Is Homosexuality a Choice or Are You Born That Way?

• GoChiefs

  

  dtdtim wrote: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, after reading this thread, it's not just with me. Enjoy your sleep.

  So..basically..you can't prove or show me where I was being a hypocrite? Ok..got it. Thanks.
• dtdtim

  I just did. Read the post.
  
  Look, I don't have anything against you. Do I think you're being a hypocrite? Yes. Do I think you're a horrible person for thinking differently from me? Absolutely not. I just like to debate.
• GoChiefs

  

  I'm all for the debate..I'm trying to figure out how you think I'm being a hypocrite. And you've yet to answer me. So how are we supposed to debate that? Lol
• dtdtim

  Let's rehash the situation.
  A. There are many gay people that would say it is not a choice they made and, being gay, are an expert on the situation and would know better than you because you are not gay.
  
  B. On the obesity topic you say you know more about the subject because you are.
  
  C. On this topic you refuse to believe the view point of a majority of gay people (who would be the experts making your alleged 'choice') because you disagree with it.
  
  D. You then proceed to say that it doesn't matter what they say your opinion will not change even though those that are actually gay have a differing opinion of their lifestyle than you do. You also proceed to say 'I don't care if you think it's hypocritical or not'.
  
  
  Chiefs, this is clearly an explanation. If you can't understand how this doesn't seem hypocritical I don't know what else you would like me to do to convey it to you.
• cats gone wild

  If a guy can look at Jessica Alba/Simpson/Beil and say "yuck, i would rather have a dude", then that person needs serious help.
  
  
  
  
  Its a choice btw.
• pmoney25

  

  Does anyone else want to just go ahead and go on the Gay Cruise? It should be a fun time. After the cruise I will just go back to my wife and be straight but a weekend of gay debauchery sounds like a great time!
• gut

  pmoney25 wrote: Anyone who I know who is gay has always told me that they have never felt attracted or drawn to the opposite sex, moreso they say they actually are turned off/disgusted at the thought of being with the Opposite sex much the same way that Straight people are turned off/disgusted by being gay.

  Might be the reason women say "you can't convert a gay guy"
• cats gone wild

  A few things I wonder about is, why do gay guys act more girlie then a girl, and why do they talk with their hands and use their s's in a hiss?
  
  And women gay couples, why does one have short hair or look manly? If they are both gay, then why does a woman want a woman that looks like a guy?:
• gut

  Simple question...
  
  If being gay is a choice and we are born naturally attracted to members of the opposite sex, than why do gay people outnumber those with a bisexual preference something like 3 to 1? If being gay is a choice, then wouldn't bisexuals outnumber gays and wouldn't survey answers of being attracted to both sexes outweight those as strictly gay?
  
  If people are choosing to be gay rather than some inate chemical programming, then how do you explain their choice not to be bisexual? What incentive would there be to make a conscious decision not to be attracted to women?
• GoPens

  

  dtdtim wrote: Let's rehash the situation.
  A. There are many gay people that would say it is not a choice they made and, being gay, are an expert on the situation and would know better than you because you are not gay.
  
  B. On the obesity topic you say you know more about the subject because you are.
  
  C. On this topic you refuse to believe the view point of a majority of gay people (who would be the experts making your alleged 'choice') because you disagree with it.
  
  D. You then proceed to say that it doesn't matter what they say your opinion will not change even though those that are actually gay have a differing opinion of their lifestyle than you do. You also proceed to say 'I don't care if you think it's hypocritical or not'.
  
  
  Chiefs, this is clearly an explanation. If you can't understand how this doesn't seem hypocritical I don't know what else you would like me to do to convey it to you.

  ^^^This.
• gut

  cats gone wild wrote: A few things I wonder about is, why do gay guys act more girlie then a girl, and why do they talk with their hands and use their s's in a hiss?
  
  And women gay couples, why does one have short hair or look manly? If they are both gay, then why does a woman want a woman that looks like a guy?:

  That's a stereotype. It is fairly prevalent, at least it would seem that way because those are the ones you are more likely to notice.
  
  My guess is the affectations and behavior you describe is just a way of "putting oneself out there". It's a signal more than anything. I would guess many of these people do not display the same behavior in professional settings or around family.
• Heretic

  

  cats gone wild wrote: If a guy can look at Jessica Alba/Simpson/Beil and say "yuck, i would rather have a dude", then that person needs serious help.
  
  
  
  
  Its a choice btw.

  Seems like a contradictory statement. If someone looks at a hot woman and thinks, "yuck, i would rather have a dude", I'd guess they're wired a lot differently than I and many other people. And by "wired differently" I mean I'd guess their mental make-up gravitates that way. As in they're not like, "Hmm, I do believe I shall sample some penis today!", but instead have a subconscious gravitation towards members of their own sex. Which is a bit different than a "choice".
• cats gone wild

  gut wrote:

  cats gone wild wrote: A few things I wonder about is, why do gay guys act more girlie then a girl, and why do they talk with their hands and use their s's in a hiss?
  
  And women gay couples, why does one have short hair or look manly? If they are both gay, then why does a woman want a woman that looks like a guy?:

  I would guess many of these people do not display the same behavior in professional settings or around family.

  Go to a mall, lets say.....AE, Buckle and some woman's clothing stores where they work. They act overly gay at work too.
• mallymal614

  cats gone wild wrote: A few things I wonder about is, why do gay guys act more girlie then a girl, and why do they talk with their hands and use their s's in a hiss?
  
  And women gay couples, why does one have short hair or look manly? If they are both gay, then why does a woman want a woman that looks like a guy?:

  Funny you bring that up. I tell people that even though I don’t support the gay lifestyle, I will respect gays as people if it’s deserved. One problem I do have is when they act out some of the worse stereotypes of the opposite sex. As you mentioned, men acting extra girly with an attitude or women dressing like guys and portraying them in the worse way. Being gay is a person’s personal choice, but don’t do it in the worse way.
• GoChiefs

  

  dtdtim wrote: Let's rehash the situation.
  A. There are many gay people that would say it is not a choice they made and, being gay, are an expert on the situation and would know better than you because you are not gay.
  
  B. On the obesity topic you say you know more about the subject because you are.
  
  C. On this topic you refuse to believe the view point of a majority of gay people (who would be the experts making your alleged 'choice') because you disagree with it.
  
  D. You then proceed to say that it doesn't matter what they say your opinion will not change even though those that are actually gay have a differing opinion of their lifestyle than you do. You also proceed to say 'I don't care if you think it's hypocritical or not'.
  
  
  Chiefs, this is clearly an explanation. If you can't understand how this doesn't seem hypocritical I don't know what else you would like me to do to convey it to you.

  On the other thread..I'm not trying to change anyone's views or opinions. I'm just trying to educate some on facts of obesity for SOME of the obese people out there. I'm not speaking on behalf of every single obese person there is. I'm speaking from what I know and what other obese people I know say. Where as..on this thread..it's asking if you are born with it? Now..some gays say yes..you are born with it...while other gays say no..it's a choice. So why should I change my views on it when even the gay community itself can't even come to an agreement? I'm..for once..very open minded on this subject..if someone gave me facts or proof or some kind of documentation proving that this is indeed something you are born with. Then my views would change. But I'm not going to change my views just b/c a gay thinks you are born with it when another gay says differently. And I said I don't care if you think it's hypocritical or not..b/c..well..I don't. Again..you are entitled to your opinion just like everyone else is. That's why I made that comment. So no...I don't think I'm being hypocritical at all.
• BigAppleBuckeye

  

  Some of these answers just make me shake my head in disbelief.
  
  My cousin is gay, and I asked him this question once ... his answer? His choice was to be STRAIGHT; in fact, he tried dating multiple women in highschool, just trying to live a "normal" life.
  
  But he knew back in elementary school that he was born gay, and despite trying to "straighten" out, he ultimately came out of the closet a few years ago.
  
  I just don't understand how people think it's a choice. I am straight, I knew that when I got butterflies in my stomach when a cute girl smiled at me in elementary school, or when I pitched a tent when I opened up my first Playboy. Shouldn't this same reasoning apply to being gay as well?
• queencitybuckeye

  cats gone wild wrote: A few things I wonder about is, why do gay guys act more girlie then a girl, and why do they talk with their hands and use their s's in a hiss?
  
  And women gay couples, why does one have short hair or look manly? If they are both gay, then why does a woman want a woman that looks like a guy?:

  More than one of my gay friends would beat you senseless without working up a sweat, little fella.
• cats gone wild

  queencitybuckeye wrote:

  cats gone wild wrote: A few things I wonder about is, why do gay guys act more girlie then a girl, and why do they talk with their hands and use their s's in a hiss?
  
  And women gay couples, why does one have short hair or look manly? If they are both gay, then why does a woman want a woman that looks like a guy?:

  More than one of my gay friends would beat you senseless without working up a sweat, little fella.

  O.K.? Where did that come from? The first part of your name reminds me of.....oh wait, nevermind....Dont want to get another threat.:rolleyes:
• queencitybuckeye

  cats gone wild wrote: O.K.? Where did that come from? The first part of your name reminds me of.....oh wait, nevermind....Dont want to get another threat.:rolleyes:

  There was no threat, so go change your panties.
  
  My post was in response to your stereotype that all gay men are lisping swishes. I know many gay men who are the complete opposite, including some outstanding athletes.
  
  Sorry I scared you. :rolleyes:
• cats gone wild

  Sorry, took your post the wrong way. And I didnt say "all" of them, but I should of said "some" \
• unique_67

  Here is my question for anybody who believes it is a choice.
  
  When did you make the conscious decision to be attracted to members of the opposite sex, thus choosing to be "heterosexual" rather than "homosexual"? If it is a choice to be attracted to members of the same physical sex, then that means it's also a choice to be attracted to members of the opposite sex, yet I have NEVER had a person who is "heterosexual" be able to tell me when or why they made their "choice".
• DeyDurkie5

  

  cats gone wild wrote: Sorry, took your post the wrong way. And I didnt say "all" of them, but I should of said "some" \

  You're blinded by your faith....
• sleeper

  

  GoChiefs wrote:

  dtdtim wrote: Let's rehash the situation.
  A. There are many gay people that would say it is not a choice they made and, being gay, are an expert on the situation and would know better than you because you are not gay.
  
  B. On the obesity topic you say you know more about the subject because you are.
  
  C. On this topic you refuse to believe the view point of a majority of gay people (who would be the experts making your alleged 'choice') because you disagree with it.
  
  D. You then proceed to say that it doesn't matter what they say your opinion will not change even though those that are actually gay have a differing opinion of their lifestyle than you do. You also proceed to say 'I don't care if you think it's hypocritical or not'.
  
  
  Chiefs, this is clearly an explanation. If you can't understand how this doesn't seem hypocritical I don't know what else you would like me to do to convey it to you.

  On the other thread..I'm not trying to change anyone's views or opinions. I'm just trying to educate some on facts of obesity for SOME of the obese people out there. I'm not speaking on behalf of every single obese person there is. I'm speaking from what I know and what other obese people I know say. Where as..on this thread..it's asking if you are born with it? Now..some gays say yes..you are born with it...while other gays say no..it's a choice. So why should I change my views on it when even the gay community itself can't even come to an agreement? I'm..for once..very open minded on this subject..if someone gave me facts or proof or some kind of documentation proving that this is indeed something you are born with. Then my views would change. But I'm not going to change my views just b/c a gay thinks you are born with it when another gay says differently. And I said I don't care if you think it's hypocritical or not..b/c..well..I don't. Again..you are entitled to your opinion just like everyone else is. That's why I made that comment. So no...I don't think I'm being hypocritical at all.

  
  
  And yes, you are being a hypocrite.
• ICEMAN59

  

  Whoa, I meant to say it is NOT A CHOICE . . . . IT IS BIOLOGICAL.
• Upper90

  LOL, I actually kind of thought/assumed you meant that.