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Disgusted with Trump administration - Part I

  • sleeper
    QuakerOats;1837558 wrote:Your the ones who say there is zero vote fraud ...........so now explain how the Russians hacked the election.


    What a SHAM.

    But if it makes you happy, keep running with it.
    We are merely asking for evidence of voter fraud, especially in the 3 million amount that Trump claims.

    Where is your evidence that 3 million people voted illegally? I'm okay with investigating this as the integrity of our election's is of upmost importance. I'm also concerned about Russia and we should investigate that as well.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1837563 wrote:I see. Glad to know national security and corruption is not on your 'care' list.

    I though I could please your knowing by expressing that I have no problem with an investigation taking place.
  • sleeper
    QuakerOats;1837556 wrote:He never said NATO was worthless .............he merely wants other NATO nations to shoulder their "fair share".

    And if they don't?
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1837565 wrote:... I'm okay with investigating this ...
    Me too.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1837567 wrote:And if they don't?
    We do the same thing we have in the past.
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1837570 wrote:We do the same thing we have in the past.
    Pull out and give Europe to Russia?
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1837572 wrote:Pull out and give Europe to Russia?
    Are you guessing??

    When did we do that in the past?
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1837573 wrote:Are you guessing??

    When did we do that in the past?
    That's what will happen or at least everyone in policy believe that to be the case. I'd welcome other opinions, as uninformed as they may be.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1837575 wrote:That's what will happen or at least everyone in policy believe that to be the case. I'd welcome other opinions, as uninformed as they may be.
    Thats what will happen if other NATO nations don't shoulder their "fair share"???

    That hasn't happened yet and other nations continue to not pay their designated amounts.
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1837577 wrote:Thats what will happen if other NATO nations don't shoulder their "fair share"???

    That hasn't happened yet and other nations continue to not pay their designated amounts.
    Why should they? The US has just as much stake in NATO as the other countries.

    The US already pays to control the world's shipping lanes by themselves; why should this be any different? This is what you get when you have the massive military that the US does; influence.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1837578 wrote:Why should they? The US has just as much stake in NATO as the other countries.

    The US already pays to control the world's shipping lanes by themselves; why should this be any different? This is what you get when you have the massive military that the US does; influence.
    ..because the agreed to. If they don't....we will do what we have in the past.
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1837580 wrote:..because the agreed to. If they don't....we will do what we have in the past.
    No, I'm cool with keeping NATO how it is. Does it really matter if Lithuania spend an extra $10k on military equipment? The US gets the biggest benefit out of NATO by far. It's mostly a US stability treaty for Europe.

    But go on; keep crying about Lithuania.
  • QuakerOats
    O-Trap;1837560 wrote:Still not a thing. ;)

    Glad someone noticed.
  • QuakerOats
    sleeper;1837565 wrote:We are merely asking for evidence of voter fraud, especially in the 3 million amount that Trump claims.

    Where is your evidence that 3 million people voted illegally? I'm okay with investigating this as the integrity of our election's is of upmost importance. I'm also concerned about Russia and we should investigate that as well.

    I already supplied it. About 2-3 million more illegal votes were cast for Clinton, than levers were pulled by Ruskies.

    Just accept reality, and move on.
  • sleeper
    QuakerOats;1837585 wrote:I already supplied it. About 2-3 million more illegal votes were cast for Clinton, than levers were pulled by Ruskies.

    Just accept reality, and move on.
    Where is the evidence?

    If there are 3 million illegal votes, we need to re-do the election.
  • Azubuike24
    Didn't Obama encourage illegal aliens to vote? And that he would look the other way on it?
  • ptown_trojans_1
    QuakerOats;1837585 wrote:I already supplied it. About 2-3 million more illegal votes were cast for Clinton, than levers were pulled by Ruskies.

    Just accept reality, and move on.
    Show me the proof from the states AG's and the actual election results. Show me actual official state sources that say 2-3 Million people voted illegally and for Clinton.
    Do not post from Fox, or any news source.

    Azubuike24;1837593 wrote:Didn't Obama encourage illegal aliens to vote? And that he would look the other way on it?
    Link?
  • sleeper
    ptown_trojans_1;1837594 wrote:Show me the proof from the states AG's and the actual election results. Show me actual official state sources that say 2-3 Million people voted illegally and for Clinton.
    Do not post from Fox, or any news source.




    Link?
    *Crickets*
  • Heretic
    Azubuike24;1837593 wrote:Didn't Obama encourage illegal aliens to vote? And that he would look the other way on it?
    Lol, no. Unless you're part of the CC/QQ club that considers what they want to believe to be true and what they don't want to believe to be fake.
  • Azubuike24
    Interesting take I heard today. Trump has built his personal businesses with high turnover. Meaning he hires and fires high level people just to change things up. Flynn is just the start. And that the people who are appointed by him, aren't prepared for the long haul. That he may just indeed run the government like a company, where you just randomly move people around, fire and hire people on a whim and basically run it like his personal organization. It would explain some of the stuff with Flynn, and that the leaks forced his hand earlier than he wanted, but had no intention on keeping this guy that long anyway. After all, Flynn is a liberal backstabber who really doesn't have many fans it seems.
  • Azubuike24
    Heretic;1837596 wrote:Lol, no. Unless you're part of the CC/QQ club that considers what they want to believe to be true and what they don't want to believe to be fake.
    That's fair, I haven't seen any clear sources. However, that could be said about a lot of things.
  • Heretic
    Azubuike24;1837598 wrote:Interesting take I heard today. Trump has built his personal businesses with high turnover. Meaning he hires and fires high level people just to change things up. Flynn is just the start. And that the people who are appointed by him, aren't prepared for the long haul. That he may just indeed run the government like a company, where you just randomly move people around, fire and hire people on a whim and basically run it like his personal organization. It would explain some of the stuff with Flynn, and that the leaks forced his hand earlier than he wanted, but had no intention on keeping this guy that long anyway. After all, Flynn is a liberal backstabber who really doesn't have many fans it seems.
    Well, that plays into the "complete idiot with no idea what he's really trying to do" narrative going around.
  • sleeper
    Anyone watch his press conference today? Simply embarrassing.

    [video=youtube;QnrqzCkkKKA][/video]

    Some highlights:
    Reporter: "How can the American people trust you when you say anything negative about you and you just provided false information. President Obama had more --
    Trump:"I was talking about Republican electoral vote!"
    Reporter:"Ok, well Bush had more electoral votes."
    Trump:" I was just given this information. I have just seen this."
    "[Flynn] was just doing his job, and I didn't ask him to call Russia, but I should have, but I didn't. He just knew it was his job to talk to people from other countries.""I don't know Sally Yates."
    "I've watched various programs...Dr. Charles Krauthammer last night, he was talking about how all these leaks were unfair to me."
    "Fox & Friends in the morning... they're very honorable people. Most honest morning show."
    "If I'd done everything perfectly with the immigration ban, then all the killers would've come in, so we had to do it fast."
    "I don't even watch [CNN] anymore, no one does" [5 Minutes Pass] "I mean, I watch your show all the time, but your tone, it's just so hateful."
    "I don't speak to people from Russia. I haven't spoken to anyone for years. I have nothing to do with them."
    "Manafort denies it, so you'd have to ask him. But he's a good man. They all are. The media are so unfair. So unfair."
    Absolute joke. I've never been more embarrassed to be an American.
  • Azubuike24
    Heretic;1837600 wrote:Well, that plays into the "complete idiot with no idea what he's really trying to do" narrative going around.
    Does it? That's an opinion, at best. I'm not a politician, but it doesn't seem logical to go the other way and keep morons around who are only there because they have given you money, done you favors or will only do exactly what they are told. If you fuck up (or the boss just wants a change of culture or feel), you're gone.
  • Azubuike24
    ...and I do agree with you, if Trump doesn't become more transparent and give details on what he plans to ACTUALLY do, over a year, 4 years, 8 years, etc...he's going to slowly keep losing faith. If he doesn't shift away from "rah rah" rhetoric to real content, he's going to keep losing favor. The biggest complaint from the portion of the left with open minds is that they aren't really clear what they are giving a chance.