Alright phone nerds, I need assistance.
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Glory Days
I'll be using it just for basic use. No hotspot or full movies.sherm03;848355 wrote:The Bionic will be a big step up from the Charge. 4G speeds along with a dual core processor is going to make for a really nice phone.
What exactly are you doing on your phone? Are you doing a lot of video streaming (ala Netflix) and using your device as a mobile hotspot? IMO, those are really the only MAJOR advantages to the 4G speed. Basic web browsing/emailing/etc. on a phone is fine on 3G speeds. The difference pulling up a website like ESPN on the Droid 3 and the Charge is so minimal that it's hardly worth the extra money. But when you fire up a 4G hotspot...it's ridiculously faster than it's 3G counterpart. So it all depends on how you plan to use your phone and what features are more important to you. -
sherm03
Glory Days;848640 wrote:I'll be using it just for basic use. No hotspot or full movies.
Then 4G shouldn't be a huge deciding factor. But remember, you will be locked into this phone for 2 years. So while you might not care about those features/capabilities now...they may grow in importance to you and be vital within the next two years. -
karen lotz
sherm03;848652 wrote:Then 4G shouldn't be a huge deciding factor. But remember, you will be locked into this phone for 2 years. So while you might not care about those features/capabilities now...they may grow in importance to you and be vital within the next two years.
spoken like a true phone salesman
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Scarlet_Buckeye
I really don't understand why anyone would purchase a phone TODAY that is NOT 4G. #Dumb. -
Glory Days
sherm03;848652 wrote:Then 4G shouldn't be a huge deciding factor. But remember, you will be locked into this phone for 2 years. So while you might not care about those features/capabilities now...they may grow in importance to you and be vital within the next two years.
thats why i am leaning towards 4G, because of the 2 year contract, but i still wont be using those features. i dont watch movies on a computer, let alone a tiny phone. -
sherm03
Scarlet_Buckeye;848663 wrote:I really don't understand why anyone would purchase a phone TODAY that is NOT 4G. #Dumb.
Because some people really won't need 4G. Like I said, with the exception of streaming video and mobile hotspot, the difference between 3G on a dual core phone and 4G on a single core phone is very minimal for casual browsing. Some people live in markets that may not have 4G in the near future, and may not get it within the next two years. Verizon has said they will cover 2/3 of the population by 2012. And will have 4G expanded to cover their current 3G coverage area by the END of 2013. That's about two years away. So realistically, people could purchase a 4G phone today, and not have coverage for it until around the time their contract is up. So it's not really dumb. Some people don't need the advantages of 4G. -
sherm03
LOL. When you're in the industry for over 6 years, that stuff just rubs off on you.karen lotz;848658 wrote:spoken like a true phone salesman -
Scarlet_Buckeye
sherm03;848751 wrote:Because some people really won't need 4G. Like I said, with the exception of streaming video and mobile hotspot, the difference between 3G on a dual core phone and 4G on a single core phone is very minimal for casual browsing. Some people live in markets that may not have 4G in the near future, and may not get it within the next two years.
I've played with both (3G single core and 4G single core) and there's no question, 4G blows 3G out of the water. As for the "may not have 4G in their market" argument... 4G will be in ALL the major markets/cities within the next year. That's my bet. The technology is right around the corner. -
sherm03
Scarlet_Buckeye;848811 wrote:I've played with both (3G single core and 4G single core) and there's no question, 4G blows 3G out of the water. As for the "may not have 4G in their market" argument... 4G will be in ALL the major markets/cities within the next year. That's my bet. The technology is right around the corner.
Like I said, compare a 3G dual-core and a 4G single core (which is the only type available at Verizon right now), and the difference is minimal. Sure the numbers are off the charts on speed tests. But when you type in a web address and hit OK at the same time on both devices, the 4G loads slightly faster than the 3G. It's to the point where it is hardly noticeable.
Don't take this wrong, I agree that 4G is the wave of the future. I just think you have it a little too high on a pedestal right now. There are a lot of people who don't live in a 4G market right now. And everything I typed is from Verizon. They said they will have 4G to 2/3 of the population by the end of 2012, and over their entire 3G map by the end of 2013.
You're argument was you don't know why anyone would buy something other than a 4G phone TODAY. Well, not having 4G today, and possibly not having it until the end of 2013 is enough of a reason for people (in my opinion) to be hesitant about paying an extra $50-$100 on a 4G device. -
Scarlet_Buckeye
sherm03;848841 wrote:Like I said, compare a 3G dual-core and a 4G single core (which is the only type available at Verizon right now), and the difference is minimal. Sure the numbers are off the charts on speed tests. But when you type in a web address and hit OK at the same time on both devices, the 4G loads slightly faster than the 3G. It's to the point where it is hardly noticeable.
Don't take this wrong, I agree that 4G is the wave of the future. I just think you have it a little too high on a pedestal right now. There are a lot of people who don't live in a 4G market right now. And everything I typed is from Verizon. They said they will have 4G to 2/3 of the population by the end of 2012, and over their entire 3G map by the end of 2013.
You're argument was you don't know why anyone would buy something other than a 4G phone TODAY. Well, not having 4G today, and possibly not having it until the end of 2013 is enough of a reason for people (in my opinion) to be hesitant about paying an extra $50-$100 on a 4G device.
Freaking Toledo has 4G. If Toledo can have 4G, then cities like New York, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, Chicago, Columbus, ... basically all your major cities are going to have it. If you live in the rural areas, then you're probably not going to care about mobile phones anyhow. -
sherm03
Scarlet_Buckeye;848854 wrote:Freaking Toledo has 4G. If Toledo can have 4G, then cities like New York, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, Chicago, Columbus, ... basically all your major cities are going to have it. If you live in the rural areas, then you're probably not going to care about mobile phones anyhow.
Just because the city has it does not mean the surrounding areas also have it. There's a lot of people that live 30 minutes outside of Cincinnati. They do not have 4G right now. There is no guarantee that they will have it before the end of 2013. I understand what you are saying. But just because the major cities get 4G does not mean it is the right choice for every customer that walks inside of a cell phone store today.
Clearly 4G is the feature that drives your cell phone purchase. But for some people, they have to have that QWERTY keyboard. There are no 4G phones that offer that, so they would choose a 3G device. Some people are driven by price. They aren't worried about specs at all, and just want the best deal. They will buy a 3G device to save $50, $100, or $200 in some cases. Some people buy strictly on UI.
The bottom line, you can think that 4G is the only real reason to buy a phone. But people have so many reasons why they buy a phone, and to say people are dumb because they don't want, or won't benefit from, 4G is dumb. -
Scarlet_Buckeye
sherm03;848892 wrote:Just because the city has it does not mean the surrounding areas also have it. There's a lot of people that live 30 minutes outside of Cincinnati. They do not have 4G right now. There is no guarantee that they will have it before the end of 2013. I understand what you are saying. But just because the major cities get 4G does not mean it is the right choice for every customer that walks inside of a cell phone store today.
Clearly 4G is the feature that drives your cell phone purchase. But for some people, they have to have that QWERTY keyboard. There are no 4G phones that offer that, so they would choose a 3G device. Some people are driven by price. They aren't worried about specs at all, and just want the best deal. They will buy a 3G device to save $50, $100, or $200 in some cases. Some people buy strictly on UI.
The bottom line, you can think that 4G is the only real reason to buy a phone. But people have so many reasons why they buy a phone, and to say people are dumb because they don't want, or won't benefit from, 4G is dumb.
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Fab4Runner
Lol false. Just because you're from a small town doesn't mean you don't want/care about cell phones. I am from a town of 1800...almost everyone has one. Do they have 4G? No. Will they have it anytime soon? Probably not. So for them there are probably other features that are a lot more important.Scarlet_Buckeye;848854 wrote:Freaking Toledo has 4G. If Toledo can have 4G, then cities like New York, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, Chicago, Columbus, ... basically all your major cities are going to have it. If you live in the rural areas, then you're probably not going to care about mobile phones anyhow. -
imex99
Rumored leaked picture of iPhone 5
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dlazzGood thing they pixelated the hand, otherwise they could've tracked who leaked the phone.
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Scarlet_Buckeye
HUGE bombsell dropped by BGR today...
http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/15/exclusive-4g-lte-iphone-currently-in-carrier-testing/Apple iPhone with LTE in carrier testing.
This doesn't guarantee that the highly anticipated iPhone 5 will be 4G, but it certainly stirs the pot a bit. With the iPhone 5 being rumored to drop sometime between Sept 7th and Oct ??, one would have to believe that they would be testing their phone on major carriers right about now, and this bit of information could potentially be the answer to the question that so many people have been sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for.
While we can’t confirm that the upcoming fifth-generation iPhone will be able to support 4G LTE, we can now exclusively confirm that Apple’s carrier partners are testing iPhone models with LTE capability. BGR has obtained evidence of an internal iOS test build from one of Apple’s major carrier partners, and buried in the firmware is a property list (.plist file) for LTE. This doesn’t necessarily mean every Apple device that’s about to be released will feature an embedded 4G LTE modem, but it certainly means Apple isn’t sitting on the sidelines as 4G LTE networks continue to roll out around the world. -
OneBuckeye
This is a huge deal for Android and Apple IMO. There will be a lot of early adopters of android coming off of their 2 year verizon contract soon (me) and they will have to make a decision to go with the iphone (which wasn't available with verizon before) or keep android. I think this may be a factor in delaying the bionic and getting ice cream sandwich (android 4.0) on the bionic. -
Scarlet_Buckeye
OneBuckeye;862799 wrote:This is a huge deal for Android and Apple IMO. There will be a lot of early adopters of android coming off of their 2 year verizon contract soon (me) and they will have to make a decision to go with the iphone (which wasn't available with verizon before) or keep android. I think this may be a factor in delaying the bionic and getting ice cream sandwich (android 4.0) on the bionic.
What is the expected release date, again, for the Bionic? I've heard a lot of people (i.e., Sherm) toot the Bionic. -
dlazzSeptemberish
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karen lotz
Toot Toot!
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JawbreakerOneBuckeye;862799 wrote:This is a huge deal for Android and Apple IMO. There will be a lot of early adopters of android coming off of their 2 year verizon contract soon (me) and they will have to make a decision to go with the iphone (which wasn't available with verizon before) or keep android. I think this may be a factor in delaying the bionic and getting ice cream sandwich (android 4.0) on the bionic.
I don't see the Bionic having ICS on its release date. The next Nexus device will be the first to sport ICS. -
2kool4skool
I'm renewing my Verizon contract, and this will be my first smart phone(strong behind the times I know.)
My needs are pretty basic. In addition to the obvious texting/calling, I'll pretty much be using it just for e-mail and basic web browsing.
I'm between the DROID X2, and the DROID INCREDIBLE 2. Interested in hearing others' advice and/or experiences with both phones. They seem to be pretty similar to me, any big differences I should be aware of? -
sherm03
2kool4skool;863135 wrote:I'm renewing my Verizon contract, and this will be my first smart phone(strong behind the times I know.)
My needs are pretty basic. In addition to the obvious texting/calling, I'll pretty much be using it just for e-mail and basic web browsing.
I'm between the DROID X2, and the DROID INCREDIBLE 2. Interested in hearing others' advice and/or experiences with both phones. They seem to be pretty similar to me, any big differences I should be aware of?
X2 has a dual-core processor, while the Incredible 2 has a single core. What that means for the end user is basically improved battery life and faster web browsing on the X2.
The Incredible 2 has the Sense UI (which a lot of people prefer to the Motorola UI) and a front facing camera.
Depends on what is important to you, and which look appeals to you more. -
Scarlet_Buckeye
http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/17/verizon-wireless-4g-lte-service-now-available-to-more-than-half-of-u-s-population/VERIZON WIRELESS’ 4G LTE NETWORK AVAILABLE TO MORE THAN HALF THE U.S. POPULATION
On Thursday, Verizon Wireless Turns on 15 Additional 4G LTE Markets and Expands Its 4G LTE Network in 10 Cities
BASKING RIDGE, N.J. – Verizon Wireless is turning on the world’s most advanced wireless network in 15 additional cities and expanding its network in 10 cities on Aug. 18, bringing the blazingly fast speed of 4G LTE to more than 160 million Americans – more than half the U.S. population – in fewer than eight months. Consumers and businesses can choose from an array of 4G LTE-enabled smartphones, tablets, notebooks and netbooks, and hotspots to connect to the fastest 4G LTE network in the country, now available in 117 cities.
On Thursday, Verizon Wireless’ 4G LTE network will be available in Tucson, Ariz.; Fayetteville/Springdale/Rogers, Ark.; Bakersfield and Salinas/Monterey/Seaside, Calif.; Fort Collins, Colo.; Frederick, Md.; Worcester, Mass.; Omaha, Neb./Council Bluffs, Iowa; Albany, Ithaca and Syracuse, N.Y.; Altoona and Johnstown, Pa.; Memphis, Tenn.; and Provo, Utah. The company is also expanding its 4G LTE network on Thursday in Washington, D.C.; Tampa, Fla.; Atlanta, Ga.; Baltimore, Md.; Boston, Mass.; Lansing, Mich.; New York, N.Y.; Cincinnati and Columbus, Ohio; and Salt Lake City-Ogden, Utah.
“In eight short months we’ve introduced our 4G LTE network to more than half of the U.S. population, while continuing to offer the nation’s most reliable 3G network coast to coast,” said David Small, chief technical officer of Verizon Wireless. “This matters to millions of Americans because they can take advantage of faster 4G LTE speeds both at home and when they travel throughout the country – today and in many more markets to come this year. Each new market and expansion is significant as it brings us closer to delivering on the promise to bring our 4G LTE network to more than 185 million Americans by the end of 2011.”
4G LTE Devices
Consumers can choose from 10 devices to access the blazingly fast speeds of the 4G LTE network, including:
Smartphones: Revolution™ by LG, DROID Charge by Samsung and ThunderBolt™ by HTC
Tablets: Samsung Galaxy Tab™ 10.1 with 4G LTE
Notebooks and Netbooks: HP® Pavilion dm1-3010nr Entertainment PC and Compaq™ Mini CQ10-688nr with built-in 4G LTE
Hotspots: Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Mobile Hotspot MiFi™ 4510L and Samsung 4G LTE Mobile Hotspot SCH-LC11
Modems: Verizon Wireless 4G LTE USB Modem 551L and Pantech UML290 USB modem
In real-world, fully loaded network environments, 4G LTE users should experience average data rates of 5 to 12 megabits per second (Mbps) on the downlink and 2 to 5 Mbps on the uplink. For details on all 4G LTE devices visit www.verizonwireless.com/4GLTE.
When customers travel outside of a 4G LTE coverage area, the devices automatically connect to Verizon Wireless’ 3G network, enabling customers to stay connected from coast to coast. Verizon Wireless’ 3G network is the most reliable network in the country and allows customers in 3G coverage areas today who purchase 4G LTE devices to take advantage of 4G LTE speeds when the faster network becomes available in their areas.
Reliability: In and Beyond Major Cities
As the first wireless company in the world to broadly deploy game-changing 4G LTE technology, Verizon Wireless is committed to building its 4G LTE network with the same performance and reliability for which it has long been recognized. Verizon Wireless’ consistent focus on reliability is based on rigid engineering standards and a disciplined deployment approach year after year. The company’s 700 MHz spectrum gives Verizon Wireless specific advantages with 4G LTE, including a contiguous, nationwide network license.
Verizon Wireless’ vision also includes bringing its 4G LTE network beyond major cities. The company is working with rural communications companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G LTE network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless’ core 4G LTE equipment and premium 700 MHz spectrum. Already, 10 rural companies have announced their participation in the LTE in Rural America program and have leased spectrum covering, in total, more than 2.1 million people in rural communities and nearly 62,000 square miles. These companies include: Bluegrass Cellular, Cross Telephone, Pioneer Cellular, Cellcom, Thumb Cellular, Strata Networks, S&R Communications, Carolina West/Clear Stream, Custer Telephone Cooperative and Convergence Technologies.
This!
This is why I've been harping on 4G. This is why the new iPhone 5 needs to be 4G. Everyone was pissing & moaning about "Oh... well 4G technology isn't everyone" blah blah blah "Only marginal percentage of the population can even experience 4G" blah blah blah. That's all hogwash. The future is laid out in front of us, and it has been for quite awhile now. The future is 4G technology, and it's right around the corner. I don't know why people think it's 2-5 years away. It's not. It's here, and if it's not in your area, chances are it likely will be in less than a year.
The places that matter have it. The places where people who would probably be using their mobile devices for downloading, business, etc. are likely in 4G areas (i.e., New York City, LA, Chicago, ... your major cities). I've been a major support of my hometown, Toledo, but let's face it... Toledo is small. If Toledo is "big enough" to have 4G, then anyone out there who matters is (or has the ability to) experience 4G technology. These farm boys who can't receive 4G connections aren't using mobile devices!!!!!!
“This matters to millions of Americans because they can take advantage of faster 4G LTE speeds both at home and when they travel throughout the country – today and in many more markets to come this year. Each new market and expansion is significant as it brings us closer to delivering on the promise to bring our 4G LTE network to more than 185 million Americans by the end of 2011.” -
Jawbreaker
The rate VZW is expanding their 4g network has amazed me but it isn't the network that is holding back 4g adoption with customers, it is the devices. If you only have a device that lasts 6 hours on a charge running LTE, that doesn't give you a good user experience. Also, customers don't want to brick for a phone (huge batteries). They want something that is thin and light. In the current batch of SoC, it doesn't allow for good battery life and 4g connectivity at the same time. However, I am sure in short order it will improve.Scarlet_Buckeye;866206 wrote:http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/17/verizon-wireless-4g-lte-service-now-available-to-more-than-half-of-u-s-population/
This!
This is why I've been harping on 4G. This is why the new iPhone 5 needs to be 4G. Everyone was pissing & moaning about "Oh... well 4G technology isn't everyone" blah blah blah "Only marginal percentage of the population can even experience 4G" blah blah blah. That's all hogwash. The future is laid out in front of us, and it has been for quite awhile now. The future is 4G technology, and it's right around the corner. I don't know why people think it's 2-5 years away. It's not. It's here, and if it's not in your area, chances are it likely will be in less than a year.
The places that matter have it. The places where people who would probably be using their mobile devices for downloading, business, etc. are likely in 4G areas (i.e., New York City, LA, Chicago, ... your major cities). I've been a major support of my hometown, Toledo, but let's face it... Toledo is small. If Toledo is "big enough" to have 4G, then anyone out there who matters is (or has the ability to) experience 4G technology. These farm boys who can't receive 4G connections aren't using mobile devices!!!!!!
“This matters to millions of Americans because they can take advantage of faster 4G LTE speeds both at home and when they travel throughout the country – today and in many more markets to come this year. Each new market and expansion is significant as it brings us closer to delivering on the promise to bring our 4G LTE network to more than 185 million Americans by the end of 2011.”
It is nice to see even towns like Lima should have LTE by the end of the year.