Disgusted with Trump administration - Part I

• iclfan2

  

  sleeper;1853162 wrote:Glad to see the Fox News patrol is out defending Trump de-classifying information to the Russians.
  
  And yes the GOP is complicit. Look at the approval ratings; 80% of Republicans still stand by Trump. When's the last day we've gone without a scandal? GOP is complicit in their inaction.

  Not defending it jackass, just pointing out it isn't illegal or treason. People can still think Trump is better than HRC, and also think he is a moron at times. I know it's difficult for you to grasp that people can have independent opinions and not toe the company line at all times. What action should there be? It isn't impeachable for telling Russia that ISIS has figured out how to blow up laptops on an airplane. Was it stupid if he told them how we found out, especially with Russia's ties to Syria? Sure. Is Trump a dumbass? Sure. Is it impeachable or "treason"? No
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  The President can tell what he wants to who he wants technically. But, holy shit, this is dumb. Way to throw an ally, likely Jordan, under the bus.
  The whole go after the leakers is insane as at this point, the whole WH leaks. Some stories have 20-30 sources. So, what, lock them all up?
  This is how DC works. People talk to the press.
  
  I'll also add this was the Russian meeting where there was only Russian press and photos. No U.S. press or photos at all.
  
  
  
  Also, if this happened under Obama, holy shit, Quaker and others would be on here yelling for his impeachment.
• sleeper

  

  fish82;1853168 wrote:I'll ask again. How soon can we expect this story to be confirmed via sworn testimony? Easier still, how soon can we expect the story to be confirmed by subpoena of the meeting transcript? If the story is credible, we can assume that Adam Schiff will be in front of a camera somewhere today demanding it, no?
  
  I'm inclined to wait for that to happen before breaking out the torches/pitchforks. If you want to continue foaming at the kock holster over an unsubstantiated story from the crew who breathlessly reported that Russia hacked our electrical grid...knock yourself out.

  It took 50 years for the Watergate source "Deepthroat" to reveal himself. You don't need a PhD in journalism to understand that any credible media doesn't reveal sources and doesn't publish content that they can't verify with a credible source. I hope WaPo responds by releasing the transcript heavily redacted to remove security concerns.
  
  Keep defending Trump though!
• superman

  Just making sure I understand the liberals like ptown and sleeper here.
  
  When it comes to White House leaks, don't worry about the source of the leaks, worry about the content.
  When it comes to the DNC leaks, don't worry about the content, worry about the source of the leaks.
  
  Am I missing something?
• fish82

  

  sleeper;1853177 wrote:It took 50 years for the Watergate source "Deepthroat" to reveal himself. You don't need a PhD in journalism to understand that any credible media doesn't reveal sources and doesn't publish content that they can't verify with a credible source. I hope WaPo responds by releasing the transcript heavily redacted to remove security concerns.
  
  Keep defending Trump though!

  Keep derping.
• fish82

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1853176 wrote:The President can tell what he wants to who he wants technically. But, holy shit, this is dumb. Way to throw an ally, likely Jordan, under the bus.
  The whole go after the leakers is insane as at this point, the whole WH leaks. Some stories have 20-30 sources. So, what, lock them all up?
  This is how DC works. People talk to the press.
  
  I'll also add this was the Russian meeting where there was only Russian press and photos. No U.S. press or photos at all.
  
  
  
  Also, if this happened under Obama, holy shit, Quaker and others would be on here yelling for his impeachment.

  Just the guy we need...since sleeper apparently has no interest in answering the question...
  
  In your opinion, how quickly can Adam Schiff produce the meeting transcript, and settle the story's authenticity?
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  fish82;1853181 wrote:Just the guy we need...since sleeper apparently has no interest in answering the question...
  
  In your opinion, how quickly can Adam Schiff produce the meeting transcript, and settle the story's authenticity?

  Now for the transcript. But, that's not how it works.
  Even if Congress gets briefed on the subject with a transcript, any hearings or whatnot would be weeks or months away just due to scheduling and compelling people to testify.
  Also, the transcript would be classified, so any hearings would be behind closed door in order to get to the bottom of it.
• isadore

  fish82;1853165 wrote:Yeah, McMaster's credibility is for shit, amirite? :laugh:
  
  Looking forward to to the WaPo "sources" clearing this up during sworn testimony. Again, how soon can we expect that to happen?

  Gosh a ruddies, as of now the first part of your statement is correct. McMaster's credibility is shit.
  Donald throws another member of his administration under the bus.
• sleeper

  

  iclfan2;1853175 wrote:Not defending it jackass, just pointing out it isn't illegal or treason. People can still think Trump is better than HRC, and also think he is a moron at times. I know it's difficult for you to grasp that people can have independent opinions and not toe the company line at all times. What action should there be? It isn't impeachable for telling Russia that ISIS has figured out how to blow up laptops on an airplane. Was it stupid if he told them how we found out, especially with Russia's ties to Syria? Sure. Is Trump a dumbass? Sure. Is it impeachable or "treason"? No

  Sorry for thinking damaging the integrity of the United States and putting information that could harm us and our allies as being an impeachable offense.
  
  80% of Republicans still support Trump despite this. They own this disaster.
• isadore

  iclfan2;1853175 wrote:Not defending it jackass, just pointing out it isn't illegal or treason. People can still think Trump is better than HRC, and also think he is a moron at times. I know it's difficult for you to grasp that people can have independent opinions and not toe the company line at all times. What action should there be? It isn't impeachable for telling Russia that ISIS has figured out how to blow up laptops on an airplane. Was it stupid if he told them how we found out, especially with Russia's ties to Syria? Sure. Is Trump a dumbass? Sure. Is it impeachable or "treason"? No

  His actions are both of them. And people like you inflicted this pos on our nation.
• sleeper

  

  superman;1853179 wrote:Just making sure I understand the liberals like ptown and sleeper here.
  
  When it comes to White House leaks, don't worry about the source of the leaks, worry about the content.
  When it comes to the DNC leaks, don't worry about the content, worry about the source of the leaks.
  
  Am I missing something?

  DNC leaks were meant to undermine the election so yes we need to figure out if those leaks were colluded with the Trump campaign.
  
  The White House leaks are not good but because the content is so much more damaging than the leaks themselves they are justified. Flynn would still be the NSA without the leaks for example.
• sleeper

  

  fish82;1853180 wrote:Keep derping.

  Ah, so nothing.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  superman;1853179 wrote:Just making sure I understand the liberals like ptown and sleeper here.
  
  When it comes to White House leaks, don't worry about the source of the leaks, worry about the content.
  When it comes to the DNC leaks, don't worry about the content, worry about the source of the leaks.
  
  Am I missing something?

  One, I am not a liberal. Maybe, compared to some of the crazy yahoos on here I am.
  Two, those are completely different things.
  The DNC Hack was a foreign government, Russia, hacking a political party and using Wikileaks to post the information. The news out of the White House is your normal leaking that happens at every White House with people. Sure, the White House should tighten up their own ship, but it not outside the norm. We had White House people leaking under Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, etc.It's DC and this is the swamp. Trump wants to drain the swamp, seems like he should start with his own White House first. Again, some of these stories have 20-30 sources.
• sleeper

  

  Now Trump, in contradiction to McMaster is defending his right to share secrets with the Russians.
  
  And the GOP still supports and condones these actions.
• sleeper

  

  I'm also not a liberal either. I'm a moderate.
  
  If you believe that I am a liberal, check yourself because you are likely so far right that everyone seems left.
• like_that

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1853195 wrote:One, I am not a liberal. Maybe, compared to some of the crazy yahoos on here I am.
  Two, those are completely different things.
  The DNC Hack was a foreign government, Russia, hacking a political party and using Wikileaks to post the information. The news out of the White House is your normal leaking that happens at every White House with people. Sure, the White House should tighten up their own ship, but it not outside the norm. We had White House people leaking under Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, etc.It's DC and this is the swamp. Trump wants to drain the swamp, seems like he should start with his own White House first. Again, some of these stories have 20-30 sources.

  Depends how you define "liberal." You definitely are an apologist for the left, but overall I think you would be considered left moderate.
  

  sleeper;1853197 wrote:I'm also not a liberal either. I'm a moderate.
  
  If you believe that I am a liberal, check yourself because you are likely so far right that everyone seems left.

  Your act is full on bleed heart liberal. The real sleeper we have known for 5+ years is moderate.
• sleeper

  

  http://www.newsweek.com/us-officials-warned-israel-not-share-sensitive-intel-trump-609782
  

  U.S. intelligence officials reportedly warned their Israeli counterparts to exert caution in sharing top secret information with Donald Trump’s administration for fear of it being passed to Russia and then to Moscow’s ally and Israel’s arch-enemy, Iran.
  
  Discussions between U.S. and Israeli security services prior to Trump’s inauguration on January 20 gave rise to concerns that sensitive intelligence might exchange hands between him and the Russian government, Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth reported in January.

  How much longer is the GOP going to enable this President who is putting our national security at risk with his lack of credibility to allies?
  
  He needs to be removed before it gets worse. The blood is now on the GOP's hands.
• sleeper

  

  Your act is full on bleed heart liberal. The real sleeper we have known for 5+ years is moderate.

  There's no act. Grow up.
• like_that

  

  sleeper;1853200 wrote:There's no act. Grow up.

  I have already proven it numerous times with probably over 100 sleeper quotes. You should take your own advice, everyone sees thru the bullshit. Grow up.
• sleeper

  

  like_that;1853201 wrote:I have already proven it numerous times with probably over 100 sleeper quotes. You should take your own advice, everyone sees thru the bullshit. Grow up.

  I have already explained my position many times. Sorry you didn't read it.
  
  The reality is, I try to maintain objectivity and remain unbiased to any idea. The fact that adjusting my opinions to reality is seen as "an act" is really quite telling to the current political discourse. We should always be adjusting our position to align to reality instead of toeing the party line like a team sport.
  
  But anyways, please continue your personal crusade and distract from the main issues facing our country. Dare I say, "complicit".
• fish82

  

  sleeper;1853191 wrote:Ah, so nothing.

  Nothing about what? I responded to your "keep defending Trump" with an appropriate response.
  
  Were you waiting for something else?
• fish82

  

  sleeper;1853200 wrote:There's no act. Grow up.

  Well, not a good one anyway.
• iclfan2

  

  isadore;1853189 wrote:His actions are both of them. And people like you inflicted this pos on our nation.

  Putting up HRC as the dem candidate is how this was inflicted upon our nation. Thanks. And you clearly don't know what treason is or what laws are.
• sleeper

  

  fish82;1853203 wrote:Nothing about what? I responded to your "keep defending Trump" with an appropriate response.
  
  Were you waiting for something else?

  No response to Trump now contradicting McMaster's comments? McMaster "It didn't happen" and now Trump "I have a right to do so".
  
  Laughable that you will now try to defend both of them. Complicit.
• iclfan2

  

  sleeper;1853188 wrote:putting information that could harm us and our allies as being an impeachable offense.

  Such as? Telling Russia the city where ISIS is making laptop bombs does not harm us. It may hurt our allegiance with whatever group gathered that intel, and EVERYONE AGREES HE'S A FUCKING MORON IF HE DID, but it still isn't impeachable. Keep pretending conservatives condone actions that is obviously false.