdale is a better team. I'm not taking anything away from them it's just my opinion. I missed the Norwayne game at Dalton nut I heard we were horrible.
  
  It would be interesting to hear from some of the parents of the players on here about what they think about the coaching but I'm sure it would be tempered a little. I do know that I am not the only non parent who feels like this. If you sit and listen to the crowd you can here a lot of rumbling.....and we're winning

• thePITman

  

  ^^ Well said, cable37! And welcome to OhioChatter.
• 1486wd

  Very true words. I think part of the problem is that some of the norwayne faithful had untrealistic expectations. After the stellar football season , they had visions of an undefeated season with league and state championships. We have found that this team is just not quite as good as that vision(but a very very good team, no doubt). There has just been a little bit of a letdown in bobcat country.
• kurty66

  1486 - I think the expectations came when the team started 10-0 with some wins against good teams (including the dawgs) and blowouts against decent teams. The consensus was that it might take the team awhile to get their basketball legs after football - instead they kept the momentum. I think anyone would have been thrilled with 16-4 before the season started. I'm not sure anyone had visions of a state championship in basketball, even at 10-0. It's possible the boys got worn down a bit after months of going at it in two sports. I think they have a good coach and the ability to still excel in the district. I agree with you partly, but I think the expectations peaked in the middle of the season rather than before the season.
• 1486wd

  You could be right Kurty-I think we're on the same page here and I still think the bobcats have as good a chance as anyone to get out of that district. If it comes down to hillsdale, I wouldn't want to play the cats a third time!
• dontcare

  

  cable37;1094389 wrote:Bobcat... I think the only point that's being clearly articulated by your posts is that you're looking to stir up trouble for Coach West. I always laugh when someone references "rumbling in the crowd" as some form of validation of their point. Your vague allusions and subjective observations don't add up to a solid argument and, realizing this, you assure the readers that "other people feel this way too." I think I'd have some respect for your opinion if you just owned up to the true nature of your gripe against the coach. Did he not play your kid enough? Kick your dog? One can only speculate, I guess... but it's obvious that your position stems from something more than just well-intentioned concern.
  
  Unless I'm missing something here... we're talking about a four-loss regular season? I don't care how athletic your team is, or how many basketball players you roll onto the floor... that's a pretty darn good season. I've coached 19-1 teams that SHOULD have been 16-4... and 16-4 teams that SHOULD have been 19-1. It's a long season, and the pervasive variable is 15-18 year old young men. That's not a stellar recipe for consistent performance. The VAST majority of varsity programs in the state of Ohio won't reach 16 wins... and that same majority of varsity coaches would strongly consider which body parts they can do without in exchange for a 16 win season.
  
  In an earlier post you referenced your non-professional level of knowledge regarding the game of basketball... yet go on to speculate as to why there are no "adjustments" being made. Knowing the quality of your coach (and speaking from 19 years of HS coaching experience... he is a quality coach) I'm sure that he is carefully measuring the changes that can be made within the constraints of what has gotten him to A 16 WIN SEASON. A 400+ win varsity coach told me that you can't coach the last game you played... you have to coach to the one you're playing next. The "simple" solution of changing what you do to react to a loss is fool's gold AT BEST. The implication that all of your dreams for Norwayne basketball will be realized if you only had a different coach... well, that falls into the fool's gold category as well. We all operate differently... and no coach can be all things for all players. He's got good rapport with the kids, he's disciplined, tough and consistent... and he's winning with football players that had NO PRESEASON... yep, time to look elsewhere, I guess.
  
  It never ceases to amaze me the sense of entitlement generated by a paid admission. I'm sure if I dropped 5 bucks on the secretary's desk to come and watch you work on twenty occasions that I could find plenty about you to criticize... both personally and professionally. It's obvious that Brian West is not employed as a coach to make you happy... because he's accomplishing everything that a coach is supposed to accomplish, and you're still not happy. The truth of the matter is this... players quit or graduate, and their parents move on... Coach West will still be there, doing a good job, until he's good and ready to make a change on his own terms. Maybe then, if you've been really good, Coach K will be ready to accept this primo head coaching position and take Norwayne basketball to the promised land.

  
  Probably the best 1st post ever. I'm sure your proud of coach West.
• cable37

  You're right...He's a good coach, a great friend and an even better parent and role model. Not sure you could ask for a better man to coach young men. I'm a better person for knowing him.
• riders1

  

  Tourney update
  
  1st round winners
  Norwayne next game 3/2 , 7:30 vs Keystone
  Smithville next game 3/3 , 6:00 vs Hillsdale
  Dalton next game 3/3 , 5pm vs Cornerstone Christian
  
  Hillsdale's 1st game Saturday 6:00 vs Smithville
  
  1st round losers
  Northwestern
  Rittman
  Chippewa
  Waynedale
• thePITman

  

  Norwayne could have a tough game tonight against Keystone. Good luck to the Bobcats!
• 1486wd

  Dalton will need to come to play as well, especially to start with. Cornerstone is the 5th seed and has 16 wins. Granted, Dalton has played a tougher schedule but you have to be solid to get that kind of record.
• Old Rider

  

  thePITman;1102853 wrote:Norwayne could have a tough game tonight against Keystone. Good luck to the Bobcats!

  I agree.
  
  However the one thing that Norwayne has that no other team in Div 3 has is 4-5 kids that won a state title in another sport and understand what to expect in the pressure/big game situations that come with tournement play!
• thePITman

  

  Old Rider;1102976 wrote:However the one thing that Norwayne has that no other team in Div 3 has is 4-5 kids that won a state title in another sport and understand what to expect in the pressure/big game situations that come with tournement play!

  Couldn't agree more. Sometimes a special class comes along that, somehow, just finds ways to win. They may not be the best ball players in a particular sport, but they are ultimate competitors, "gamers", and winners (whatever term you wish to use). This often spans across sports, too. Rooting for all the Wayne County area schools this postseason!
• dhs22p

  

  How do you guys think the WCAL teams will do this week?
• riders1

  

  Dalton vs VASJ , maybe close for awhile, but Vikings Flannigan and overall quickness and depth will knock out the Bulldogs
  Norwayne vs Wellington tossup good close game
  Hillsdale vs Orrville the same ( slight edge to Orrville )
• 1486wd

  Didn't vasj win the state title in d2 a few years ago?
• beverboy1

  2009-2010-2011 all 3 yrs district runner ups in d-lll and lost to clev cc all 3 yrs
• beverboy1

  2007-08 made it to the final 4 2006 state runner ups.they won state in 91,92,94,95 i don't know what div.
• riders1

  

  St Joe's 1st final 4 was 1979 as AAA , Clark Kellog had 51 in a losing effort in the finals
  
  1987 were AAA
  1989 were DI and 2nd
  1991 were DI , 1st
  1992 were DII , 1st
  1994 were DII , 1st
  1995 were DII , 1st
  2006 were DIII , 2nd
  2007 were DIII, lost in semis to Liberty Benton
  2008 were DIII , lost in semis to Garaway
  
  This is their 1st year in DIV, so they have definitely gotten smaller, in enrollment not player size.
• beverboy1

  you are right on player size ! they didn't get any smaller there.:thumbdown:
• dhs22p

  

  Well its game day! Lets Go Dogs! Hopefully the Dogs can carry the torch for the WCAL!
• Old Rider

  

  dhs22p;1107841 wrote:Well its game day! Lets Go Dogs! Hopefully the Dogs can carry the torch for the WCAL!

  This game was over long before tip-off.