Wayne County League Basketball

• THE4RINGZ

  

  Any rumors that other schools might be interested in Milo?
• dhs22p

  

  Here is the Dalton Bracket: Link
  
  Dogs open up with Lutheran East and are on the side of VASJ. Dalton ended up with the 3rd seed and Richmond Hts. got the 1 and VASJ got the 2.
• 1486wd

  Looking at it now, it's probably best that Dalton got the third seed. They were going to have to play both anyway and I assume Nate had one of the 2 he preferred to get first(however slightly) and as the third he got to choose. Dawgs have to make sure they come out fired up the first 2 rounds to be able to have a shot at playing giant killer
• beverboy1

  i hope they come out alot better then they did this past weekend !!
• bobcat14

  i was talking to some freshman parents the other night from Norwayne....tournaments start this weekend for them....norwayne's freshman are undefeated this year and from what I hear they look pretty good, they have a couple of big boys underneath that play pretty good together.....has anybody seen any freshman games??? I know its freshman but they need some "love" too....HA HA....Also heard that some teams that have had freshman play JV and some that play Varsity and have never played freshman basketball this year, are sending them back down for the tourny......just wondering if that is allowed...does anybody know if players are only allowed so many quarters in a year..IMO i dont think that is fair if they havnt played down all year they shouldnt be allowed to play down for tourny.....anybody else have a feeling on this????
• kurty66

  I saw Norwayne's freshman play a game against Smithville and they looked pretty good. Their "big boys" are not that big - maybe 6 foot at the tallest. If it's a freshman tournament, then you would think all freshmen qualify to play. It could cause chemistry issues to throw unfamiliar players together for a tournament and may not help as much as you would think.
• thePITman

  

  Pretty sure 90 quarters is the max for a season.
• Coach_08

  ^^ Yes 90 is the max for the year, 5 quarters in a night. The problem is some schools keep track and other schools do not at all. But there is no way to police it, so I guess you go by the honor system. I assume the max quarters will go up next year since we go to 22 games in a season.
• 1486wd

  It's really hard to judge fresh and jv teams. So much depends on the upperclassman in a school and how many kids are playing up. I highly doubt there is any rule about anyone playing-if they're freshmen, they can play. I doubt anyone is going to pull down kids thathavent at least played a little with the freshmen team due to chemistry issues, but a coach may also determine a kid needs all the minutes hecan get.
• Bobcat

  I've been away a long time. Tax seasons kickin my butt. I'm sure I've missed a bunch but just glancing through previous posts I dont see a whole lot about the tourney. I have no idea who will win out at Wooster. I'll be rooting for the Cats but I'm not holding my breath. I've seen some of the recent games but not as many as I would like. They haven't looked good in the last couple games I've seen. They don't look like they are having much fun. The coach looks miserable and so do the kids. Definitely not the same atmosphere that we had during football season. If you saw the way everyone acts you'd think they were 2-15 not 15-2. I spoke with a friend of mine at lunch today that told me he heard that West threw everyone out of practice at the end yesterday. It appears to me that the pressure is a little too much for Norwaynes staff. What are the rest of you Norwayne faithful hearing? It's too bad because this team is Super Athletic.
• kurty66

  I think the pressure is off of the cats - they're probably playing for 2nd place in the conference. They need to get past that disappointment and have a good weekend against Hillsdale and Wellington. Recently they've played in half court games and that doesn't suit them. I still think that if they can speed up the pace a little and make just an average amount of shots they'll be a handful for anyone. Most of us expected them to start slow because of football and get better. They started fast and then fell into a slump, but they have time to get strong again for the districts. They don't have any individual stand-outs, except maybe for Maxwell and Davis. The football players, though, have shown an ability to play their best when it matters at neutral sites.
• Bobcat

  They are definitely out of the conference race. I wasn't really talking about that. I agree with your anology about the half court game. The athleticism on this team is being wasted. They are definitely athletic!! That's where the coaching comes in. I personally dont believe the coach knows how to coach these kids. I haven't really seen him change anything in the games that I've been to. It doesn't seem like he makes adjustments. He keeps doing the same thing hoping for different results. What's with forcing the ball down in the right corner?....I don't get it. Am I missing something? Where are the screens up top for the guards? Why do they insist on forcing passes down low? I'm not a basketball genius but sometimes watching them is very difficult. The kids look scared to death. They make a mistake and West loses his mind......well at least on some of them. He has 2 or 3 kids I think he uses too much. How many lay ups can you miss before you need to take a break? How many times can you come off the bench and loft 3's everytime you touch the ball and miss and continue to play heavy minutes? Does he have a beef with some of these kids. What kind of guy is he? It seems to me that he is in constant melt down and the kids know it. I dont know any of the coaches and I'm not real close to the program but I've seen the same problems for the past several years. It might be time to change up the offense a little and lighten up. Kids feed off of coaches and Norwaynes kids do not look comfortable.
• bobcat14

  Bobcat;1087819 wrote:They are definitely out of the conference race. I wasn't really talking about that. I agree with your anology about the half court game. The athleticism on this team is being wasted. They are definitely athletic!! That's where the coaching comes in. I personally dont believe the coach knows how to coach these kids. I haven't really seen him change anything in the games that I've been to. It doesn't seem like he makes adjustments. He keeps doing the same thing hoping for different results. What's with forcing the ball down in the right corner?....I don't get it. Am I missing something? Where are the screens up top for the guards? Why do they insist on forcing passes down low? I'm not a basketball genius but sometimes watching them is very difficult. The kids look scared to death. They make a mistake and West loses his mind......well at least on some of them. He has 2 or 3 kids I think he uses too much. How many lay ups can you miss before you need to take a break? How many times can you come off the bench and loft 3's everytime you touch the ball and miss and continue to play heavy minutes? Does he have a beef with some of these kids. What kind of guy is he? It seems to me that he is in constant melt down and the kids know it. I dont know any of the coaches and I'm not real close to the program but I've seen the same problems for the past several years. It might be time to change up the offense a little and lighten up. Kids feed off of coaches and Norwaynes kids do not look comfortable.

  AHMEN!!!!!!
• kurty66

  Bobcat;1087819 wrote:They are definitely out of the conference race. I wasn't really talking about that. I agree with your anology about the half court game. The athleticism on this team is being wasted. They are definitely athletic!! That's where the coaching comes in. I personally dont believe the coach knows how to coach these kids. I haven't really seen him change anything in the games that I've been to. It doesn't seem like he makes adjustments. He keeps doing the same thing hoping for different results. What's with forcing the ball down in the right corner?....I don't get it. Am I missing something? Where are the screens up top for the guards? Why do they insist on forcing passes down low? I'm not a basketball genius but sometimes watching them is very difficult. The kids look scared to death. They make a mistake and West loses his mind......well at least on some of them. He has 2 or 3 kids I think he uses too much. How many lay ups can you miss before you need to take a break? How many times can you come off the bench and loft 3's everytime you touch the ball and miss and continue to play heavy minutes? Does he have a beef with some of these kids. What kind of guy is he? It seems to me that he is in constant melt down and the kids know it. I dont know any of the coaches and I'm not real close to the program but I've seen the same problems for the past several years. It might be time to change up the offense a little and lighten up. Kids feed off of coaches and Norwaynes kids do not look comfortable.

  Well, I'm probably no closer to the program than you are - I know a few bobcats are closer and maybe they could answer you more specifically. I'm not ready to blame the coach. Norwayne won some big games early in the year (Loudonville-away, West holmes-neutral and Orrville-home) and dominated their early conference games. The Dalton home game wasn't really close - and it turns out that Dalton is really good. Part of that may be that other teams have adjusted to Norwayne. They are athletically more gifted and usuallay bigger than most teams they have faced. Orrville was right there with them. But they don't have a lot of "basketball players." I think the one boy that you might be complaining about made huge 3-pointers that were the difference in some of the early games - he's the best shooter on the team. I really think they should have won a road game against Dalton or Hillsdale - losing one of those games wasn't the end of the world. But again, give Dalton credit because they won some big games. Let's see how the cats finish their year.
• Bobcat

  I think you are helping me make my point kurty. Early on when games are won by who is the most athletic Norwayne was winning them all. After teams played against us and winning becomes more about adjustments and strategy we have started to lose a couple and play many closer games.
  
  I do give Dalton a lot of credit. I think it's amazing that they won the league. I'm still shocked that they were able to beat Hillsdale twice. They have some nice athletes but I still think Hillsdale is a better team. I'm not taking anything away from them it's just my opinion. I missed the Norwayne game at Dalton nut I heard we were horrible.
  
  It would be interesting to hear from some of the parents of the players on here about what they think about the coaching but I'm sure it would be tempered a little. I do know that I am not the only non parent who feels like this. If you sit and listen to the crowd you can here a lot of rumbling.....and we're winning
• dontcare

  

  Bobcat;1087950 wrote: It would be interesting to hear from some of the parents of the players on here about what they think about the coaching but I'm sure it would be tempered a little. I do know that I am not the only non parent who feels like this. If you sit and listen to the crowd you can here a lot of rumbling.....and we're winning

  Norwayne could be undefeated and you would still hear whining and moaning from the parents. That is just how it is at Norwayne.
• thePITman

  

  I haven't seen Norwayne yet this year, but they're still winning. They have 2 losses. Only 2 losses. The Bobcats started 10-0 against average competition, and suddenly everyone thought they were state title contenders? They beat Dalton, and lost to Dalton (16-2). They lost to Hillsdale (13-4), so maybe they'll beat them this time around. It's not uncommon for good teams to lose to a conference foe... they know each other very well, and thus game-planning is a little different. Don't panic, Bobcat fans. You are in very good hands with Coach West. You still got the #1 seed and a favorable path in the tournament. Triway has made the district championship game 7 of the last 9 seasons, and averaged 7 losses per season in those 7 DC-game seasons. It's all about getting the team ready for the tournament.
  
  Don't panic.
• 1486wd

  Dalton is successful because they are the essence of team - the top two assist makers in the area both play for Dalton. Their individual players are good, not spectacular (outside of Moyer who quite often is and is the best all around player in the area when you look at the combination of scoring, assists, rebounding). Norwayne is the most athletic team in the area, there is little doubt. I do think that Dalton and Hillsdale have better basketball players. Dalton has 5 good starters, Hillsdale has three that can really make a difference. IMO, that's the reason the bulldogs beat them twice and won the league. Definitely 3 very good teams at the top of the conference. Its very impressive for Dalton this year - no returning starters and only 2 lettermen from last year. I actually think the bulldogs will be even better next year and will most assuredly be deeper.
• WayneCounty

  I have to say 1486wd I believe you are not giving the other players on Dalton enough credit. I totally agree with you that Moyer is a very good player and he is very smooth but he is not the only part in the least bit. This is what happens when a team comes together! No one gave us a chance this year and look where we are. Each player offers an extremely important part to the team. Masters handles the ball very well and normally guards the other teams best guard. Hammer is one of if not the best shooter in the area when he is on evident by his league leading amount of made 3's. Bowe is a beast on the boards and is spectacular at what he does. Troyer finishes and scores at the rim better than pretty much everyone in the county evident by his 70% field goal percentage and is always guarding someone 4 to 5 inches taller than him. And Metzger has made great strides as he is playing very well the past few games. In regards to next year I think they will be very good again it all depends on how the underclassman make the transition from JV to varsity they have to get acquainted to the speed and physicality of the game, if they can to that they will be very good. GO DAWGS!!!!
• Flash

  

  Norwayne reminds me of the Orrville team of a few years ago with one or two b-ball players and 4-5 athletes which powered their way to state on pure athleticism. West will have them ready to play in the tournament and the players have that tough attitude that will make them respond when the time is right. I'm with Kurty- Orrville- Norwayne final.
• 1486wd

  Don't disagree with anything you said waynecounty and it surely wasn't my intent to minimize the others. I have been singing their praises all year. I have been quite impressed with metzgers play of the bench as well - he will be a key for them next year.
• 1486wd

  Also to norwayne fans- you have a really good young coach in west that has a ton of passion. He's gonna be a good one
• Bobcat

  Spoken like a true Daltonite 1486. We have a Dalton grad who takes The favorite to win the league, easily the most athletic team in the league and finishes second. your coach takes an undersized hard working team that isnt even in the leaguue title picture and wins it all. Just because West comes from Dalton that doesnt mean he can coach. Congrats to your coach and your team
• 1486wd

  haha - I realize he does have a good background. But seriously, I do think your being a little hard on west as he has had a real solid young career - coaches are like players, they get better with practice and I think west will too. Nate stutz took a fair amount of heat his first few years, but has steadily improved to being one of the best coaches in the league now at the still young age of 33. Have patience my friend!
• dontcare

  

  Anybody got a Norwayne/Hillsdale result? and details?